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Urwen · 09-06-2021, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Is there any reason why I should be familiar with the Bible, or expect biblical answers in a Tolkien puzzle?

He translated one, plus he based his works on Christianity. I don't see why not...

Not that I am a religious person myself, but I can't deny that some of the stories in are quite fun.

Pervinca Took · 09-06-2021, 05:05 PM

I'm familiar with quite a lot of the Bible, but not the book of Kings.

I'd use biblical stuff as parts of clues. Just not as answers.

Huinesoron · 09-07-2021, 03:27 AM

Seems to have been lost with the last page:

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Originally Posted by Urwen

You're not familiar with the Bible, I take it? The fact Haman is there should have tipped you off...

Oh well

That would have been a great hint 20-odd days ago.

I'm guessing the password is TANAKH, and the second A is some variant on ANGELS. My Biblical Kings memory is limited to four, none of whom start with T or A, and unlike with the Legendarium I have no interest in digging through the Bible for more.

hS

Urwen · 09-08-2021, 02:57 AM

You know what, if you're so against it, then let's shelve this one. Huey got the password anyway, so he can go next

Huinesoron · 09-08-2021, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

You know what, if you're so against it, then let's shelve this one. Huey got the password anyway, so he can go next

Sure, then.

1. - The numinous root, otherwise known as a gift.
2. - Perfume from one Italian city.
3. - Chronic rails, year by year.
4. - A French one, conceived by the first to rise.
5. - Not grey... not gray, a German guest.
6. - In the round, Hell ends, and I am telepathy.
7. - Let's begin: Oh, snigger backwards, but with me instead of the example.
8. - Spiritually scary.
9. - The queen's scrambled citrus - o! Change it for two others.
10. - Go in, men in the corruption, and enjoy it.

All answers are English words or Tolkienian proper names, though two of them are borderline (one is both an English and Elvish word, and the other is a Tolkien coinage in English).

hS

Pervinca Took · 09-08-2021, 11:55 AM

5. Rad-a-gast?

Huinesoron · 09-08-2021, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

5. Rad-a-gast?

That's the chappie!

1. - The numinous root, otherwise known as a gift.
2. - Perfume from one Italian city.
3. - Chronic rails, year by year.
4. - A French one, conceived by the first to rise.
RADAGAST - Not grey... not gray, a German guest.
6. - In the round, Hell ends, and I am telepathy.
7. - Let's begin: Oh, snigger backwards, but with me instead of the example.
8. - Spiritually scary.
9. - The queen's scrambled citrus - o! Change it for two others.
10. - Go in, men in the corruption, and enjoy it.

hS

Pervinca Took · 09-08-2021, 12:06 PM

8. Wraiths? Barrow-Wights?

1. Death? Andor?

Huinesoron · 09-08-2021, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

8. Wraiths? Barrow-Wights?

1. Death? Andor?

No and no. 8 has both a straight and a cryptic clue, and 1... well, you're in the right area, just not the right answer.

hS

Pervinca Took · 09-08-2021, 01:26 PM

There's Scary in the Eastfarthing, but I can't find anything spiritual there.

Huinesoron · 09-09-2021, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

There's Scary in the Eastfarthing, but I can't find anything spiritual there.

You mean you haven't heard of St. Melian's Without? It's all in the Hostetter book.

Nothing to do with Scary, or the Shire.

hS

Galadriel55 · 09-09-2021, 05:19 AM

I wonder if we're looking for some sort of ghost-like creature with a name that means "scary". Anything called The Horror? I suppose BALROG vaguely fits that, I seem to remember the name means something like "powerful demon". Demon, horror....

Huinesoron · 09-09-2021, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Galadriel55

I wonder if we're looking for some sort of ghost-like creature with a name that means "scary".

Technically, technically, this is precisely correct. But not in the way you're thinking, on either part.

hS

Pervinca Took · 09-09-2021, 07:45 AM

Is it just a pun on FEA / FEAR?

Huinesoron · 09-09-2021, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Is it just a pun on FEA / FEAR?

Who you callin' a pun?

It's spiritual (being a spirit), and it's scary (because the only thing we have to fear is... you get it.)

