Sauron in the 1st movie - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

09-21-2003, 12:59 PM

at the beginning of the first movie, when sauron dies and 'explodes', all ofhe troops of men and elves are knocked down. are they dead, or just knocked down? if they are dead, it would really be a blow to the human population in middle earth...

HCIsland · 09-21-2003, 01:18 PM

Considering Isildur was pretty much at ground zero and seemed no worse for wear, I would say they were just knocked down.If you're looking for anything more (like from the books) to answer this question it isn't going to be found because nothing of the sort is in the books.H.C.

samrohan · 09-22-2003, 12:54 AM

Sauron does not die. It would only be some sort of energy release as he leaves his "human" shell.It may not appear in the book but looks good in the movie.

The Only Real Estel · 09-22-2003, 04:50 PM

As HC said, they didn't die. Isildur survived, as did Elrond.

HCIsland · 09-22-2003, 05:18 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> It may not appear in the book but looks good in the movie. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I'll second that.H.C.

Elladan and Elrohir · 09-22-2003, 08:05 PM

Personally, I thought that moment looked corny in the movie, but then again I've never been able to really picture it happening. Indeed, how does one lose one's bodily form after the removal of one's Ring?

Maéglin · 09-23-2003, 06:00 AM

That is alot of 'ones' Elladan and Elrohir! You could even say,"Indeed, how does one lose one's bodily form after the removal of one's One Ring?" The removal of the ring kindof fits in with the whole simplified version that Peter Jackson made up (although what use does a floating eyeball have with a ring, I do not know) but Sauron in the books had already lost much of his strength after wrestling with Elendil and Gil-galad. Isildur cutting Sauron's ring when he was already casted down merely robbed Sauron his strength of maintaining a physical body for some time(remember he put much of his native Maia strength into its making, as did Melkor with his creations such as the Dragons.)

Balin999 · 09-23-2003, 09:08 AM

Maybe Saruon just farted and all of those people fighting were knocked by the effect of it. To be honest, I think that exploding scene was not what Tolkien had had in mind. But the scenes afterwards show how Sauron's troops loose control and fall down, as far as I can remember. I guess it's much the same as it's at the end of RotK, when the Ring is destroyed. Sauron doesn't concentrate on his troops anymore, so they falter. I guess that's what PJ wanted to show.

samrohan · 09-23-2003, 10:26 AM

Sauron farting... Tolkien certainly did not have that in mind!!!

kharank · 09-29-2003, 12:11 PM

If Sauron DID fart, i think we know where to find the Crack of Doom...Or even worse, why its so important to destroy Sauron's Ring.....sorry...had to be done (my preciousss)

09-21-2003, 12:59 PM	#1
LotR Lover Guest Posts: n/a	Sauron in the 1st movie at the beginning of the first movie, when sauron dies and 'explodes', all ofhe troops of men and elves are knocked down. are they dead, or just knocked down? if they are dead, it would really be a blow to the human population in middle earth...

09-21-2003, 01:18 PM	#2
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	Considering Isildur was pretty much at ground zero and seemed no worse for wear, I would say they were just knocked down.<P>If you're looking for anything more (like from the books) to answer this question it isn't going to be found because nothing of the sort is in the books.<P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

09-22-2003, 12:54 AM	#3
samrohan Wight Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Touring Minas Tirith with Gimli and Legolas Posts: 107	Sauron does not die. It would only be some sort of energy release as he leaves his "human" shell.<P>It may not appear in the book but looks good in the movie. __________________ I can't believe I have not watched the return of the king yet.

09-22-2003, 05:18 PM	#5
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> It may not appear in the book but looks good in the movie. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I'll second that.<P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

09-22-2003, 08:05 PM	#6
Elladan and Elrohir Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Halls of Mandos Posts: 332	Personally, I thought that moment looked corny in the movie, but then again I've never been able to really picture it happening. Indeed, how does one lose one's bodily form after the removal of one's Ring? __________________ "If you're referring to the incident with the dragon, I was barely involved. All I did was give your uncle a little nudge out of the door." THE HOBBIT - IT'S COMING

09-22-2003, 04:50 PM	#4
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	As HC said, they didn't die. Isildur survived, as did Elrond.

09-23-2003, 06:00 AM	#7
Maéglin Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 99	That is alot of 'ones' Elladan and Elrohir!<BR>You could even say,"Indeed, how does one lose one's bodily form after the removal of one's One Ring?" <P>The removal of the ring kindof fits in with the whole simplified version that Peter Jackson made up (although what use does a floating eyeball have with a ring, I do not know) but Sauron in the books had already lost much of his strength after wrestling with Elendil and Gil-galad. Isildur cutting Sauron's ring when he was already casted down merely robbed Sauron his strength of maintaining a physical body for some time(remember he put much of his native Maia strength into its making, as did Melkor with his creations such as the Dragons.)

09-23-2003, 09:08 AM	#8
Balin999 Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2000 Location: East of the Sun, West of the Moon Posts: 493	Maybe Saruon just farted and all of those people fighting were knocked by the effect of it. <BR>To be honest, I think that exploding scene was not what Tolkien had had in mind. But the scenes afterwards show how Sauron's troops loose control and fall down, as far as I can remember. I guess it's much the same as it's at the end of RotK, when the Ring is destroyed. Sauron doesn't concentrate on his troops anymore, so they falter. I guess that's what PJ wanted to show. __________________ ...Nichts ist gelber als Gelb selber... ...The opposite of courage in our society is not cowardice, but conformity... ...Everything is possible, except to ski through a revolving door...

09-23-2003, 10:26 AM	#9
samrohan Wight Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Touring Minas Tirith with Gimli and Legolas Posts: 107	Sauron farting... <P>Tolkien certainly did not have that in mind!!! __________________ I can't believe I have not watched the return of the king yet.

09-29-2003, 12:11 PM	#10
kharank Animated Skeleton Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 31	If Sauron DID fart, i think we know where to find the Crack of Doom...<P>Or even worse, why its so important to destroy Sauron's Ring..<P>...sorry...had to be done (my preciousss) __________________ High Lord Kharank has spoken