The Greatest Elf of Middle-earth? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

GreatWarg · 05-24-2002, 06:37 PM

Who would you consider the greatest Elf of Middle-earth? Elrond, Legolas, Celeborn, whoever?

My answer would be Elrond. He was in the Last Alliance (reffered to as LA) and he is Lord of Rivendell, the Last Homely House East of the Sea. Other factors: He DID lead armies under Gil-galad, is the Keeper of one of the Elven Rings, is perhaps the most wise ones of Middle-earth (reffered to as ME) and was in the White Council.

And you could say Gil-galad was the most important. He was in the LA, was one of the greatest Elf lords of ME, had contact with Numeanor in his reign, and was keeper of an Elven Ring for a while.

Lindolirian · 05-24-2002, 06:39 PM

Finrod Felagund!!! First of all Nargothrod is awesome and second, i find it amazing that a powerful elven king would give up his life for a ouny man named Beren for some hopelss quest. Finrod is simply ...... the coolest. His dad is pretty cool too.

GreatWarg · 05-24-2002, 06:46 PM

nay nay, better idea. How bout someone out of the way! GLORFINDEL! Why? Because he's not important! Or perhaps, because he helped save the Ringbearer. Yay?

Guo Si · 05-24-2002, 06:56 PM

Curufin, of course [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] I mean, the plan to "save" Luthien was brilliant! Not to mention he...... um...... rode horses very well!

GreatWarg · 05-24-2002, 07:01 PM

lol Guo. Say rather he was almost as unimportant as Glorfindel. hehe. Another unimportant Elf who is really mentioned much! Legolas! I mean, gurlz think he's cute, and he's good with a bow and arrow, but really. How would the Fellowship be affected without him????

Guo Si · 05-24-2002, 07:17 PM

Bah..... just because he isn't important to the fellowship doesn't mean he wasn't important! Like, look at the elves that were turned into Orcs! Without them, we'ed have no Orcs! Wait.... bad example..... um.... Feanor! Without him there would have been no Silmarils! And lots of pointless bloodshed may have been avoided! Or..... I'm just gonna quit while I'm ahead [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

GreatWarg · 05-24-2002, 07:20 PM

See Guo? And yes, this is the Warg you're associated to all the times. What other Warg do you know? Look, Celebrimbor was important! HE created the Elven RIngs! Oh no...wait... it would be better if they hadn't been as ELrond had said. nevermind...

Guo Si · 05-24-2002, 07:22 PM

See? Elves just suck, don't they? Who says we give up on em and follow Orcs?

GreatWarg · 05-24-2002, 07:25 PM

Smart, but Orcs were created from Elves. Without them, there'd BE NO ORCS! So, the Eldar race are the best ME's gotta offer.

burrahobbit · 05-24-2002, 07:30 PM

Not any of the ones in LotR, to be sure, except for maybe Galadriel. I think I would have to say Feanor, though. Unless great refers to fighting prowess or wisdom, I would have to think some to make a decision about prowess or wisdom. For overall greatness I have to say Feanor.

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GreatWarg · 05-24-2002, 07:33 PM

Hmmm...why Feanor? Galadriel hated him; she sensed some sort of thing in him. And if you read Unfinished Tales, then it says he begged for a lock of Galadriel's hair, but she refused to give it to him. And to think she gave some to a Dwarf! Elrond would still be my numero uno choice.

burrahobbit · 05-24-2002, 07:41 PM

Great isn't the same thing as good. Feanor was the only person skilled enough to create silma, and because of that creation the light of the trees will never die. Feanor created the tengwar, the main writing method of the elves for ever after, and also esteemed and used by men for a very long time. Those are some pretty great things. What did Elrond do? Elrond had a house.

