Spoilers already...can you believe it?

[Meela]

Could someone possibly post a direct link to the pictures or somehow get them to me? the link is also available from onering.net, and is a direct link, but it doesnt work either.

[Arwen Imladris]

<A HREF="http://lordoftherings.net/index_features_rotk.html" TARGET=_blank>Try this!</A><P>If that doesn't work, I don't think I can get a direct link, the pics don't have an adress all to their own. Try going to <A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/" TARGET=_blank>theonering.net</A> and scroll down to May 16, it is the secomd one down. Hope that helps, they are really cool pics!

[Lalaith]

Hmmm...I'm not impressed by some of those picture captions. I mean, what's this?<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Arwen (Liv Tyler) reluctantly agrees to join the Elves in their departure from Middle-earth <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>

[Meela]

I still can't get to the pictures, and its really bugging me. Can anyone email me a file of the pics or something? I <B>really</B> want to see them.

[Arwen Imladris]

<A HREF="http://lordoftherings.net/legend/gallery/images/rotk/image0.jpg" TARGET=_blank>Try This?</A><P>I will PM you too, so check your PM's.

[Meela]

OMG!!! *huggles ever so madly* it works! all i have to do is change the number in the address and i can get them all! its just 25, right? so i just go up to typing image 25 or whatever and it should work...

[Eruwen]

Wow, those pictures are AMAZING!! I love the one with Sam holding the light. What is with that anyway? But still, thanks for the link. They were great.

[Meela]

its the phial of Galadriel, and I spose Frodo is injured and Sam has taken it. I could be wrong.

[Arwen Imladris]

More spoilers, these snippets were gleamed from the Official LOTR Magazine's latest issue! What's in..what's out who will we see in the TTT: Extended Edition?! And what real life spider is Shelob based on?! Take a look! Either click <A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/2/1053622751" TARGET=_blank>here.</A> or highlight below.<P>The two major changes in RotK are addition of TTT material and cutting of Scouring:<P>- Isengard sequence/VOS is at the beginning of RotK.<P>- Minas Morgul, stairs of Cirith Ungol and Shelob's lair also in RotK<P>- "We don't have the Scouring of the Shire." (In case anyone was holding out hope ... )<P>- At this point, no Ghan-Buri-Ghan. Doubts this will be added in pickups.<P>- Otherwise it follows the book "reasonably well."<P>Other stuff:<P>- Shelob will be "the creepiest and scariest of creatures." Based on the Tunnel Web spider of New Zealand. Photo above<P>- Mumakil and Nazgul will have center-stage appearances - more spectacular.<P>- Post-production should be completed and film "delivered" end of October, early November.<P>- Also of interest: "We only meet one new character, which is Denethor - and he's only new to those who don't check out The Two Towers extended cut in November!" Sounds like a comfirmation of the Faramir / Boromir / Denethor flashback. <P>He he he!

[Meela]

Oh God YEEEESSSSS!! Early Denethor!!!<P>And Ghan-Buri-Ghan is on the Imdb cast list... how come if he's struck out?

[Eruwen]

You know, I never thought I would hear myself saying this, but, THANK YOU ARWEN!! No, really, thank you so much. I love spoilers and it is now making me soo excited about seeing the movie. And eewww, freaky spider to make Shelob after. I can now see how she is going to be the most feared and horrible Villain in this movie. Wow, look at those fangs! {Yeah, I noticed that, Saucepan. I just didn't feel like changing and hoped that no one else would notice. }<P> <p>[ May 23, 2003: Message edited by: Eruwen ]

[Meela]

*screams and runs away*<P>Any chance of hiding that... I'm an arachnophobic

[Rose Cotton]

That spider is exellent for Shelob. Sam is going to have his work cut out for him fighting a spider like that.<P>If PJ can pull off Shelob and Choices for Master Samwise that would make the movie for me.

[balrogman]

i cant wait till december! its only 208 days...dammit thats too long!

[The Saucepan Man]

Shelob just has to be done well. She is possibly one of the most eagerly anticipated aspects of the film as far as I am concerned (and I'm arachnophobic too ). As I have said elsewhere, I am glad that she wasn't in TTT, because I see her as providing a tremendous curtain-raiser for RotK. Basing her on a funnel-web or a tarantula sounds good, although I expect her to be quite a bit more gruesome than the real thing.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Wow, look at those eyes! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Those ain't eyes. They be fangs! <P>Like Meela, I had heard that Ghan-Buri-Gahn was mentioned in the cast list, so I had expected to see him. It'll be a shame if the Druadan aren't in, but I suppose that they are one of the elements in the story that can be fairly easily dropped. <P>And Denethor in the TTT extended edition? I wonder how they will work him in. Perhaps a flashback for Faramir ...?

