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Old 01-22-2007, 09:55 PM   #41
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Tolkien's book is not about duality (Good vs Evil), but triality. Three examples are

Eru, Melkor, and the Ainur
Flame Imperishable, Void, and Ea (That Which Is)
Aragorn, Arwen, and Elrond

In the Tolkienian cosmology, each of the individuals in these trialities is both a free agent and divinely attached to the other two

Eru is Supreme One
Melkor is one who desire to be All
the Ainur are Many in the service of the One
The emergent conflict is Ea
Ah, but are those trialities real (as in: things of equal rank/order/nature/status)?

I believe they are not: There is a duality of Melkor vs Ainur. Eru is above. The very duality is measured agains a scale which is Eru - one of the sides in that conflict conforms to Eru's wishes, another does not. But the Scale you measure distance with is not in itself a distance, but thing different from it

Flame imperishable and the Void represent duality, Ea is a manifestation (for lack of better word) of the Flame, but not of the Void, there is no triality here as well

Aragorn, Arwen and Elrond - m-m, I doubt this can be strained to become a triality as well. There are three pairs here - Aragorn and Arwen, Aragorn and Elrond and Elrond and Arwen and the whole carpet of relation threads within pairs and between them. But this is an example which seems out of the line with the two above even thus paired.

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Now, if Eru has a plan for Ea, there can be no conflict. Yet we all know that the stories in the Silm, LotR and TH are conflict narratives
And this requires special attention - I believe existence of the Plan does not exclude conflict. More so, the very Plan makes the Conflict possible. The story is not about attachments, it is about Love and Freedom among other things. The former is not possible without the latter, but the latter makes also pervertion of Love possible and thus makes Conflict possible.

As for the second post, I don't feel duly qualified to comment . Let me sum it up with maybe
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