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dancing spawn of ungoliant · 06-24-2003, 09:38 AM

i don't know if this is in right section (sorry if it's not!) but i would very much appreciate your help to my problem. here are two songs heard in the movie, A Elbereth Gilthoniel and 2nd part of Namárie.A Elbereth Gilthoniel(sindarin): A Bereth thar-Ennui Aeair! A Galad ven i reniar hi 'aladhremmin ennorath. A Elbereth Gilthoniel ithil nâ thûl, ithil lîn hen...Namárie(quenya): Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!<A HREF="http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/movie_soundtrack_fotr.htm" TARGET=_blank>here</A> are both songs translated in english but there aren't word-by-word analyses of them...so...if you guys are better in these things and you could do that kind of analyse for me? pretty please! i have tried myself but all i got was: galad=light i=the et=forth,out eä r=sea endor=middle-earth utúlien-- utúlie=has come+ -n=i,meso...help wanted!

Legolas · 06-24-2003, 10:34 AM

Words in paranetheses are either implied or words that I'm not sure about, where possibilities are listed. I have done a very literal translation of the first. The second is much easier because it's actually from the books - it's from Aragorn's coronation, and the words Elendil spoke as he set foot on the shore of Middle-earth.A Bereth thar-Ennui Aeair! (Oh Queen across-(middle/separating) Ocean (of old)!) A Galad ven i reniar (Oh Radiant (to wanderers?/as the days of old?)) hi 'aladhremmin ennorath. (in (these isolated) meshed trees of Middle-earth) A Elbereth Gilthoniel (Oh Star-Queen, Star-Kindler) ithil nâ thûl, ithil lîn hen... (The Moon is spirit(alive?), The Moon (pool/sings) watches)Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. (Out from the Great Sea beyond Middle-earth I have come) Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta! (In this place I will abide, and (my)heirs, unto the (end of doom/end of the world!)[ June 24, 2003: Message edited by: Legolas ]

dancing spawn of ungoliant · 06-25-2003, 05:43 AM

could you say that a little more accurately, like if eär means sea, what means the ending -ello? thanks for your help!

06-24-2003, 09:38 AM	#1
dancing spawn of ungoliant Mischievous Candle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: So near to Russia, so far from Japan, quite a long way from Cairo, lots of miles from Vietnam. Posts: 1,234	help wanted! i don't know if this is in right section (sorry if it's not!) but i would very much appreciate your help to my problem.<BR>here are two songs heard in the movie, A Elbereth Gilthoniel and 2nd part of Namárie.<P>A Elbereth Gilthoniel(sindarin):<BR>A Bereth thar-Ennui Aeair!<BR>A Galad ven i reniar<BR>hi 'aladhremmin ennorath.<BR>A Elbereth Gilthoniel<BR>ithil nâ thûl, ithil lîn hen...<P>Namárie(quenya):<BR>Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien.<BR>Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!<P><A HREF="http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/movie_soundtrack_fotr.htm" TARGET=_blank>here</A> are both songs translated in english but there aren't word-by-word analyses of them...so...if you guys are better in these things and you could do that kind of analyse for me? pretty please!<BR>i have tried myself but all i got was:<BR>galad=light<BR>i=the<BR>et=forth,out<BR>eä r=sea<BR>endor=middle-earth<BR>utúlien-- utúlie=has come+ -n=i,me<P>so...help wanted! __________________ Fenris Wolf

06-24-2003, 10:34 AM	#2
Legolas A Northern Soul Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Valinor Posts: 1,847	Words in paranetheses are either implied or words that I'm not sure about, where possibilities are listed. I have done a very literal translation of the first. The second is much easier because it's actually from the books - it's from Aragorn's coronation, and the words Elendil spoke as he set foot on the shore of Middle-earth.<P>A Bereth thar-Ennui Aeair! <BR>(Oh Queen across-(middle/separating) Ocean (of old)!)<BR>A Galad ven i reniar <BR>(Oh Radiant (to wanderers?/as the days of old?))<BR>hi 'aladhremmin ennorath. <BR>(in (these isolated) meshed trees of Middle-earth)<BR>A Elbereth Gilthoniel <BR>(Oh Star-Queen, Star-Kindler)<BR>ithil nâ thûl, ithil lîn hen... <BR>(The Moon is spirit(alive?), The Moon (pool/sings) watches)<P>Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. <BR>(Out from the Great Sea beyond Middle-earth I have come)<BR>Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta! (In this place I will abide, and (my)heirs, unto the (end of doom/end of the world!)<p>[ June 24, 2003: Message edited by: Legolas ] __________________ ...take counsel with thyself, and remember who and what thou art.

06-25-2003, 05:43 AM	#3
dancing spawn of ungoliant Mischievous Candle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: So near to Russia, so far from Japan, quite a long way from Cairo, lots of miles from Vietnam. Posts: 1,234	could you say that a little more accurately, like if eär means sea, what means the ending -ello?<BR>thanks for your help! __________________ Fenris Wolf