Subject for the Second film?

[zxcvbn]

In a 2004 press statement New Line had said that they had the rights to make two Middle Earth films: One based on the Hobbit and the other an independent sequel/prequel 'drawn from footnotes and appendices'. Right now the plan for this second unnamd prequel seems to be a film on the White Council/Necromancer and other events between the Hobbit and LOTR. But in my opinion this oppurtunity can be better used for telling other stories of Middle Earth. What if PJ just included the White Council parts in the Hobbit film and used the other film for something like the War of the Last Alliance or the Fall of Arnor? Any suggestions for which stories you would want depicted?

[Sauron the White]

Since they have the rights to the Appendicies, this is the film I want to see

- Feanor is shown to be the greatest of the Eldar making the Silmarils filling them with the radiance of the Two Trees
- Morgoth stealing the Silmarils
-Morgoth destroying the Two Trees by poisoning them
- Morgoth retreating to his great fortress of Thangorodrim with the Silmarils
- Feanor leading his people into exile
- War between the Eldar and Edain against Morgoth and his forces
- the defeat of the Eldar and Edain
- the union of Beren and Luthien and their lineage
-Beren and Luthien steal a Silmaril from the Iron Crown of Morgoth
-Luthien becomes mortal and gives birth to Dior
-the city of Gondolin with Turgon as its king
-the wedding of Earendil to Elwing
-the overthrow of Morgoth
-the ship of Earendil is set into the heavens

Now that is an epic!!!!!

[davem]

Jackson has stated that his plan for the second movie is the period post Hobbit & pre-LotR. That's what the audience want. The first age stuff is not under consideration as far as I'm aware. Just because they could put together a 'FA' movie doesn't mean they'd want to.

[Folwren]

No, no...I'd agree with davem. I think their time would be better spent doing stuff between the Hobbit and LotR and not meddling with first age stuff. Besides, all that would take hours and hours and a whole 'nother 12-hour, three movie film.

I think he could spend his time in the second movie showing the progress of the dwarves... perhaps following the lives of the company. Balin, for instance, went off to Moria - a sequence touched upon in LotR by finding his tomb, and one promising to be very interesting with the Watcher in the Water and tons of orcs, and even a sight of the Balrog, no doubt.

Also, he could have the beginning of Aragorn's love story!

Gollum could be drawn out of the caves and brought to the world of the living and so could have an interesting story thread of his own...

The possibilties are many, you know.

[Sauron the White]

davem and Folwren ... of course you both are totally correct in that is what the public wants and that is what Jackson will give them. Its a very smart business decision.

My post was a direct response to the question asked by zxcvbn of what stories I want to see out of the Appendicies. Perhaps those should be left the a third cycle of films - #6, 7 and 8?

[davem]

Originally Posted by Sauron the White

Since they have the rights to the Appendicies, this is the film I want to see

As GK Chesterton said: "To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it."

Or to put it another way Zaentz/Jackson may have the legal right to use such material, but they'd be pushing it - & they might just find that if someone was to follow CT who was a bit more open to selling the movie rights to The Sil writings he or she might decide they'd blotted their copybook by making such a pseudo-Sil movie (in short, I don't know whether Adam Tolkien is as opposed to more movies as his father is....)

No-one can say that 5 or 10 years (or less) from now the rights to the Sil won't be up for grabs - do you really think approaches haven't been made? The 'official' version was that legal disputes would mean The Hobbit would never reach the screen. Then it was Jackson would never be involved. Now its The Sil rights will NEVER be sold. JRRT was willing to sell the movie rights to his work CT is not. Those who inherit the rights may be - its impossible to tell. So, that being the case, do you really think Zaentz or Jackson is going to risk annoying the rights holders by knocking up a script based on a few scraps in Appendix A if they thereby find themselves excluded from being able to buy movie rights to all Tolkien's other stuff?

[skip spence]

Link:
http://www.wildbluffmedia.com/2007/1...-and-a-sequel/

So apparently there will be two movies filmed simultaneously. The first will cover the full storyline in the Hobbit. The second will bridge the 60 year gap between TH and the beginning of LoTR.

I'm a bit surprised about this choice; I'd have though there were other parts of JRRTs works that would make a better movie. Not so sure what actually happened during this time. Not much drama that I can remember. Would be cool perhaps to see an incarnate Sauron return to Barad Dur (as opposed to that silly red eye), and the White Counsil's attack on Dol Guldur.

The though of the scriptwriters being a given free reign to make up much of the storyline worries me a bit.

Still, two movies are better than one I suppose.

So what do you think this movie will contain?

And what would you like it to contain?

[Nazgûl-king]

I think they will included the Dol Guldor storyline with The Hobbit, as for the in-between thing maybe it could show the Angmar storyline that is featured in the appendices.