05-24-2002, 08:50 PM

the BEST ELF OF ALL TIME = Fingolfin!!!!! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] I love him!! best elf ever. He was a king after all (always a +) but he fought Morgoth ALONE and wounded him 7 times...& tho he died in the end he was the bravest of all. and it said that Morgoth was actually scared when Fingolfin challenged him!!

orlandoandsaran · 05-24-2002, 09:12 PM

There isn't really a greatest elf. Each elf has something.
And without Legolas, the fellowship wouldn't know what was coming for he was the eyes and ears of the fellowship. And without him...they couldn't go into Lothlorien for only Legolas could speak their language.
But there are still more greater elfs in Middle-earth where they are now in the Halls of Mandos or in Valinor.

Gimli Son Of Gloin · 05-24-2002, 10:24 PM

Don't mean to kill your thra greatWarg, but whom would you consider to be the greastest dwarf ever?

Mankáno · 05-25-2002, 12:38 AM

Well, we would really have to establish what period we are talking about.

If we refer to the time of the war of the ring, it's without a doubt Galadriel, the only one who was born in Aman and saw the light of the trees (maybe Glorfindel and others did but they weren't not leaders/kings). Elrond was born in Middle Earth and never saw the light of the trees, he wasn't a calaquendi as Galadriel.

Now if we go a little back (just about 7500 years, I think it's between Fingolfin and Thingol and Feanor. Feanor was the most skilled, Fingolfin the strongest and bravest, but Thingon, having married Melian was very special too.

But if we don't put time limits, I have to go with Ingwe. It's true that Ingwe never returned to Middle Earth, but he was born (awake) in Middle Earth, and he was considered the supreme king of all elves

Veritas · 05-25-2002, 02:04 AM

Gladriel, I like really like her, she's, haven't read the Sil, the greatest Elf in LotR.

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Rosa_Baggins · 05-25-2002, 02:22 AM

hmmmmmmmm I think both Elrond and Galadriel are the best but Legolas was i the fellowship.......hmmmmmbut if i had to choose it would be Galadriel i think.

Rosa_Baggins · 05-25-2002, 02:24 AM

The greatest dwarf, i think, would be gimlis father gloin [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] but gimli was special to though [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

05-25-2002, 02:57 AM

What about Luthien?I know she was half mia,but she was awesome..
Who else took on Sauron,tricked the master of deciept..?
She also has the quality of being an absolute babe! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

pippin_took0 · 05-25-2002, 05:26 AM

I would say... Figwit! www.figwitlives.net

Orald · 05-25-2002, 08:23 AM

These first three quotes are from UT.

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In this he emphasized the commanding stature of Galadriel already in Valinor, the equal if unlike endowments of Fëanor

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Galadriel was the greatest of the Noldor, except Fëanor maybe, though she was wiser than he, and her wisdom increased with the long years.

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For Fëanor beheld the hair of Galadriel with wonder and delight. He begged three times for a tress, but Galadriel would not give him even one hair. These two kinsfolk, the greatest of the Eldar of Valinor, were unfriends for ever.

Feanor's death, from the Silmarillion:

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Thus ended the mightiest of the Noldor, of whose deeds came both their greatest renown and their most grievous woe.

I think Tolkien's careful use of Noldor and Eldar of Valinor does more than just help the theory that Luthien was the greatest of elves. Luthien, Galadriel, and Feanor might be the leaders of the pack, but I think there would be a close race after them. We have Celebrimbor, Finrod, Beleg, Cirdan and several others that all make a good show.

05-25-2002, 08:41 AM

I think Glorfindel, so dreamy so gentle. i didn't like him being left out of the movie. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

05-25-2002, 08:47 AM

I think Glorfindel, so dreamy so gentle. i didn't like him being left out of the movie. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

Lothiriel Silmarien · 05-25-2002, 10:31 AM

Ok, I'd have to say Feanor, Finrod Felagund, Galadriel, Luthien, Glorfindel, and Earendil.
Do I need any explination?