1. - The numinous root, otherwise known as a gift.
2. - Perfume from one Italian city.
3. - Chronic rails, year by year.
4. - A French one, conceived by the first to rise.
RADAGAST - Not grey... not gray, a German guest.
6. - In the round, Hell ends, and I am telepathy.
7. - Let's begin: Oh, snigger backwards, but with me instead of the example.
FEAR - Spiritually scary.
9. - The queen's scrambled citrus - o! Change it for two others.
10. - Go in, men in the corruption, and enjoy it.

hS

Pervinca Took · 09-09-2021, 01:12 PM

2. Tempted to say A-ROMA, but no obvious Tolkien connection.

9. MELIAN? It has a scrambled lime. Although I suspect we have to take IT from CITRUS O, add 2 more letters and scramble it.

Unless it's LIME plus A (sort of Elvish for O/Oh), and can become LEMON with a bit of changing.

Huinesoron · 09-09-2021, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

2. Tempted to say A-ROMA, but no obvious Tolkien connection.

Trust your instincts. Aroma is correct, and does have a Tolkien connection.

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

9. MELIAN? It has a scrambled lime. Although zinc suspect we gave to take IT from CITRUS O, add 2 more letters and scramble it.

Unless it's LIME plus A (sort of Elvish for O/Oh), and can become LEMON with a bit of changing.

LEMON, scrambled, with O changed for two other vowels (IA).

1. - The numinous root, otherwise known as a gift.
AROMA - Perfume from one Italian city.
3. - Chronic rails, year by year.
4. - A French one, conceived by the first to rise.
RADAGAST - Not grey... not gray, a German guest.
6. - In the round, Hell ends, and I am telepathy.
7. - Let's begin: Oh, snigger backwards, but with me instead of the example.
FEAR - Spiritually scary.
MELIAN - The queen's scrambled citrus - o! Change it for two others.
10. - Go in, men in the corruption, and enjoy it.

hS

Pervinca Took · 09-09-2021, 04:17 PM

Is 10 ENTERTAINMENT?

ENTER + MEN in TAINT.

Galadriel55 · 09-09-2021, 05:26 PM

7. ORIGINS? Oh=O, snigger backwards is REGGINS, with e.g. replaced with I.

Huinesoron · 09-10-2021, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Is 10 ENTERTAINMENT?

ENTER + MEN in TAINT.

Exactly.

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Originally Posted by Galadriel55

7. ORIGINS? Oh=O, snigger backwards is REGGINS, with e.g. replaced with I.

And exoctly.

1. - The numinous root, otherwise known as a gift.
AROMA - Perfume from one Italian city.
3. - Chronic rails, year by year.
4. - A French one, conceived by the first to rise.
RADAGAST - Not grey... not gray, a German guest.
6. - In the round, Hell ends, and I am telepathy.
ORIGINS - Let's begin: Oh, snigger backwards, but with me instead of the example.
FEAR - Spiritually scary.
MELIAN - The queen's scrambled citrus - o! Change it for two others.
ENTERTAINMENT - Go in, men in the corruption, and enjoy it.

Only four to go!

hS

Pervinca Took · 09-10-2021, 03:30 AM

1. Is 'numinous' to indicate NUMENOR? Known by other name(s?) as the Land of Gift.

It's SOMETHINGS OF ME (ME as in Middle-earth), I guess. I'd say something like properties or qualities, but what are Melian and Radagast doing there?

NAMERS? NADIRS? (Nadirs doesn't make sense at all).

Huinesoron · 09-10-2021, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

1. Is 'numinous' to indicate NUMENOR? Known by other name(s?) as the Land of Gift.

"Numinous" is derived from the Latin root "numen". "Otherwise" is actually a cryptic clue for "or"! NUMENOR is right.

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

It's SOMETHINGS OF ME (ME as in Middle-earth), I guess. I'd say something like properties or qualities, but what are Melian and Radagast doing there?

NAMERS? NADIRS? (Nadirs doesn't make sense at all).

'OF M-E' is correct, but not the rest. Ummm... and I've just noticed I lost a word in #6; added in.

