Saruman of Middle...East? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

***Thenamir*** · 06-06-2003, 12:27 PM

Saruman sends suicide bombers to Helm's Deep, Sheikh Yassin (leader of Hamas, the terrorist group) sends suicide bombers to Jerusalem. Coincidence? Check these pictures and see the similarities!

SARUMAN

SHEIKH YASSIN

[ June 06, 2003: Message edited by: Thenamir ]

Arafangwen · 06-06-2003, 12:39 PM

If you 'think, therefore you post'. Then what is the point of this thread? Explanation please!

Bêthberry · 06-06-2003, 12:46 PM

Tsk, tsk. "Mayhem he thinks this is," *said in best Yoda-like imitation*

Thenamir, I seem to recall Tolkien quite firmly repudiating topical references in the Foreward to the Second Edition.

And I don't think it enlarges our appreciation of Tolkien or our understanding of current world events to appropriate literature or mythology, to either side, even in jest.

Respectfully,
Bêthberry

EDIT: Nor do I think it is in keeping with Barrow Downs policy to attempt to bring in current affairs.

[ June 06, 2003: Message edited by: Bêthberry ]

Meela · 06-06-2003, 01:07 PM

*shudders*

I do *not* want to think about the links between the two. But very amusing how they are so similar.

***Thenamir*** · 06-06-2003, 01:19 PM

Arafangwen:

It's just meant to be humorous. No offense intended.

[ June 06, 2003: Message edited by: Thenamir ]

burrahobbit · 06-06-2003, 02:12 PM

I can't believe you would insult the Arab people like that. You have no taste, Thenamir. Stereotyping a proud and friendly race with your bigotry and hatred! I don't even know why I read this place anymore.

burrahobbit · 06-06-2003, 02:26 PM

Meh.

Elentarimir · 06-06-2003, 02:48 PM

They do look alike, but I have to tell you to keep current events out of Barrowdowns, cause I think that's in the rules.

burrahobbit · 06-06-2003, 02:58 PM

I have to tell you.

***Thenamir*** · 06-06-2003, 03:31 PM

There isn't anything political about those pictures! It's just an uncanny resemblance! Any similarity in methods, madness, or mission is WHOLLY unintentional...

Legolas · 06-06-2003, 03:36 PM

They just look alike, and they are leaders of movements.

That is FUNNY.

FUNNY, I tell you.

It doesn't have anything to do with politics, or opinions of this man, or anything else. There's no "political discussion" here. One is in Middle-earth, one is in Middle-east - if you stripped away the clothes, you couldn't tell the difference. That's all there is to it.

[ June 06, 2003: Message edited by: Legolas ]

***The Barrow-Wight*** · 06-06-2003, 03:41 PM

There is not a fast rule that I remember or can find against bringing politics into the Downs, but there is certainly an unwritten policy. I recall a round of politicizing that occurred in signatures several months ago that was quickly ‘put down’, but other than that, we’ve had no real lasting problems with politics – probably because people don’t come here for such discussions (not that two pictures equal a discussion). I’ve no doubt that Thenamir introduced these pictures as nothing more than a bit of humor and the comparison Thenamir has made is not slanderous or even inaccurate (both Saruman and the Shiek would agree), but I don’t think the time is right for a Middle-east allegory topic. Everyone, enjoy the pictures if you like, dislike them if you want, but please don’t get upset about them. And don’t take them as an opportunity to discuss politics.

Thanks

Arafangwen · 06-07-2003, 10:42 AM

I'm sorry if my first comment came out wrong, I just wanted to know if there was a rhyme to your reason Thenamir. Rather, what discussion this thread was supposed to generate. I didn't think, you being a mod, that this would just be a nonsense thread, I simply wanted to know what you were trying to get us to discuss.

SIDENOTE: I do think the simalaritys are funny and somewhat uncanny, no offence was ever taken(just wanted to clear that all up).

Elentarimir · 06-07-2003, 03:54 PM

I do think they are funny. Hope I didn't offend you....

***Thenamir*** · 06-07-2003, 06:46 PM

No offense taken! I didn't realize what a can of worms I was opening! Enjoy!

Thenamir

06-06-2003, 12:27 PM	#1
*Thenamir* Spectre of Capitalism Join Date: May 2001 Location: Battling evil bureaucrats at Zeta Aquilae Posts: 990	Saruman of Middle...East? Saruman sends suicide bombers to Helm's Deep, Sheikh Yassin (leader of Hamas, the terrorist group) sends suicide bombers to Jerusalem. Coincidence? Check these pictures and see the similarities! SARUMAN SHEIKH YASSIN [ June 06, 2003: Message edited by: Thenamir ] __________________ The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. ~~ Marcus Aurelius

06-06-2003, 12:39 PM	#2
Arafangwen Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: WtR: 413 miles/Floating happily across the floor in the arms of The Phantom..... Posts: 379	If you 'think, therefore you post'. Then what is the point of this thread? Explanation please! __________________ i indo ye vanya mi amaurëa cálë~LúcëwenElerínaEruiel Soooo..... I'm still doing the wave, anyone else? Anyone? Yeah!! Hmmm... What is that?

