The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum


Visit The *EVEN NEWER* Barrow-Downs Photo Page

Go Back   The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum > Middle-Earth Discussions > The Books
User Name
Password
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Today's Posts


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-03-2014, 06:39 PM   #1
The Mouth of Sauron
Wight
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Barad-Dur
Posts: 196
The Mouth of Sauron has just left Hobbiton.
Why didn't Morgulduin pollute the lower Anduin?

As they left Henneth Annun Frodo and Sam were warned by Faramir not to drink any water emanating from the Morgul Vale. Yet the Morgulduin flowed from there into the Anduin at Osgiliath. So was the lower Anduin polluted?
The Mouth of Sauron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2014, 07:55 PM   #2
Inziladun
Gruesome Spectre
 
Inziladun's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Heaven's doorstep
Posts: 8,058
Inziladun is a guest of Galadriel in Lothlórien.Inziladun is a guest of Galadriel in Lothlórien.Inziladun is a guest of Galadriel in Lothlórien.Inziladun is a guest of Galadriel in Lothlórien.Inziladun is a guest of Galadriel in Lothlórien.
Hm. I would still go with what I said here, with the "pollution" being less along the lines of Sharkey's men in the Shire, and more like the spiritual decay emanating from Minas Morgul.
__________________
Music alone proves the existence of God.
Inziladun is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2014, 08:08 PM   #3
William Cloud Hicklin
Loremaster of Annúminas
 
William Cloud Hicklin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,301
William Cloud Hicklin is battling Black Riders on Weathertop.William Cloud Hicklin is battling Black Riders on Weathertop.William Cloud Hicklin is battling Black Riders on Weathertop.
Fortunately, the element Morgulium has a half-life of only about 20 minutes.
__________________
The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.
William Cloud Hicklin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2014, 10:46 PM   #4
Zigûr
Ghost Prince of Cardolan
 
Zigûr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 785
Zigûr is a guest at the Prancing Pony.Zigûr is a guest at the Prancing Pony.
Water was one of the substances of Arda with the lowest concentration of "Morgoth-element", was it not? Perhaps the spiritual corruption of the Morgulduin (I always saw it as a "magical" evil rather than, say, the physical pollution from the New Mill) was too dilute by the time it reached the Anduin proper.
__________________
"Since the evening of that day we have journeyed from the shadow of Tol Brandir."
"On foot?" cried Éomer.
Zigûr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2014, 01:51 AM   #5
Mithalwen
Pilgrim Soul
 
Mithalwen's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle...
Posts: 9,916
Mithalwen is lost in the dark paths of Moria.Mithalwen is lost in the dark paths of Moria.Mithalwen is lost in the dark paths of Moria.Mithalwen is lost in the dark paths of Moria.
I suppose normally one would wish to take drinking water from as near the source as possible an d given the choice would go for the tributary rather than the main river that has been sewer and laundry as well as tap for every community and their beasts along its great length. However here I think it would aswell as being dilute would also have the benign influenceof Ulmo and his vassals to counteract the malign one of Sauron. Ulmo was the Valar most emgaged with Middle Earth and even in Mordor Frodo and Sam managed to find water to sustain then even if it was not pleasant. Maybeva small example of divine influence?
__________________
“But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.”

Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

Last edited by Mithalwen; 04-04-2014 at 12:12 PM.
Mithalwen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2014, 12:02 PM   #6
Tuor in Gondolin
Ghost Prince of Cardolan
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Southeast Pennsylvania
Posts: 3,651
Tuor in Gondolin has been trapped in the Barrow!
Send a message via Yahoo to Tuor in Gondolin
Pipe

Perhaps the power of Ulmo was able to restrain the Morgulduin influence on the Great River. In Unfinished Tales Ulmo says to Tuor noting his (Ulmo's) ebbing
power in streams near Thangorodrim:
Quote:
...Doom is strong, and the shadow of the Enemy lengthens; and I am diminished, until in Middle-earth I am become now no more than a secret whisper. The waters that run westward wither, and their springs are poisoned, and my power withdraws from the land
But, of course, his power is based in ocean deep waters and so would naturally extend up the broad Anduin estuary. Sort of like Sauron's noxious gases doing battle with the west winds and swirling around the borders of Mordor during the War of the Ring around Minas Tirith.
__________________
The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin.
Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'
Tuor in Gondolin is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:43 PM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.