Incorrect Sam image on main page - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

10-25-2002, 11:27 AM

The image of 'Sam' by Micahel Kaluta on the main page is actually Merry.

Image from Rolozo

The actual title is 'Meriadoc The Magnificent and The Children of Samwise Hamfast'

FYI. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Elenna · 10-25-2002, 12:53 PM

Ah - I see what you mean! He has the shield of Rohan. Good call!

***The Barrow-Wight*** · 10-25-2002, 12:55 PM

At least its a relative of his. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] And Sam did have lots of kids, so unless you know the title of the picture, it can substitute for Sam well enough. Thanks for pointing the error out, but I think I'll keep it like it is. I couldn't find a lot of pictures of Sam without Frodo, so this one will continue to represent him for the time being.

dragoneyes · 10-25-2002, 12:55 PM

He's also very big (compared to the young 'uns) unless that's just me.

Arwen Imladris · 10-25-2002, 01:52 PM

no, its not just you, I see it too. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] then again, maybe we are just both cracked! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Maikadilwen · 10-25-2002, 02:03 PM

I just find that picture plain scary.
But maybe that's just me... [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Still, it's not very nice of you to scare me like that, BW. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

[ October 25, 2002: Message edited by: Maikadilwen ]

Elenna · 10-25-2002, 04:13 PM

Oh, no, Maika. It scared me too. It looks like Sam/Merry is going to EAT those little kids.

mark12_30 · 10-25-2002, 04:18 PM

The kids do look like the next meal. And why are they wearing blue jeans?

Judge Simon · 10-25-2002, 04:22 PM

I'm pretty scary myself, and it terrified me [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

**Going on a massive internet search for non-scary Sam pics**

Who wants to come with me?
[img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

Elenna · 10-25-2002, 04:26 PM

But, Judge Simon, as the BW said, it's hard to find Sam pictures without Frodo in them too. If you can find any, send the BW the link so we can hopefully get rid of the cannibal picture.

Judge Simon · 10-25-2002, 06:47 PM

that is why it will be a massive search! [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

Off to Dogpile!

CHARGE! [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img]

***The Barrow-Wight*** · 10-25-2002, 07:51 PM

It takes me months to change the theme, so imagine how long it may take if someone discovers new Sam pics to add to the scene. It could be wasted effort :/

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 10-25-2002, 08:14 PM

That picture looks more like Puck to me. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Gandalf_theGrey · 10-26-2002, 12:29 AM

Hullo dragoneyes and Arwen Imladris:

There's a logical explanation for Merry's larger size actually, but it makes one wonder how much of that Ent draught he actually drank originally, and whether he's got any more of that potion stashed away somewhere. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

On another note, I actually had no idea that this large guy was supposed to be either Sam or Merry ... I thought it was some modern art representation of one of the Big Folk's children playing with Hobbit dolls or something. At least now the mystery is solved, so all's well as end's better. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Gandalf the Grey

Maikadilwen · 10-26-2002, 05:51 AM

Hmm, I guess we'll just stay scared, then...

I label all horror movies "comedy" (I truly adore Pinhead, but dang he cracks me up), and then I get scared over Sam/Merry?
It's the end of the world as we know it! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Judge Simon I like the last line in your sig. It's cute.

[ October 26, 2002: Message edited by: Maikadilwen ]

Bêthberry · 10-27-2002, 10:00 PM

I think Barrow Wight is on to something here.

Quote:

I couldn't find a lot of pictures of Sam without Frodo, so this one will continue to represent him for the time being.

Despite the vast assortment of Tolkien art, there are certainly people, things, and places that remain vastly under-represented.

After spending some time searching the Rolozo, Edoras, and Luthien galleries, I couldn't find a picture of Sam as the Ringbearer--certainly a signficant point, nor of Sam discarding his pans. Nor of Sam and Rosie. Probably even more surprising is that I couldn't find a picture of Sam planting the saplings with the dust of Galadriel's gift nor of him planting the silver nut in the Party Field. Surely this action would be important enough to deserve a painting.

Anyone up for analyzing the artwork for its omissions, inclusions, and repetitions? I wonder if that would tell us anything about Tolkien or just about the artists. For instance, do Tolkien's evocative descriptions inspire the artwork or does the plot?

Certainly given the dearth of Sam pictures which BW has uncovered, it would appear that no artist has picked up on that important point from Letter 93 which is quoted in the theme, that Sam is "the most closely drawn character, the successor to Bilbo ... the genuine hobbit."

Bethberry

[ October 28, 2002: Message edited by: Bethberry ]

Gayahithwen · 10-29-2002, 03:17 PM

ahh.. yes, Merry drank entdraught. that's why he's so big.. Lol, that picture scared me to..

Personally I think it maybe could be a good idea to let people know in advance what next theme would be and ask them to produce fan art. After all, there are people good at painting out there and if there is a topic with no good pictures of, why not have a mini-competition or something and let people send in their fan art. I think that for many people just their names showing up on the first page of the BarrowDowns should be enough of a reward. Hhhmm.. you don't have to mind me or my post. I really isn't any kind of authority on the subject. :Þ

10-25-2002, 11:27 AM	#1
White Gold Wielder Guest Posts: n/a	Incorrect Sam image on main page The image of 'Sam' by Micahel Kaluta on the main page is actually Merry. Image from Rolozo The actual title is 'Meriadoc The Magnificent and The Children of Samwise Hamfast' FYI. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

10-25-2002, 12:53 PM	#2
Elenna A Ghostly Light Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: My private bubble of innocence Posts: 563	Ah - I see what you mean! He has the shield of Rohan. Good call! __________________ If a kid asks where rain comes from, I think a cute thing to tell him is "God is crying." And if he asks why God is crying, another cute thing to tell him is "Probably because of something you did."