06-06-2003, 12:46 PM	#3
Bêthberry Cryptic Aura Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 6,164	Tsk, tsk. "Mayhem he thinks this is," said in best Yoda-like imitation Thenamir, I seem to recall Tolkien quite firmly repudiating topical references in the Foreward to the Second Edition. And I don't think it enlarges our appreciation of Tolkien or our understanding of current world events to appropriate literature or mythology, to either side, even in jest. Respectfully, Bêthberry EDIT: Nor do I think it is in keeping with Barrow Downs policy to attempt to bring in current affairs. [ June 06, 2003: Message edited by: Bêthberry ] __________________ I’ll sing his roots off. I’ll sing a wind up and blow leaf and branch away.

06-06-2003, 01:07 PM	#4
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,118	shudders I do not want to think about the links between the two. But very amusing how they are so similar. __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

06-06-2003, 01:19 PM	#5
*Thenamir* Spectre of Capitalism Join Date: May 2001 Location: Battling evil bureaucrats at Zeta Aquilae Posts: 990	Arafangwen: It's just meant to be humorous. No offense intended. [ June 06, 2003: Message edited by: Thenamir ] __________________ The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. ~~ Marcus Aurelius

06-06-2003, 02:12 PM	#6
burrahobbit Hidden Spirit Join Date: May 2000 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,436	I can't believe you would insult the Arab people like that. You have no taste, Thenamir. Stereotyping a proud and friendly race with your bigotry and hatred! I don't even know why I read this place anymore. __________________ What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket, anyways?

06-06-2003, 02:26 PM	#7
burrahobbit Hidden Spirit Join Date: May 2000 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,436	Meh. __________________ What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket, anyways?

06-06-2003, 02:48 PM	#8
Elentarimir Wight Join Date: May 2003 Location: Is this a trick question? Posts: 125	They do look alike, but I have to tell you to keep current events out of Barrowdowns, cause I think that's in the rules. __________________ Due to lack of funding, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off.

06-06-2003, 02:58 PM	#9
burrahobbit Hidden Spirit Join Date: May 2000 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,436	I have to tell you. __________________ What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket, anyways?

06-06-2003, 03:31 PM	#10
*Thenamir* Spectre of Capitalism Join Date: May 2001 Location: Battling evil bureaucrats at Zeta Aquilae Posts: 990	There isn't anything political about those pictures! It's just an uncanny resemblance! Any similarity in methods, madness, or mission is WHOLLY unintentional... __________________ The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. ~~ Marcus Aurelius

06-06-2003, 03:36 PM	#11
Legolas A Northern Soul Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Valinor Posts: 1,850	They just look alike, and they are leaders of movements. That is FUNNY. FUNNY, I tell you. It doesn't have anything to do with politics, or opinions of this man, or anything else. There's no "political discussion" here. One is in Middle-earth, one is in Middle-east - if you stripped away the clothes, you couldn't tell the difference. That's all there is to it. [ June 06, 2003: Message edited by: Legolas ] __________________ ...take counsel with thyself, and remember who and what thou art.

06-06-2003, 03:41 PM	#12
*The Barrow-Wight* Night In Wight Satin Join Date: May 2000 Posts: 4,058	There is not a fast rule that I remember or can find against bringing politics into the Downs, but there is certainly an unwritten policy. I recall a round of politicizing that occurred in signatures several months ago that was quickly ‘put down’, but other than that, we’ve had no real lasting problems with politics – probably because people don’t come here for such discussions (not that two pictures equal a discussion). I’ve no doubt that Thenamir introduced these pictures as nothing more than a bit of humor and the comparison Thenamir has made is not slanderous or even inaccurate (both Saruman and the Shiek would agree), but I don’t think the time is right for a Middle-east allegory topic. Everyone, enjoy the pictures if you like, dislike them if you want, but please don’t get upset about them. And don’t take them as an opportunity to discuss politics. Thanks __________________ The Barrow-Wight

06-07-2003, 10:42 AM	#13
Arafangwen Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: WtR: 413 miles/Floating happily across the floor in the arms of The Phantom..... Posts: 379	I'm sorry if my first comment came out wrong, I just wanted to know if there was a rhyme to your reason Thenamir. Rather, what discussion this thread was supposed to generate. I didn't think, you being a mod, that this would just be a nonsense thread, I simply wanted to know what you were trying to get us to discuss. SIDENOTE: I do think the simalaritys are funny and somewhat uncanny, no offence was ever taken(just wanted to clear that all up). __________________ i indo ye vanya mi amaurëa cálë~LúcëwenElerínaEruiel Soooo..... I'm still doing the wave, anyone else? Anyone? Yeah!! Hmmm... What is that?

06-07-2003, 03:54 PM	#14
Elentarimir Wight Join Date: May 2003 Location: Is this a trick question? Posts: 125	I do think they are funny. Hope I didn't offend you.... __________________ Due to lack of funding, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off.

06-07-2003, 06:46 PM	#15
*Thenamir* Spectre of Capitalism Join Date: May 2001 Location: Battling evil bureaucrats at Zeta Aquilae Posts: 990	No offense taken! I didn't realize what a can of worms I was opening! Enjoy! Thenamir __________________ The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. ~~ Marcus Aurelius

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