There's a reason I crafted this puzzle now.

NUMENOR - The numinous root, otherwise known as a gift.
AROMA - Perfume from one Italian city.
3. - Chronic rails, year by year.
4. - A French one, conceived by the first to rise.
RADAGAST - Not grey... not gray, a German guest.
6. - In the round, Hell ends, and I am retro-telepathy.
ORIGINS - Let's begin: Oh, snigger backwards, but with me instead of the example.
FEAR - Spiritually scary.
MELIAN - The queen's scrambled citrus - o! Change it for two others.
ENTERTAINMENT - Go in, men in the corruption, and enjoy it.

hS

Galadriel55 · 09-10-2021, 05:03 AM

Is telepathy OSANWE, or perhaps EWNASO, if it's retro? I don't see how it fits cryptically but it's worth a shot.

Pervinca Took · 09-10-2021, 05:08 AM

Nature of m-e?

Huinesoron · 09-10-2021, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Is telepathy OSANWE, or perhaps EWNASO, if it's retro? I don't see how it fits cryptically but it's worth a shot.

It is not; the telepathy is cryptic and modern.

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Nature of m-e?

Bingo! I felt a new book by Tolkien deserved a Password.

NUMENOR - The numinous root, otherwise known as a gift.
AROMA - Perfume from one Italian city.
3. T - Chronic rails, year by year.
4. U - A French one, conceived by the first to rise.
RADAGAST - Not grey... not gray, a German guest.
6. E - In the round, Hell ends, and I am retro-telepathy.
ORIGINS - Let's begin: Oh, snigger backwards, but with me instead of the example.
FEAR - Spiritually scary.
MELIAN - The queen's scrambled citrus - o! Change it for two others.
ENTERTAINMENT - Go in, men in the corruption, and enjoy it.

All remaining answers are English words, though one of them is probably a Tolkien-coined compound.

hS

Pervinca Took · 09-10-2021, 07:37 AM

UNBORN for U?

Huinesoron · 09-10-2021, 07:40 AM

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UNBORN for U?

Almost, but 'born' isn't a synonym for 'conceived'.

hS

Pervinca Took · 09-10-2021, 07:43 AM

Unthought? Unplanned?

They didn't have the Hostetter book at Oxonmoot.

Pervinca Took · 09-10-2021, 07:46 AM

ESP can be a synonym for telepathy. Maybe that clue ends PSE.

ECLIPSE? (If so, I wouldn't know why, except that it uses 4 letters of CIRCLE and perhaps there were eclipses due to some early doings of Varda?)

Huinesoron · 09-10-2021, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Unthought? Unplanned?

They didn't have the Hostetter book at Oxonmoot.

Neither of those; you were closer with 'born'.

I swiped the last copy at our bookshop; for some reason I don't think they're stocking vast numbers of "the bottom of Tolkien's scrap pile".

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

ESP can be a synonym for telepathy. Maybe that clue ends PSE.

ECLIPSE? (If so, I wouldn't know why, except that it uses 4 letters of CIRCLE and perhaps there were eclipses due to some early doings of Varda?)

It does end PSE, and you're actually only one letter off with your answer.

hS

Pervinca Took · 09-10-2021, 09:16 AM

Other than ELAPSE, and Virgil's ECLOGUES, (both more than one letter out), I can't think what other word there is.

Unseeded? Unfertilised?

Huinesoron · 09-10-2021, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Other than ELAPSE, and Virgil's ECLOGUES, (both more than one letter out), I can't think what other word there is.

I promise there is one. The one letter is one that needs to be changed in "Eclipse", not added or removed.

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Unseeded? Unfertilised?

I mean, technically the latter is close to being a synonym? Think that and Unborn. The answer is used as a Capitalised Proper Noun.

hS

Pervinca Took · 09-10-2021, 12:30 PM

Undead was the first one I thought of.

Unsung? (By the Ainur).

BTW I knew of Hostetter's book, but not the name of it. It really was just a guess at something to hopefully refer to all the answers.

Huinesoron · 09-10-2021, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Undead was the first one I thought of.

Unsung? (By the Ainur).