[skip spence]

Could someone help me list what is written about these 60 years between TH and LoTR? This is what I can remember:

The Hobbits drink their ale and plow their earth.

The elves remember the good old days.

Balin goes to Moria and have himself killed.

Gollum goes to Mordor and is caught by Sauron, who's just returned.

He's then caught by Aragorn who is quite busy during this time.

What else?

[davem]

Originally Posted by skip spence

Could someone help me list what is written about these 60 years between TH and LoTR? This is what I can remember:

The Hobbits drink their ale and plow their earth.

The elves remember the good old days.

Balin goes to Moria and have himself killed.

Gollum goes to Mordor and is caught by Sauron, who've just returned.

He's then caught by Aragorn who is quite busy during this time.

What else?

You're forgetting the famous expedition of Drogo Baggins into Far Harad to catch the gigantic gorilla which subsequently ran amok in Minas Tirith & then fell to its death from the Tower of Ecthelion. That should take up a good three hours of screentime...

[davem]

Er.....actually I'd like to see that one......

[Essex]

Skip spence: re your query: "Could someone help me list what is written about these 60 years between TH and LoTR?"

This is from the tale of the years:

2942
Bilbo returns to the Shire with the Ring. Sauron returns in secret to Mordor. 2944 Bard rebuilds Dale and becomes King. Gollum leaves the Mountains and begins his search for the 'thief of the Ring.


2948
Théoden son of Thengel. King of Rohan. born.


2949
Gandalf and Balin visit Bilbo in the Shire.


2950
Finduilas, daughter of Adrahil of Dol Amroth, born.


2951
Sauron declares himself openly and gathers power in Mordor. He begins the rebuilding of Barad-dûr. Gollum turns towards Mordor. Sauron sends three of the Nazgûl to reoccupy Dol Guldur. Elrond reveals to 'Estel' his true name and ancestry, and delivers to him the shards of Narsil. Arwen, newly returned from Lórien, meets Aragorn in the woods of Imladris. Aragorn goes out into the Wild.


2953
Last meeting of the White Council. They debate the Rings. Saruman feigns that he has discovered that the One Ring has passed down Anduin to the Sea. Saruman withdraws to Isengard, which he takes as his own, and fortifies it Being jealous and afraid of Gandalf he sets spies to watch all his movements; and notes his interest in the Shire. He soon begins to keep agents in Bree and the Southfarthing.


2954
Mount Doom bursts into flame again. The last inhabitants of Ithilien flee over Anduin.


2956
Aragorn meets Gandalf and their friendship begins.


2957-80
Aragorn undertakes his great journeys and errantries. As Thorongil he serves in disguise both Thengel of Rohan and Ecthelion II of Gondor.


2968
Birth of Frodo.


2976
Denethor weds Finduilas of Dol Amroth.


2977
Bain son of Bard becomes King of Dale.


2978
Birth of Boromir son of Denethor II.


2980
Aragorn enters Lórien and there meets again Arwen Undómiel. Aragorn gives her the ring of Barahir. and they plight their troth upon the hill of Cerin Amroth. About this time Gollum reaches the confines of Mordor and becomes acquainted with Shelob. Théoden becomes King of Rohan.


2983
Faramir son of Denethor born. Birth of Samwise.


2984
Death of Ecthelion II. Denethor II becomes Steward of Gondor.


2988
Finduilas dies young.


2989
Balin leaves Erebor and enters Moria.


2991
Éomer Éomund's son born in Rohan.


2994
Balin perishes, and the dwarf-colony is destroyed.


2995
Éowyn sister of Éomer born.


_c._ 3000
The shadow of Mordor lengthens. Saruman dares to use the _palantír _of Orthanc, but becomes ensnared by Sauron, who has the Ithil Stone. He becomes a traitor to the Council. His spies report that the Shire is being closely guarded by the Rangers.?

So plenty to work on. from the above I would like to see:

Gollum searching for the Ring
the rebuilding of Barad-dur
Nazgul occupying Dol Guldur
Elrond explaining aragorn's ancestry
the White Council (and bits form the unfinished tales can be used here)
saruman off to isengard
aragorn / gandalf friendship
frodo born
aragorn / arwen and all it entails!
gollum meets shelob!!
balin - moria - (fights no doubt!) and destruction of the colony
saruman ensared by sauron in the palantir
rangers begin guard of shire

enough for a couple of hours I rekcon!

they could also be a little bit artisitic with the timings and show some form of attack on dol guldur (and retreat by sauron) wich technically takes place during the Hobbit timeline I suppose

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Interesting. I'd forgotten how much could be
made of pre-Bilbo Gollum.