GreatWarg · 05-25-2002, 01:35 PM

Greatest Dwarf? That'd be... Gloin? No... okay, look Gimli, I don't know much about Dwarves; they just haven't been my study. Elves rule though. I still think ELrond, even if he was born in ME, he is considered one of the wisest off all ME, not to mention he has one of the Elven Rings. D'oh, I'm repeating myself.

lathspell · 05-27-2002, 02:13 PM

As for the greatest elf I'd have to say Feänor in the ages past. He was most skilled in all things save in wisdom. Finwë also is in my mind for this title.
As for the Third Age it would be Galadriel. Doubtless she was the most powerful elf in ME, she also was one of the keepers of the Three and she did deeds greater than Elrond or Cirdan.

The greatest dwarf?! I would go for Dain II Ironfoot. He was fierce in was, but wise (wiser than Thorin any way). Durin was maybe greatest of all the dwarves that lived.

greetings,
lathspell

05-27-2002, 02:48 PM

definetely fingolfin he cut off morgoths LEG! [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

VanimaEdhel · 05-27-2002, 04:26 PM

My favorite very important Elves, I would say, would have to be (well, King Thingol was important, of course), but my favorites of the important are Galadriel and Luthien. Coincidentally (pure coincidence), they are both female. Also, GW: the reason you don't know much about Dwarves: not much is written about them. They were very secretive people.

While my "favorite" Elf would be Legolas, I love all of them, especially Luthien and Galadriel. Galadriel more because she remembered the days of old and lived through all that strife. And I just love the story of Beren and Luthien (and Huan the hound! Yay!).

05-27-2002, 04:30 PM

thank you Gorthal!! Feanor was awsome...but not as awsome as Fingolfin! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Kidd2323 · 05-27-2002, 10:30 PM

Fingolfin, the only "pure" elf to hurt Morgoth, fighting him alone and wounding him seven times including cutting off part of his foot, would definitely be the bravest elf of all time. It says in the Silm that even Morgoth feared him.

As for the half-evlven, Luthien is without a doubt the greatest elf, and here is why...
1.)She was considered the most beautiful elf maiden ever-beauty being a noble quality.
2.)She had enough insight to realize that Beren was a man of high honor and that from them would come the rescue of the races of Middle-earth.
3.)She faced Morgoth and her voice had enough power to enchant him and all the servants of Angband to sleep.
4.)While many elves braved great perils, her were the most trecherous, i.e., Sauron's pit Tol-in-Gaurhoth.
5.)And most compelling, she persuaded even Mandos, the stoic, stubborn, hard-hearted keeper of spirits, to entreat to Manwe to release her and Beren's spirits back to Middle-Earth for a time.

Luineglin · 05-28-2002, 08:25 AM

i must say that mine is cirdan is one of the best think about it he saw that gandalf was the greatest and gave him the elven ring and not only that was around along time fought in some wars saved some lives built a few ships what more can u ask for. over all it has to go to Igwe the king of all elves

Orald · 05-28-2002, 01:47 PM

Dwarf? Durin the Deathless, maybe Telchar or his Master, Gamil Zirak.

stone of vision · 05-28-2002, 02:29 PM

I vote for Galadriel. She is so "Elvish"
And for the dwarves: Durin
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Gimli Son Of Gloin · 05-28-2002, 05:08 PM

I would say Thror was the greatest Dwarf.

Keeper-of-Vilya · 06-04-2002, 06:45 PM

As far as the greatest for wisdom and power it would have to be, hands down, Elrond ! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

As far as skill, and beauty goes, definitly Legolas ! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

GreatWarg · 06-04-2002, 06:55 PM

Whoopee! See? Vilya agrees that Elrond is the greatest/coolest/one of the most powerfulest Elves!!!!!

Tarthang · 06-04-2002, 09:04 PM

The greatest Elf of ME? That's hard. The First Age is full of great elves. I think I'll go with Glorfindel, as he was the only elf to my knowledge which was re-embodied as theirself. Anyone who is bestowed with the gift (or curse) of reincarnation has to be pretty special.