10-25-2002, 12:55 PM	#3
*The Barrow-Wight* Night In Wight Satin Join Date: May 2000 Posts: 4,043	At least its a relative of his. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] And Sam did have lots of kids, so unless you know the title of the picture, it can substitute for Sam well enough. Thanks for pointing the error out, but I think I'll keep it like it is. I couldn't find a lot of pictures of Sam without Frodo, so this one will continue to represent him for the time being. __________________ The Barrow-Wight

10-25-2002, 12:55 PM	#4
dragoneyes Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Completely lost track, sorry! Posts: 733	He's also very big (compared to the young 'uns) unless that's just me. __________________ "We might succeed in roasting Pippin alive inside." - Frodo.

10-25-2002, 01:52 PM	#5
Arwen Imladris Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a box with a fox Posts: 1,347	no, its not just you, I see it too. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] then again, maybe we are just both cracked! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ "Wake up! Wake up! Wake up, sleepies, we must go, yes, we must go at once."

10-25-2002, 02:03 PM	#6
Maikadilwen Summoner of Lost Souls Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: At home, with my Strongbow Posts: 521	I just find that picture plain scary. But maybe that's just me... [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] Still, it's not very nice of you to scare me like that, BW. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] [ October 25, 2002: Message edited by: Maikadilwen ] __________________ -"Death borders upon our birth, and our cradle stands in the grave. Our birth is nothing but our death begun."

10-25-2002, 04:13 PM	#7
Elenna A Ghostly Light Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: My private bubble of innocence Posts: 563	Oh, no, Maika. It scared me too. It looks like Sam/Merry is going to EAT those little kids. __________________ If a kid asks where rain comes from, I think a cute thing to tell him is "God is crying." And if he asks why God is crying, another cute thing to tell him is "Probably because of something you did."

10-25-2002, 04:18 PM	#8
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	The kids do look like the next meal. And why are they wearing blue jeans? __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

10-25-2002, 04:22 PM	#9
Judge Simon Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London Posts: 161	I'm pretty scary myself, and it terrified me [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] Going on a massive internet search for non-scary Sam pics Who wants to come with me? [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] __________________ Whose cruel idea was it for the word "lisp" to have an "s" in it? ~()~ A Real Freestyler ~()~ My heart and soul belong to Thengise Greenleaf of Mirkwood.

10-25-2002, 04:26 PM	#10
Elenna A Ghostly Light Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: My private bubble of innocence Posts: 563	But, Judge Simon, as the BW said, it's hard to find Sam pictures without Frodo in them too. If you can find any, send the BW the link so we can hopefully get rid of the cannibal picture. __________________ If a kid asks where rain comes from, I think a cute thing to tell him is "God is crying." And if he asks why God is crying, another cute thing to tell him is "Probably because of something you did."

10-25-2002, 06:47 PM	#11
Judge Simon Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London Posts: 161	that is why it will be a massive search! [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] Off to Dogpile! CHARGE! [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img] __________________ Whose cruel idea was it for the word "lisp" to have an "s" in it? ~()~ A Real Freestyler ~()~ My heart and soul belong to Thengise Greenleaf of Mirkwood.

10-25-2002, 07:51 PM	#12
*The Barrow-Wight* Night In Wight Satin Join Date: May 2000 Posts: 4,043	It takes me months to change the theme, so imagine how long it may take if someone discovers new Sam pics to add to the scene. It could be wasted effort :/ __________________ The Barrow-Wight

10-25-2002, 08:14 PM	#13
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,177	That picture looks more like Puck to me. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

10-26-2002, 12:29 AM	#14
Gandalf_theGrey Visionary Spirit Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 633	Hullo dragoneyes and Arwen Imladris: There's a logical explanation for Merry's larger size actually, but it makes one wonder how much of that Ent draught he actually drank originally, and whether he's got any more of that potion stashed away somewhere. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] On another note, I actually had no idea that this large guy was supposed to be either Sam or Merry ... I thought it was some modern art representation of one of the Big Folk's children playing with Hobbit dolls or something. At least now the mystery is solved, so all's well as end's better. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Gandalf the Grey

10-26-2002, 05:51 AM	#15
Maikadilwen Summoner of Lost Souls Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: At home, with my Strongbow Posts: 521	Hmm, I guess we'll just stay scared, then... I label all horror movies "comedy" (I truly adore Pinhead, but dang he cracks me up), and then I get scared over Sam/Merry? It's the end of the world as we know it! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] Judge Simon I like the last line in your sig. It's cute. [ October 26, 2002: Message edited by: Maikadilwen ] __________________ -"Death borders upon our birth, and our cradle stands in the grave. Our birth is nothing but our death begun."

10-29-2002, 03:17 PM	#17
Gayahithwen Wight Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The chat-room. Posts: 241	ahh.. yes, Merry drank entdraught. that's why he's so big.. Lol, that picture scared me to.. Personally I think it maybe could be a good idea to let people know in advance what next theme would be and ask them to produce fan art. After all, there are people good at painting out there and if there is a topic with no good pictures of, why not have a mini-competition or something and let people send in their fan art. I think that for many people just their names showing up on the first page of the BarrowDowns should be enough of a reward. Hhhmm.. you don't have to mind me or my post. I really isn't any kind of authority on the subject. :Þ __________________ Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he'll be a mile away - and barefoot.