Uhm, no; apparently this one is a bit tricky... okay, this term refers to the first elves to awaken by Cuivienen. Like Unborn, but a bit more Tolkieny.

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

BTW I knew of Hostetter's book, but not the name of it. It really was just a guess at something to hopefully refer to all the answers.

We have a thread on it if you're interested. I suggest stopping when WCH and I descend into an argument about whether lembas is cornbread.

hS

Galadriel55 · 09-10-2021, 07:36 PM

Ellipse? I supose it makes sense, as (H)ELL + I + ESP. All kudos to Pervinca for getting 99% of the word. I would never have made it past EPS.

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We have a thread on it if you're interested. I suggest stopping when WCH and I descend into an argument about whether lembas is cornbread.

You kidding? That's my favourite part! Fine, I skim through most of the argumentation, but the spirit of the debate is priceless.

Also, I gotta say, the greyed out text makes it so much more intriguing to read, but I think I keep subconsciously expecting some dramatic revelation, because it all seems rather mundane compared to the types of things I imagine as I mentally fill in those blanks. Why am I expecting scandalous gossip in the first place? Dunno, maybe I'm just conditioned to associate "Hostetter" with the HOMEXIII jokes?

Pervinca Took · 09-11-2021, 01:10 AM

I guess ellipses occur in writing, but I've only heard of an ellipsis and its plural, ellipses, so didn't guess it.

Ah, hang on. G55, you mean ELLIPSE = regular oval? Does it refer to the original shape of Arda?

Galadriel55 · 09-11-2021, 05:11 AM

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Ah, hang on. G55, you mean ELLIPSE = regular oval? Does it refer to the original shape of Arda?

No idea what it refers to, but yeah, I was thinking about the shape. You're totally right, it could be the shape of the world.

Urwen · 09-11-2021, 06:21 AM

Unbegotten?

Huinesoron · 09-11-2021, 01:25 PM

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You kidding? That's my favourite part! Fine, I skim through most of the argumentation, but the spirit of the debate is priceless.

Also, I gotta say, the greyed out text makes it so much more intriguing to read, but I think I keep subconsciously expecting some dramatic revelation, because it all seems rather mundane compared to the types of things I imagine as I mentally fill in those blanks. Why am I expecting scandalous gossip in the first place? Dunno, maybe I'm just conditioned to associate "Hostetter" with the HOMEXIII jokes?

Oh, there's weird stuff. AROMA is in the password because Tolkien reveals that invisible Maiar can be detected because of their fragrance. If they're evil Maiar, they specifically smell bad.

This is why Sauron only ever shows up embodied - because he knows his BO would give him away otherwise!

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Ellipse? I supose it makes sense, as (H)ELL + I + ESP. All kudos to Pervinca for getting 99% of the word. I would never have made it past EPS.

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

I guess ellipses occur in writing, but I've only heard of an ellipsis and its plural, ellipses, so didn't guess it.

Ah, hang on. G55, you mean ELLIPSE = regular oval? Does it refer to the original shape of Arda?

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No idea what it refers to, but yeah, I was thinking about the shape. You're totally right, it could be the shape of the world.

ELLIPSE it is, and, well, Tolkien drew sketches of the world as an ellipse which bulges in the middle. I'm honestly not sure if I imagined the part where he discusses how the Elves believed in a reverse Arda on the underneath, which of course would be uninhabited because the people would fall off.

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Unbegotten?

Is correct!

(Urwen, you'll be pleased to know that Maeglin gave Tolkien endless trouble when he decided that elves don't marry until they're several hundred years old; there's multiple places in NoME where he tries to resolve it.)

NUMENOR - The numinous root, otherwise known as a gift.
AROMA - Perfume from one Italian city.
3. T - Chronic rails, year by year.
UNBEGOTTEN - A French one, conceived by the first to rise.
RADAGAST - Not grey... not gray, a German guest.
ELLIPSE - In the round, Hell ends, and I am retro-telepathy.
ORIGINS - Let's begin: Oh, snigger backwards, but with me instead of the example.
FEAR - Spiritually scary.
MELIAN - The queen's scrambled citrus - o! Change it for two others.
ENTERTAINMENT - Go in, men in the corruption, and enjoy it.