Eowyn of Ithilien · 06-05-2002, 06:45 AM

Feanor, creator of the Silmaril...and Gimli is definitely the greatest dwarf [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] brave, wise and charming all in one...every girl's dream guy (other than the being a few feet too short, of course)

Daniel Telcontar · 06-06-2002, 07:51 AM

Feanor is without doubt the greatest craftsman, and only his grandson Celebrimbor is any competitor.

Fingolfin would be the bravest, as the Sil states, when he duels Morgoth.

The wisest elf would either be Galadriel or Elrond, but considering Galadriel's age she is probably the winner.

As for fighters and army leaders, there are many choices, but after The Last Alliance, Glorfindel would take the prize. He leads the army from Rivendell, and even the Nazgûl fears him, they flee from him on to occasions: The Battle of Fornost and at the Ford of Bruinen.

05-24-2002, 06:37 PM	#1
GreatWarg Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2002 Location: East of the Misty Mountains Posts: 339	The Greatest Elf of Middle-earth? Who would you consider the greatest Elf of Middle-earth? Elrond, Legolas, Celeborn, whoever? My answer would be Elrond. He was in the Last Alliance (reffered to as LA) and he is Lord of Rivendell, the Last Homely House East of the Sea. Other factors: He DID lead armies under Gil-galad, is the Keeper of one of the Elven Rings, is perhaps the most wise ones of Middle-earth (reffered to as ME) and was in the White Council. And you could say Gil-galad was the most important. He was in the LA, was one of the greatest Elf lords of ME, had contact with Numeanor in his reign, and was keeper of an Elven Ring for a while. __________________ "What shall we do, what shall we do!" he cried. "Escaping goblins to be caught be wolves!"

05-24-2002, 06:39 PM	#2
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,126	Finrod Felagund!!! First of all Nargothrod is awesome and second, i find it amazing that a powerful elven king would give up his life for a ouny man named Beren for some hopelss quest. Finrod is simply ...... the coolest. His dad is pretty cool too. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

05-24-2002, 06:46 PM	#3
GreatWarg Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2002 Location: East of the Misty Mountains Posts: 339	nay nay, better idea. How bout someone out of the way! GLORFINDEL! Why? Because he's not important! Or perhaps, because he helped save the Ringbearer. Yay? __________________ "What shall we do, what shall we do!" he cried. "Escaping goblins to be caught be wolves!"

05-24-2002, 06:56 PM	#4
Guo Si Animated Skeleton Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: I wanna kiss you but your lips are venomous Posts: 27	Curufin, of course [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] I mean, the plan to "save" Luthien was brilliant! Not to mention he...... um...... rode horses very well! __________________ Gimme a d00t!

05-24-2002, 07:01 PM	#5
GreatWarg Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2002 Location: East of the Misty Mountains Posts: 339	lol Guo. Say rather he was almost as unimportant as Glorfindel. hehe. Another unimportant Elf who is really mentioned much! Legolas! I mean, gurlz think he's cute, and he's good with a bow and arrow, but really. How would the Fellowship be affected without him???? __________________ "What shall we do, what shall we do!" he cried. "Escaping goblins to be caught be wolves!"

05-24-2002, 07:17 PM	#6
Guo Si Animated Skeleton Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: I wanna kiss you but your lips are venomous Posts: 27	Bah..... just because he isn't important to the fellowship doesn't mean he wasn't important! Like, look at the elves that were turned into Orcs! Without them, we'ed have no Orcs! Wait.... bad example..... um.... Feanor! Without him there would have been no Silmarils! And lots of pointless bloodshed may have been avoided! Or..... I'm just gonna quit while I'm ahead [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ Gimme a d00t!

05-24-2002, 07:20 PM	#7
GreatWarg Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2002 Location: East of the Misty Mountains Posts: 339	See Guo? And yes, this is the Warg you're associated to all the times. What other Warg do you know? Look, Celebrimbor was important! HE created the Elven RIngs! Oh no...wait... it would be better if they hadn't been as ELrond had said. nevermind... __________________ "What shall we do, what shall we do!" he cried. "Escaping goblins to be caught be wolves!"

