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01-27-2002, 12:34 AM

I was wondering what ever happened to the dwarfs that possessed the rings? They are mentioned in teh very beginning of the book and not mentioned again throughout the whole triology. AM i just missing something?

Mayla Took · 01-27-2002, 12:55 AM

You know, I really don't know! That is a very good question! I was hoping to find out myself by seeing who responded! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] I have read The Hobbit and the LOTR trilogy many times, I am starting on the books of lost tales and the Silmarilion, but I haven't heard much about the Dwarf Lords. I will let you know when I find out!!

greywind · 01-27-2002, 03:52 AM

i think the each of 7 dwarf lords held the rings, and with the rings power they led the 7 dwarf - hosts. somewhere around.

there is traces in the appendixes though... about the one sauron takes back from this dude in dol guldur... when he goes to visit the necromancer. cant remember clearly though.

eventually; at the end of the 3rd age sauron had them, or they where melted by dragons. i thonk he had 3 or 4.

we will need someone with a little better perspective than me here, though

Elrian · 01-27-2002, 03:59 AM

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there is traces in the appendixes though... about the one sauron takes back from this dude in dol guldur... when he goes to visit the necromancer. cant remember clearly though.

That was Thrain II. Durin III of Moria is mentioned as receiving the chief of the seven rings, after Moria was lost to the Balrog, it's people founded Erebor, so the ring that was taken from Thrain II in Dol Gulder was likely the ring that was given to Durin III. No others that I know of are mentioned by name. Sauron retreived some the rest were consumed by dragons according to the book.

greywind · 01-27-2002, 04:06 AM

too bad the dragon did not melt bilbo and the ring as well, away!

Voronwe · 01-27-2002, 05:50 AM

As Gandalf said, no dragon could have melted the One Ring.

-Voronwë

greywind · 01-27-2002, 10:58 AM

hm. it seems i have taken the bite of a rotten apple.

it is not quite logical though... the rings of power could only be destroyed by the firm that made them or dragons fire, but the ruling ring where special. it was protected against dragon too.

but then again, many wonderfull things in Ëa where not really reasonable, hence i should not complain.

01-27-2002, 09:00 PM

Awesome guys, but does anyone know if Sauron had any effects on the Dwarf Lords?

inglorion · 01-28-2002, 02:51 PM

The dwarven rings were something special. They were made for the same purpose as the Nine; to enslave their wearers to Sauron.
Only dwarves proved a little harder in fading then Men. They didn´t become wraiths but instead became very greedy and it was the rings that made the dwarves create their gold-hoards. They became immensely rich.
Sauron had no power over the dwarves, so he tried to gather back the rings, which he did except for the ones destroyed by the dragons.

I am not sure if all this is correct, I remember to have read it somewhere.

As for the One Ring, Gandalf says no dragon is now alive with the fire hot enough to harm the One Ring, nor was there ever save maybe Ancalagon.

Cirdan the Shipwright · 01-28-2002, 04:07 PM

That pretty much covers it. I wonder if Sauron had redistributed his recovered dwarf rings to other servants. I sort of assumed that the Mouth of Sauron probably had one.

OH MAN - MAJOR EPIPHANY - WHAT IF THE RING SARUMAN WAS WEARING WAS A RECOVERED DWARF RING THAT HE RECEIVED AFTER FALLING UNDER SAURON'S INFLUENCE VIA THE PALANTIR?????? WHOA!

Head spinning with the possibility ...

- Maglor

Kuruharan · 01-28-2002, 04:13 PM

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For Dwarves had proved untameable by this means. The only power over them that the Rings wielded was to inflame their hearts with a greed of gold and precious things...But they were made from their beginning of a kind to resist most steadfastly any domination. Though they could be slain or broken, they could not be reduced to shadows enslaved to another will; and for the same reason their lives were not affected by any Ring, to live either longer or shorter because of it.
Durin's Folk, Appendix A, RTK

You got it bang on! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Carannillion · 01-28-2002, 05:05 PM

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OH MAN - MAJOR EPIPHANY - WHAT IF THE RING SARUMAN WAS WEARING WAS A RECOVERED DWARF RING THAT HE RECEIVED AFTER FALLING UNDER SAURON'S INFLUENCE VIA THE PALANTIR?????? WHOA!

Head spinning with the possibility ...

*head actually flying around the room, banging the walls*

But isn't there any confirmation on that he did craft this ring himself? He was very learned in the Ring-Lore, after all...

Cirdan the Shipwright · 01-29-2002, 08:44 AM

All it says is that he was wearing a ring, but nothing else.