One left, and it's the first one I thought of.

hS

Pervinca Took · 09-12-2021, 02:45 AM

Could it be TALES?

09-06-2021, 05:05 PM	#11602
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	I'm familiar with quite a lot of the Bible, but not the book of Kings. I'd use biblical stuff as parts of clues. Just not as answers. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

09-08-2021, 02:57 AM	#11604
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,376	You know what, if you're so against it, then let's shelve this one. Huey got the password anyway, so he can go next __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

09-08-2021, 11:55 AM	#11606
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	5. Rad-a-gast? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

09-08-2021, 12:06 PM	#11608
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	8. Wraiths? Barrow-Wights? 1. Death? Andor? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always." Last edited by Pervinca Took; 09-08-2021 at 12:13 PM.

09-08-2021, 01:26 PM	#11610
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	There's Scary in the Eastfarthing, but I can't find anything spiritual there. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

09-09-2021, 05:19 AM	#11612
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,311	I wonder if we're looking for some sort of ghost-like creature with a name that means "scary". Anything called The Horror? I suppose BALROG vaguely fits that, I seem to remember the name means something like "powerful demon". Demon, horror.... __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

09-09-2021, 07:45 AM	#11614
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Is it just a pun on FEA / FEAR? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

09-09-2021, 01:12 PM	#11616
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	2. Tempted to say A-ROMA, but no obvious Tolkien connection. 9. MELIAN? It has a scrambled lime. Although I suspect we have to take IT from CITRUS O, add 2 more letters and scramble it. Unless it's LIME plus A (sort of Elvish for O/Oh), and can become LEMON with a bit of changing. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always." Last edited by Pervinca Took; 09-09-2021 at 04:14 PM.

09-09-2021, 04:17 PM	#11618
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Is 10 ENTERTAINMENT? ENTER + MEN in TAINT. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

09-09-2021, 05:26 PM	#11619
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,311	7. ORIGINS? Oh=O, snigger backwards is REGGINS, with e.g. replaced with I. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

09-10-2021, 03:30 AM	#11621
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	1. Is 'numinous' to indicate NUMENOR? Known by other name(s?) as the Land of Gift. It's SOMETHINGS OF ME (ME as in Middle-earth), I guess. I'd say something like properties or qualities, but what are Melian and Radagast doing there? NAMERS? NADIRS? (Nadirs doesn't make sense at all). __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always." Last edited by Pervinca Took; 09-10-2021 at 03:37 AM.

09-10-2021, 05:03 AM	#11623
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,311	Is telepathy OSANWE, or perhaps EWNASO, if it's retro? I don't see how it fits cryptically but it's worth a shot. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

09-10-2021, 05:08 AM	#11624
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Nature of m-e? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

09-10-2021, 07:37 AM	#11626
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	UNBORN for U? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

09-10-2021, 07:43 AM	#11628
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Unthought? Unplanned? They didn't have the Hostetter book at Oxonmoot. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

09-10-2021, 07:46 AM	#11629
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	ESP can be a synonym for telepathy. Maybe that clue ends PSE. ECLIPSE? (If so, I wouldn't know why, except that it uses 4 letters of CIRCLE and perhaps there were eclipses due to some early doings of Varda?) __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

09-10-2021, 09:16 AM	#11631
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Other than ELAPSE, and Virgil's ECLOGUES, (both more than one letter out), I can't think what other word there is. Unseeded? Unfertilised? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

09-10-2021, 12:30 PM	#11633
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Undead was the first one I thought of. Unsung? (By the Ainur). BTW I knew of Hostetter's book, but not the name of it. It really was just a guess at something to hopefully refer to all the answers. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

09-11-2021, 01:10 AM	#11636
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	I guess ellipses occur in writing, but I've only heard of an ellipsis and its plural, ellipses, so didn't guess it. Ah, hang on. G55, you mean ELLIPSE = regular oval? Does it refer to the original shape of Arda? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

09-11-2021, 06:21 AM	#11638
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,376	Unbegotten? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

09-12-2021, 02:45 AM	#11640
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Could it be TALES? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."