05-24-2002, 07:22 PM	#8
Guo Si Animated Skeleton Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: I wanna kiss you but your lips are venomous Posts: 27	See? Elves just suck, don't they? Who says we give up on em and follow Orcs? __________________ Gimme a d00t!

05-24-2002, 07:25 PM	#9
GreatWarg Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2002 Location: East of the Misty Mountains Posts: 339	Smart, but Orcs were created from Elves. Without them, there'd BE NO ORCS! So, the Eldar race are the best ME's gotta offer. __________________ "What shall we do, what shall we do!" he cried. "Escaping goblins to be caught be wolves!"

05-24-2002, 07:30 PM	#10
burrahobbit Hidden Spirit Join Date: May 2000 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,436	Not any of the ones in LotR, to be sure, except for maybe Galadriel. I think I would have to say Feanor, though. Unless great refers to fighting prowess or wisdom, I would have to think some to make a decision about prowess or wisdom. For overall greatness I have to say Feanor. [ May 24, 2002: Message edited by: burrahobbit ] [ June 15, 2002: Message edited by: burrahobbit ] __________________ What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket, anyways?

05-24-2002, 07:33 PM	#11
GreatWarg Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2002 Location: East of the Misty Mountains Posts: 339	Hmmm...why Feanor? Galadriel hated him; she sensed some sort of thing in him. And if you read Unfinished Tales, then it says he begged for a lock of Galadriel's hair, but she refused to give it to him. And to think she gave some to a Dwarf! Elrond would still be my numero uno choice. __________________ "What shall we do, what shall we do!" he cried. "Escaping goblins to be caught be wolves!"

05-24-2002, 07:41 PM	#12
burrahobbit Hidden Spirit Join Date: May 2000 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,436	Great isn't the same thing as good. Feanor was the only person skilled enough to create silma, and because of that creation the light of the trees will never die. Feanor created the tengwar, the main writing method of the elves for ever after, and also esteemed and used by men for a very long time. Those are some pretty great things. What did Elrond do? Elrond had a house. __________________ What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket, anyways?

05-24-2002, 08:50 PM	#13
Flute the elf Guest Posts: n/a	the BEST ELF OF ALL TIME = Fingolfin!!!!! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] I love him!! best elf ever. He was a king after all (always a +) but he fought Morgoth ALONE and wounded him 7 times...& tho he died in the end he was the bravest of all. and it said that Morgoth was actually scared when Fingolfin challenged him!!

05-24-2002, 09:12 PM	#14
orlandoandsaran Haunting Spirit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Greenwood Home Posts: 91	There isn't really a greatest elf. Each elf has something. And without Legolas, the fellowship wouldn't know what was coming for he was the eyes and ears of the fellowship. And without him...they couldn't go into Lothlorien for only Legolas could speak their language. But there are still more greater elfs in Middle-earth where they are now in the Halls of Mandos or in Valinor. __________________ Vor\|otwen Bloom spouse of Orlando Bloom.

05-24-2002, 10:24 PM	#15
Gimli Son Of Gloin Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Halls of Montezuma, and the Shores of Tripoli Posts: 495	Don't mean to kill your thra greatWarg, but whom would you consider to be the greastest dwarf ever? __________________ The Few, the Proud, the Marines.

