Gandalf victorious - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

ninja91 · 02-10-2007, 06:55 AM

What do you think would have happened to the Fellowship's journey (and beyond) if Gandalf had defeated the Balrog on the Bridge of Khazad Dum and led the Fellowship out of Moria as Gandalf the Grey?

MatthewM · 02-10-2007, 10:40 AM

Heh. Well, it's all speculation, but I might as well do a little of it...

I believe perhaps Gandalf would have seen Boromir's temptation after Lorien easier than the others did and maybe would have talked him out of it somehow.

Aragorn wouldn't have built up so much trust in himself, as he was forced to lead the Company after Gandalf's fall. He couldn't clearly decipher what Gandalf would have wanted him to do, so the task was placed on him, giving him more confidence in his decisions, as all of his choices seemed to be the right ones.

Frodo wouldn't have been wandering off alone in Amon Hen in the first place with Gandalf there.

The stay at Lothlorien would have been much different, I presume.

One could go on, but I'll stop there.

ninja91 · 02-10-2007, 10:45 AM

Please go on!!!!

Boromir88 · 02-10-2007, 11:02 AM

Well Gandalf did defeat the Balrog, he just ended up dying in the process. And it's a good thing he ended up dying. As 'the old' Gandalf would not have been able to handle Theoden nor Saruman:

Quote:

"...the old Gandalf could not have dealt with Theoden, nor with Saruman."~Letter 156

Then as Letter 156 talks about it's Gandalf's sacrifice and obeisance to 'The Authority' that gets him sent back with some power uppage to deal with Saruman. As the old Gandalf would not have had the power to do so. So, had Gandalf lived and continued on with the Fellowship, he would have either had to die, and be sent back with some extra power, or I think a whole crap load of problems would occur. As Gandalf the Grey would not have been able to help Theoden nor boot Saruman from the Order.

Knight of Gondor · 02-10-2007, 09:35 PM

The Quest would have failed far earlier if Gandalf had not fallen.

Remember that, shortly after leaving Lothlorien (where he had been taken shortly after awakening on top of Zirak-Zigal), Gandalf strove with the Dark Lord in thought. This is why the Sauron had trouble perceiving Frodo when he put the ring on at the top of Amon Hen. Had Gandalf (the White) not wrestled with Sauron in thought, Frodo's position would soon have been discovered.

Rhod the Red · 02-11-2007, 12:03 AM

Disagreed. The quest probably would have succeeded much quicker, though Saruman would have won Rohan I think.

02-10-2007, 10:40 AM	#2
MatthewM Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New York Posts: 627	Heh. Well, it's all speculation, but I might as well do a little of it... I believe perhaps Gandalf would have seen Boromir's temptation after Lorien easier than the others did and maybe would have talked him out of it somehow. Aragorn wouldn't have built up so much trust in himself, as he was forced to lead the Company after Gandalf's fall. He couldn't clearly decipher what Gandalf would have wanted him to do, so the task was placed on him, giving him more confidence in his decisions, as all of his choices seemed to be the right ones. Frodo wouldn't have been wandering off alone in Amon Hen in the first place with Gandalf there. The stay at Lothlorien would have been much different, I presume. One could go on, but I'll stop there. __________________ "Loud and clear it sounds in the valleys of the hills...and then let all the foes of Gondor flee!" -Boromir, The Fellowship of the Ring

02-10-2007, 09:35 PM	#5
Knight of Gondor Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 744	The Quest would have failed far earlier if Gandalf had not fallen. Remember that, shortly after leaving Lothlorien (where he had been taken shortly after awakening on top of Zirak-Zigal), Gandalf strove with the Dark Lord in thought. This is why the Sauron had trouble perceiving Frodo when he put the ring on at the top of Amon Hen. Had Gandalf (the White) not wrestled with Sauron in thought, Frodo's position would soon have been discovered. __________________ Eagerly awaiting the REAL Return of the King - Jesus Christ! Revelation 19:11-16

02-11-2007, 12:03 AM	#6
Rhod the Red Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 257	Disagreed. The quest probably would have succeeded much quicker, though Saruman would have won Rohan I think. __________________ Head of the Fifth Order of the Istari Tenure: Fourth Age(Year 1) - Present Currently operating in Melbourne, Australia