[elven maiden Earwen]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Also of interest: "We only meet one new character, which is Denethor - and he's only new to those who don't check out The Two Towers extended cut in November!" Sounds like a comfirmation of the Faramir / Boromir / Denethor flashback. <BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P><BR>What!?!?!?!?!?!?! O My God that is so unfair. Damit. That means no Bregond, Ghan-Buri-Gahn, Imrahil, twins, Cirdian,Halbarad...ect. No. Those were some of my favorite charecters.

[Gorwingel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Otherwise it follows the book "reasonably well."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well that's a good sign, or to me it is, even with some of the missing charaters. As long as ROTK follows the book more closely than TTT I will be pleased.

[Meela]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> quote:<BR>Also of interest: "We only meet one new character, which is Denethor - and he's only new to those who don't check out The Two Towers extended cut in November!" Sounds like a comfirmation of the Faramir / Boromir / Denethor flashback. <P>What!?!?!?!?!?!?! O My God that is so unfair. Damit. That means no Bregond, Ghan-Buri-Gahn, Imrahil, twins, Cirdian,Halbarad...ect. No. Those were some of my favorite charecters.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>*shakes her head*<BR>The correct answer is YESSSS!!! Denethor!!

[Meela]

*giggles insanely*

[HCIsland]

Regarding Beregond and Ghan-Buri-Ghan:<P>We seem to have some conflicts.<P><A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/1/1048189316" TARGET=_blank>Beregond</A><P>There is also <A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/movie/cast.html" TARGET=_blank>this cast list.</A> Scroll to the bottom, though the link to the actor doesn't work.<P>I also swear I can remember someone at OneRing describing the shooting of the funeral pyre scene and had lines for Beregond, though I can't find that now.<P>Editted to add: <A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/2/1052767382" TARGET=_blank>Found It</A> though it's a little dubious.<P>H.C.<p>[ May 23, 2003: Message edited by: HCIsland ]

[HCIsland]

Wonderful, high-res pics.<P><A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/group/797" TARGET=_blank>Enjoy</A><P>I'm not sure how spoilerific they are though there is a shot of Aragorn at Eowyn's bedside and some great shots of Merry and Pippin in their respective armour.<P>H.C.<p>[ May 24, 2003: Message edited by: HCIsland ]

[Gorwingel]

I just looked at the high resolution pictures, they are very beautiful. Pippin in the armor of Gondor and Merry in the armor of Rohan! Can I just say amazing! All the details, especially the one of Aragorn and Andúril (but we still don't know how he gets it ).<BR>Everyone who doesn't care, take a look, they are amazing. Additionally they make great wallpapers for your computer (just changed mine)

[Eruwen]

I love the one of Frodo entering Shelob's lair. I can just imagine...the heart-wrenching music in the background telling you something is about to happen...you hold onto the edge of your seat clutching the armrests tighly as Shelob is shown for the first time. Oh, I cannot wait! This is too much...oh, the agony! Thank you, HC!

[The Saucepan Man]

Thanks for the pictures, HC. I love the shots of Merry and Pippin. <P>One point, though:<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Faramir At The Pelennor <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Shurely shome mistake?

[HCIsland]

He is attacked on Pellenor Fields before the actual battle.<P>H.C.

[The Saucepan Man]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> He is attacked on Pellenor Fields before the actual battle. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>True. But the words "At The Pelennor" suggested to me the Battle of Pelennor Fields. Then again, perhaps I should not read too much into the choice of words made by the people writing the captions for these pics ...

[HCIsland]

<A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/view/6709" TARGET=_blank>The Crossroads</A><P>H.C.

[Meela]

What are the crossroads and where do they feature?

[HCIsland]

It should be very early in the movie. There's a road that runs east-west from Osgiliath to Minas Morgul and another that runs north-south through Ithilien (check the map). The crossroads are - well - at the crossroads. Their's a ruined and defaced statue of a Gondorian King there that Tolkien does a very effective job of painting with his words. It's pure atmosphere and not directly plot related, but it's nice to see it.<P>H.C.

[Brinniel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> We only meet one new character, which is Denethor <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>When they say "one new character," they probably mean one new major character. It's almost impossible to not introduce any new characters at all. So, Beregond and Ghan-Buri-Ghan may still be in ROTK, but they probably won't have very many lines.

[HCIsland]

I have to agree. What about the Mouth of Sauron, the orcs that capture Frodo? These guys have to have some lines. There's no way Denethor is the only new character. He's just the only new major character which, for those that have read the book, is not a spoiler at all.<P>H.C.

[balrogman]

those are some sweet pics HC! thanks! i guess theyre pullin the whole gollum thing with shelob, wont show what it looks like until the movie is out...

[HCIsland]

Yup, they have to have one thing that they work hard to keep wrapped up.<P>With Fellowship it was the Balrog. With Two Towers it was Gollum. With RotK it's looking like Shelob. Considering how well the previous two came across, I'm taking this as a good sign.<P>H.C.