05-25-2002, 12:38 AM	#16
Mankáno Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Tirion Posts: 30	Well, we would really have to establish what period we are talking about. If we refer to the time of the war of the ring, it's without a doubt Galadriel, the only one who was born in Aman and saw the light of the trees (maybe Glorfindel and others did but they weren't not leaders/kings). Elrond was born in Middle Earth and never saw the light of the trees, he wasn't a calaquendi as Galadriel. Now if we go a little back (just about 7500 years, I think it's between Fingolfin and Thingol and Feanor. Feanor was the most skilled, Fingolfin the strongest and bravest, but Thingon, having married Melian was very special too. But if we don't put time limits, I have to go with Ingwe. It's true that Ingwe never returned to Middle Earth, but he was born (awake) in Middle Earth, and he was considered the supreme king of all elves

05-25-2002, 02:04 AM	#17
Veritas Wight Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 131	Gladriel, I like really like her, she's, haven't read the Sil, the greatest Elf in LotR. [ May 25, 2002: Message edited by: Veritas ] __________________ With the birds I'll share this lonely view. ~Red Hot Chili Peppers, Scar Tisue~ Laurëfin

05-25-2002, 02:22 AM	#18
Rosa_Baggins Wight Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Hobbiton in the Shire Posts: 145	hmmmmmmmm I think both Elrond and Galadriel are the best but Legolas was i the fellowship.......hmmmmmbut if i had to choose it would be Galadriel i think. __________________ There is ever a Rose without thorns.

05-25-2002, 02:24 AM	#19
Rosa_Baggins Wight Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Hobbiton in the Shire Posts: 145	The greatest dwarf, i think, would be gimlis father gloin [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] but gimli was special to though [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] __________________ There is ever a Rose without thorns.

05-25-2002, 02:57 AM	#20
junglejoes Guest Posts: n/a	What about Luthien?I know she was half mia,but she was awesome.. Who else took on Sauron,tricked the master of deciept..? She also has the quality of being an absolute babe! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

05-25-2002, 05:26 AM	#21
pippin_took0 Haunting Spirit Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Middle Earth Posts: 82	I would say... Figwit! www.figwitlives.net

05-25-2002, 08:41 AM	#23
Jennah Guest Posts: n/a	I think Glorfindel, so dreamy so gentle. i didn't like him being left out of the movie. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

05-25-2002, 08:47 AM	#24
Jennah Guest Posts: n/a	I think Glorfindel, so dreamy so gentle. i didn't like him being left out of the movie. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

05-25-2002, 10:31 AM	#25
Lothiriel Silmarien Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New York Posts: 829	Ok, I'd have to say Feanor, Finrod Felagund, Galadriel, Luthien, Glorfindel, and Earendil. Do I need any explination? __________________ Si vanwa na Romello vanwa Valimar!~~ ~~Now lost, lost to those from the East is Valimar! My LotR page

05-25-2002, 01:35 PM	#26
GreatWarg Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2002 Location: East of the Misty Mountains Posts: 339	Greatest Dwarf? That'd be... Gloin? No... okay, look Gimli, I don't know much about Dwarves; they just haven't been my study. Elves rule though. I still think ELrond, even if he was born in ME, he is considered one of the wisest off all ME, not to mention he has one of the Elven Rings. D'oh, I'm repeating myself. __________________ "What shall we do, what shall we do!" he cried. "Escaping goblins to be caught be wolves!"

05-27-2002, 02:13 PM	#27
lathspell Regenerating Ringkeeper Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Holland Posts: 757	As for the greatest elf I'd have to say Feänor in the ages past. He was most skilled in all things save in wisdom. Finwë also is in my mind for this title. As for the Third Age it would be Galadriel. Doubtless she was the most powerful elf in ME, she also was one of the keepers of the Three and she did deeds greater than Elrond or Cirdan. The greatest dwarf?! I would go for Dain II Ironfoot. He was fierce in was, but wise (wiser than Thorin any way). Durin was maybe greatest of all the dwarves that lived. greetings, lathspell __________________ 'You?' cried Frodo. 'Yes, I, Gandalf the Grey,' said the wizard solemnly. 'There are many powers in the world, for good or for evil. Some are greater than I am. Against some I have not yet been measured. But my time is coming.'

