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ninja91 · 05-25-2006, 12:50 PM

Could anyone help clear this up? What is the difference between the Khandish people and the Haradrim, besides the different regions they live in? How far east does Khand reach? And, for that matter, Rhun? Rhun is huge, but I have not seen the whole area. And how far southwards does Haradwaith stretch? Sorry for the deluge of ?'s.
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goldfinger · 05-25-2006, 02:38 PM

Khand is on the South-Eastern border of mordor. You can look at the Atlas of ME by Karen Wynn Fonstad to learn more. Harad stretches for thousand miles to the South.

Anguirel · 05-25-2006, 02:40 PM

Harad in itself means simply south, so we can almost assume that everything south of Gondor's southern border is Harad...

Formendacil · 05-25-2006, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Anguirel

Harad in itself means simply south, so we can almost assume that everything south of Gondor's southern border is Harad...

Just as everything to the East of Rhovannion and Mordor is Rhûn- meaning East.

Khand, which is situated between the two, and during the days of Ostaher and Eärnil acted as a mediator between them, is apparently only the approximate area covered by the word "Khand" on the map- the meaning of the word "Khand" being unknown, as well as what tongue it belongs to.

How far east and how far south Rhûn and Harad extend is not known. Presumably a good ways, at least as far as Middle-Earth extends northward or southward towards the seas. Rhûn is known to have extended as far east, at least, from the Iron Hills as the Iron Hills were from Mt. Gundabad.

Elu Ancalime · 05-25-2006, 04:22 PM

In the "Empty Lands," the eastern continent mirros Aman, complete with a mountain range (generally called Walls of the Sun) and even a mountain that lines up with Taniquetil. (Named Kalamore, I believe) That mountain and Taniquetil
are both pinnicles of the Girdle of Arda. What to you think about that?
Also, south of Harad is a large Sea that cuts the south of ME in half, and the southern part is just labeled "Dark Land." It is interesting that it touches the Walls of the world, and Ekkaia. What do you think would happen if a boat just sailed south? Would there actually be a current that was the Encircling Sea? Could you really "fall off" the south side? Before the Downfall, of course.
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Mänwe · 01-05-2007, 04:39 PM

In addition to the differences between the two regions, there are a number of references to the peoples of Khand and Harad,

It becomes clear that there are various races that dwelt in the region known as “Harad”, and not all of those were men.

“He now was destroyed; but Gothmog the lieutenant of Morgul had flung them into the fray; Easterlings with axes, and Variags of Khand. Southrons in scarlet, and out of Far Harad black men like half-trolls with white eyes and red tongues.” – (Chapter 6, Battle of the Pelennor Fields.)

Despite this reference to a race of half-trolls, whether they were indeed a breed of men and trolls or whether it was just their appearance that warranted the description, is debatable. It is obvious that the majority of folk were ‘men’, as we know them.

“It was night again ere news came. A man rode in haste from the fords, saying that a host had issued from Minas Morgul and was already drawing nigh to Osgiliath; and it had been joined by regiments from the South, Haradrim, cruel and tall.” – (Chapter 4, Siege of Gondor)

Two leaders Fuirin and Herumor who were of Númenorean descent would I think be closest to their appearance. I should imagine that the apparent desolation and desert terrain, their skins would have been darker than most; no doubt the reason for the “black men”.

Variags I doubt differed much from the Haradrim, a barbarous in nature and nomadic people. Apart from differences in appearance one might suggest that there was a different skill base in these people during war.

The Haradrim appear to have a great like for being on mount, whether horses or mûmakil.

"Southward beyond the road lay the main force of the Haradrim, and there their horsemen were gathered about the standard of their chieftain." - (Chapter 6, Battle of the Pelennor Fields.)

“…and from the southward fields came footmen of Harad with horsemen before them, and behind them rose the huge backs of the mûmakil with war-towers upon them.” - (Chapter 6, Battle of the Pelennor Fields.)

Always present are horsemen. While there are no mention of any horses in the forces of the Variag and Easterling peoples.

05-25-2006, 02:40 PM	#3
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,825	Harad in itself means simply south, so we can almost assume that everything south of Gondor's southern border is Harad... __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

05-25-2006, 04:22 PM	#5
Elu Ancalime Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Anador Posts: 479	In the "Empty Lands," the eastern continent mirros Aman, complete with a mountain range (generally called Walls of the Sun) and even a mountain that lines up with Taniquetil. (Named Kalamore, I believe) That mountain and Taniquetil are both pinnicles of the Girdle of Arda. What to you think about that? Also, south of Harad is a large Sea that cuts the south of ME in half, and the southern part is just labeled "Dark Land." It is interesting that it touches the Walls of the world, and Ekkaia. What do you think would happen if a boat just sailed south? Would there actually be a current that was the Encircling Sea? Could you really "fall off" the south side? Before the Downfall, of course. ________ Vaporizer review Last edited by Elu Ancalime; 03-04-2011 at 12:00 AM.

01-05-2007, 04:39 PM	#6
Mänwe Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: May as well be the Arctic Circle Posts: 297	In addition.. In addition to the differences between the two regions, there are a number of references to the peoples of Khand and Harad, It becomes clear that there are various races that dwelt in the region known as “Harad”, and not all of those were men. “He now was destroyed; but Gothmog the lieutenant of Morgul had flung them into the fray; Easterlings with axes, and Variags of Khand. Southrons in scarlet, and out of Far Harad black men like half-trolls with white eyes and red tongues.” – (Chapter 6, Battle of the Pelennor Fields.) Despite this reference to a race of half-trolls, whether they were indeed a breed of men and trolls or whether it was just their appearance that warranted the description, is debatable. It is obvious that the majority of folk were ‘men’, as we know them. “It was night again ere news came. A man rode in haste from the fords, saying that a host had issued from Minas Morgul and was already drawing nigh to Osgiliath; and it had been joined by regiments from the South, Haradrim, cruel and tall.” – (Chapter 4, Siege of Gondor) Two leaders Fuirin and Herumor who were of Númenorean descent would I think be closest to their appearance. I should imagine that the apparent desolation and desert terrain, their skins would have been darker than most; no doubt the reason for the “black men”. Variags I doubt differed much from the Haradrim, a barbarous in nature and nomadic people. Apart from differences in appearance one might suggest that there was a different skill base in these people during war. The Haradrim appear to have a great like for being on mount, whether horses or mûmakil. "Southward beyond the road lay the main force of the Haradrim, and there their horsemen were gathered about the standard of their chieftain." - (Chapter 6, Battle of the Pelennor Fields.) “…and from the southward fields came footmen of Harad with horsemen before them, and behind them rose the huge backs of the mûmakil with war-towers upon them.” - (Chapter 6, Battle of the Pelennor Fields.) Always present are horsemen. While there are no mention of any horses in the forces of the Variag and Easterling peoples. __________________ "I am, I fear, a most unsatisfactory person." - (Letter #124 To Sir Stanley Unwin)

05-25-2006, 02:38 PM	#2
goldfinger Haunting Spirit Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: KC, Missouri Posts: 60	Khand is on the South-Eastern border of mordor. You can look at the Atlas of ME by Karen Wynn Fonstad to learn more. Harad stretches for thousand miles to the South.