[Finwe]

Shelob, The Battle of Pelennor Fields, and the Battle before Barad-dur are the three things that I'm most looking forward to in Return of the King. I also can't wait for the climax, when Gollum bites off Frodo's finger.

[Rose Cotton]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I also can't wait for the climax, when Gollum bites off Frodo's finger. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I've been imagining that part in my head for so long. I hope they keep this part true to the book. It's just such an signifigant part that I hope it is left the way it was ment to be.<P>I wonder if we will see any pictures of Frodo and Sam in Mordor before the movie comes out.

[Finwe]

Aren't there a couple on the official Lord of the Rings website? I remember seeing at least one. Or perhaps that was the one of them in Minas Morgul or Cirith Ungol (the caption was slightly ambiguous).

[balrogman]

yeah, most of the sam and frodo ones ar in cirith ungol and 1 or 2 are in minas morgul....

[Aratlithiel]

HERE THERE BE SPOILERS!!<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>Q uestions that need answers!<P>OK - I've dealt with the changes from the book in the movies so far and have learned to live with them...although I do reserve the right to occassionally grumble over the loss of Frodo's backbone. Another subject - ANYWAY...<P>SO - the one scene in all of book that is most dear to my heart is Sam's confrontation with Shelob ('Now come, you filth!' Ooh - shivers) and his later rescue of Frodo in the Tower. I've spent admittedly WAY too much time going over the pictures available and studying them to try and assure myself that this scene will be faithful to the book and I am now truly worried. Please follow my train of thought here and assure me that I am, indeed wrong!!<P>1. If you look at this photo (bottom of page), Frodo has Sting in his hand and is still wearing his waistcoat and very obviously in Shelob's lair.<P><A HREF="http://www.kojiroabe.com/rotk/rotk01.html" TARGET=_blank>Frodo w/Phial</A><P>2. This photo shows Frodo without Sting (sheath is empty), his waistcoat or the Phial but covered in webs - however he still has the Ring (you can see the chain around his neck in the second link).<P><A HREF="http://www.warofthering.net/photos/return/imagepages/image14.htm" TARGET=_blank>Frodo Full-length</A><P><A HREF="http://www.warofthering.net/photos/return/imagepages/image14.htm" TARGET=_blank>Frodo Close-up</A><P>Now - this one that Gorwingel posted shows Frodo, no waistcoat, no Phial, presumably alone in a cave that I'm worried is NOT Shelob's lair.<P>(Sorry - I lost this link...you'll have to take my word for it.)<P>OK, here's where my nagging suspicions come in: If Frodo is wearing his waistcoat when the confrontation begins, when do you suppose he had time to remove it? Also, how does he still have the Ring around his neck AFTER he's covered in webs and awake? Book people know that Frodo is stung, appears to be dead, covered in webs, then Sam's scene and then Sam taking the Ring - so the entire time Frodo is covered in webs he should be unconscious and when he regains consciousness, he should be bereft of clothes and Ring and laying in the Tower. How can Frodo be covered in webs and AWAKE and still have the Ring? <P>Am I making sense?<P>This is leading me to believe that the fabulously written Shelob scene will be hacked unmercifully and that Frodo will not be stung or taken to the Tower by the orcs at all.<P>Can someone please, PLEASE lay my fears to rest?

[Aratlithiel]

ALTHOUGH -<P>I just found this <A HREF="http://www.quintessentialwebsites.com/lordoftherings/movieshots_rotk/adisplay_offl_rotkcards_withouttext.htm" TARGET=_blank>Quintissential</A><BR> <BR>Go about 3/4 of the way down the page - One of the captions says it's in Ithilien. Maybe these 'Shelob's Lair' pics aren't of that scene at all...?<P>Ack! I can't stand it!!

[HCIsland]

Sorry Aratlithiel, I'm not following.<P>Chain of events: Frodo enters with sting, Ring, waistcoat (I'm assuming you're meaning the mithril vest) and vial. After hacking through webs for a bit he passes sting and the vial to Sam (shot of Frodo covered in webs without these items). Frodo still has the Ring at this point. Frodo is attacked by Shelob and poisoned. Sam fights off Shelob and goes to Frodo thinking he's dead. Sam takes the Ring and the Orcs take Frodo. Frodo loses the vest to the Orcs.<P>This is how it happens in the book and I don't see how the pictures are contradicting that. Seeing that one picture you are talking about might help my confusion.<P>Editted to add: Oops, now I see what you meant by waistcoat. You meant waistcoat . Two explanations: One, hacking through webs is tiring work and Frodo removes the waist coat before proceeding or two, the shot of Frodo with the phial is a publicity shot and not from the film.<P>H.C.<p>[ May 29, 2003: Message edited by: HCIsland ]