05-27-2002, 02:48 PM	#28
Hurins Heir Guest Posts: n/a	definetely fingolfin he cut off morgoths LEG! [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

05-27-2002, 04:26 PM	#29
VanimaEdhel Etheral Enchantress Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wellesley College! Posts: 1,473	My favorite very important Elves, I would say, would have to be (well, King Thingol was important, of course), but my favorites of the important are Galadriel and Luthien. Coincidentally (pure coincidence), they are both female. Also, GW: the reason you don't know much about Dwarves: not much is written about them. They were very secretive people. While my "favorite" Elf would be Legolas, I love all of them, especially Luthien and Galadriel. Galadriel more because she remembered the days of old and lived through all that strife. And I just love the story of Beren and Luthien (and Huan the hound! Yay!). __________________ "I think we dream so we don't have to be apart so long. If we're in each others dreams, we can be together all the time." - Hobbes of Calvin and Hobbes

05-27-2002, 04:30 PM	#30
Flute the elf Guest Posts: n/a	thank you Gorthal!! Feanor was awsome...but not as awsome as Fingolfin! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

05-27-2002, 10:30 PM	#31
Kidd2323 Animated Skeleton Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 44	Fingolfin, the only "pure" elf to hurt Morgoth, fighting him alone and wounding him seven times including cutting off part of his foot, would definitely be the bravest elf of all time. It says in the Silm that even Morgoth feared him. As for the half-evlven, Luthien is without a doubt the greatest elf, and here is why... 1.)She was considered the most beautiful elf maiden ever-beauty being a noble quality. 2.)She had enough insight to realize that Beren was a man of high honor and that from them would come the rescue of the races of Middle-earth. 3.)She faced Morgoth and her voice had enough power to enchant him and all the servants of Angband to sleep. 4.)While many elves braved great perils, her were the most trecherous, i.e., Sauron's pit Tol-in-Gaurhoth. 5.)And most compelling, she persuaded even Mandos, the stoic, stubborn, hard-hearted keeper of spirits, to entreat to Manwe to release her and Beren's spirits back to Middle-Earth for a time. __________________ "I wish I could go all the way with you to Rivendell, Mr. Frodo, and see Mr. Bilbo," said Sam. "And yet the only place I really want to be in is here. I am that torn in two." "Poor Sam! It will feel like that, I am afraid. " said Frodo. "But you will be healed. You were meant to be solid and whole, and you will be."

05-28-2002, 08:25 AM	#32
Luineglin Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: In a terrible paradise Posts: 93	i must say that mine is cirdan is one of the best think about it he saw that gandalf was the greatest and gave him the elven ring and not only that was around along time fought in some wars saved some lives built a few ships what more can u ask for. over all it has to go to Igwe the king of all elves __________________ All that is gold does not glitter, Not all that wander are lost; The old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost. From the ashes a fire shall be woken, A light from the shadows shall spring; Renewed shall be blade that was broken, The crownless again shall be king. Bilbo Baggins Describing Aragorn Son of Arathorn Heir of Elendil,Elessar-Elfstone of his people

05-28-2002, 01:47 PM	#33
Orald Shadow of Malice Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: right behind you Posts: 843	Dwarf? Durin the Deathless, maybe Telchar or his Master, Gamil Zirak.

05-28-2002, 02:29 PM	#34
stone of vision Haunting Spirit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: France Posts: 69	I vote for Galadriel. She is so "Elvish" And for the dwarves: Durin [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ silmarillien All that is gold doesn't glitter. ********************************* Nee, ai**ara Dare mo ga konna kodoku ni naru no?

05-28-2002, 05:08 PM	#35
Gimli Son Of Gloin Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Halls of Montezuma, and the Shores of Tripoli Posts: 495	I would say Thror was the greatest Dwarf. __________________ The Few, the Proud, the Marines.

06-04-2002, 06:45 PM	#36
Keeper-of-Vilya Pile O'Bones Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Rivendell Posts: 19	As far as the greatest for wisdom and power it would have to be, hands down, Elrond ! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] As far as skill, and beauty goes, definitly Legolas ! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ Few can see where their road leads them till they come to its end.