- Cirdan

Elenhin · 01-29-2002, 12:07 PM

Actually, Saruman boasts that he is not only Saruman of Many Colours, but Saruman the Ring-maker as well.

01-27-2002, 12:34 AM	#1
Manhands69 Guest Posts: n/a	Dwarf Rings I was wondering what ever happened to the dwarfs that possessed the rings? They are mentioned in teh very beginning of the book and not mentioned again throughout the whole triology. AM i just missing something?

01-27-2002, 12:55 AM	#2
Mayla Took Wight Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Shire Posts: 152	You know, I really don't know! That is a very good question! I was hoping to find out myself by seeing who responded! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] I have read The Hobbit and the LOTR trilogy many times, I am starting on the books of lost tales and the Silmarilion, but I haven't heard much about the Dwarf Lords. I will let you know when I find out!! __________________ Good Things Come in Small Packages. (And don't you forget it!) Pippin:"What is that?!?" Merry:"This, my friend, is a pint!" Pippin:"It comes in PINTS?!?....I'm getting one!" "Don't let your heads get too big for your hats! But if you don't finish growing up soon, you are going to find hats and clothes expensive." Bilbo to Merry and Pippin "Fool of a Took! This is a serious journey, not a hobbit walking-party. Throw yourself in next time, and then you will be no further nuisance. Now be quiet!" Gandalf to Pippin in Moria E-mail me at mailto:ThirdAgeHobbit@hotmail.comThirdAgeHobbit@hotmail.com</A> Oh, and please rate me. THANKS!

01-27-2002, 05:50 AM	#6
Voronwe Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Gondolin Posts: 413	As Gandalf said, no dragon could have melted the One Ring. -Voronwë __________________ "If you would be a real seeker after truth, you must at least once in your life doubt, as far as possible, all things." -- René Descartes

01-28-2002, 02:51 PM	#9
inglorion Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Hollandia Posts: 55	The dwarven rings were something special. They were made for the same purpose as the Nine; to enslave their wearers to Sauron. Only dwarves proved a little harder in fading then Men. They didn´t become wraiths but instead became very greedy and it was the rings that made the dwarves create their gold-hoards. They became immensely rich. Sauron had no power over the dwarves, so he tried to gather back the rings, which he did except for the ones destroyed by the dragons. I am not sure if all this is correct, I remember to have read it somewhere. As for the One Ring, Gandalf says no dragon is now alive with the fire hot enough to harm the One Ring, nor was there ever save maybe Ancalagon. __________________ Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards for they are subtle and quick to anger.

01-27-2002, 03:52 AM	#3
greywind Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 22	i think the each of 7 dwarf lords held the rings, and with the rings power they led the 7 dwarf - hosts. somewhere around. there is traces in the appendixes though... about the one sauron takes back from this dude in dol guldur... when he goes to visit the necromancer. cant remember clearly though. eventually; at the end of the 3rd age sauron had them, or they where melted by dragons. i thonk he had 3 or 4. we will need someone with a little better perspective than me here, though

01-27-2002, 04:06 AM	#5
greywind Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 22	too bad the dragon did not melt bilbo and the ring as well, away!

01-27-2002, 10:58 AM	#7
greywind Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 22	hm. it seems i have taken the bite of a rotten apple. it is not quite logical though... the rings of power could only be destroyed by the firm that made them or dragons fire, but the ruling ring where special. it was protected against dragon too. but then again, many wonderfull things in Ëa where not really reasonable, hence i should not complain.

01-27-2002, 09:00 PM	#8
Manhands69 Guest Posts: n/a	Awesome guys, but does anyone know if Sauron had any effects on the Dwarf Lords?

01-28-2002, 04:07 PM	#10
Cirdan the Shipwright Haunting Spirit Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 52	That pretty much covers it. I wonder if Sauron had redistributed his recovered dwarf rings to other servants. I sort of assumed that the Mouth of Sauron probably had one. OH MAN - MAJOR EPIPHANY - WHAT IF THE RING SARUMAN WAS WEARING WAS A RECOVERED DWARF RING THAT HE RECEIVED AFTER FALLING UNDER SAURON'S INFLUENCE VIA THE PALANTIR?????? WHOA! Head spinning with the possibility ... - Maglor

01-29-2002, 08:44 AM	#13
Cirdan the Shipwright Haunting Spirit Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 52	All it says is that he was wearing a ring, but nothing else. - Cirdan

01-29-2002, 12:07 PM	#14
Elenhin Wight Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Vantaa, Finland Posts: 205	Actually, Saruman boasts that he is not only Saruman of Many Colours, but Saruman the Ring-maker as well.