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Kath · 01-14-2004, 03:16 PM

Ok well in the book there is a bit where they find a dead man lying by a door that he could not get through.
I can't remember exactly but was it maybe Beren?

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-14-2004, 03:59 PM

It is now the dead man by the door. This one is really "under the Mountain". As for the name of the doorkeeper, I don't know it either. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Greetings,
EfR

Gil-Galad · 01-14-2004, 04:22 PM

I was gonna say Durin's Bane

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-14-2004, 04:32 PM

No, the Paths of the Dead are quite the right track, but I still need a precise name. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Arvedui III · 01-14-2004, 06:04 PM

Wasn't Baldor of Rohan the man who entered the paths of dead and never came back, thereby making him the dead man at the door under the mountain?

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-14-2004, 06:11 PM

Baldor was not the dead man at the door, since his body was found only after 'time unreckoned had passed' since the Grey Company passed the door, but he is exactly what I have been looking for. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
Good work, Arvedui. Your turn.
Greetings,
EfR

EDIT: addition

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 7:12 PM January 14, 2004: Message edited by: Elrond of Rivendell ]

Arvedui III · 01-16-2004, 04:40 PM

Ah, I have to ask something now?!? Right, herm...

Alone I wandered under night,
My life was filled with dreadful plight,
I came into a blessed land,
And found a jewel,
a madien's hand.

Gil-Galad · 01-16-2004, 05:18 PM

Eol?

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-16-2004, 05:33 PM

Beren gaining a Silmaril and receiving Luthien's hand?

Arvedui III · 01-16-2004, 06:22 PM

Eol was a good guess, but Elrond has it. It was indeed Beren. Good job.

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-16-2004, 06:49 PM

Thank you Arvedui III. So here we go:

He who by my work can be heard,
fills hearts with joy - but mind!
never stays a longing despair behind.

Greetings,
EfR

Celegorm · 01-19-2004, 07:34 AM

Any hints?

(I can't remember someone creating a telephone. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] )

Gil-Galad · 01-19-2004, 07:49 AM

Illuvatar? or Tom Bombadil?

Samwise · 01-19-2004, 11:19 AM

Gandalf? (As usual, the simple-minded Hobbit has no clue...)

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-19-2004, 12:54 PM

It is none of your guesses.
Try to figure out what quite a lot of people (speaking of races, that is) are longing for.

Samwise · 01-19-2004, 01:16 PM

I still have no clue.

Cidran? (sp?)

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-19-2004, 03:13 PM

No, although Cirdan lived where the longing could be more easily satisfied than for example in Lothlorien. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

EfR

Celegorm · 01-19-2004, 03:21 PM

Ulmo? The longing for the see?

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-19-2004, 03:54 PM

You come very close. But Ulmo = he in my riddle. You have to find out who I am.

EfR

Gil-Galad · 01-19-2004, 04:26 PM

Maglor? his singing brings delight but with despair of the silmarils is always with him

symestreem · 01-19-2004, 04:27 PM

Salmar made the horns of Ulmo, so I'm going to say it's him.

Upon further study I can also tell you that they are called the Ulumuri.

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 7:05 PM January 19, 2004: Message edited by: symestreem ]

01-19-2004, 04:35 PM

Is it the sea-gulls? Like when Legolas hears the sound of the gulls he is drawn to the sea.

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-19-2004, 04:48 PM

Yes, you are also close.
Now you have to combine the idea of "Ulmo" with your idea of "music/sound". Good luck! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

EfR

Samwise · 01-19-2004, 05:25 PM

No clue no clue no clue....

Bilbo singing his last song when he sailed to the west??

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-19-2004, 05:40 PM

No.
Hint: Don't come up with new persons.
All you need has already been said.

Ulmo by my work can be heard,
fills hearts with joy - but mind!
never stays a longing despair behind.

Extra hint: What did I do for Ulmo? ... Well ... something out of white shell [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

EfR

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 6:42 PM January 19, 2004: Message edited by: Elrond of Rivendell ]

Gil-Galad · 01-20-2004, 06:22 PM

i'ma guess Elwing

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-20-2004, 06:27 PM

No, not Elwing.

Samwise · 01-20-2004, 06:31 PM

someone like a special bard of Ulmo's or something? That used a white shell as an instrument? [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img]

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-20-2004, 06:32 PM

Yes, you come very very close Samwise. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
It was an instrument made out of white shell for Ulmo. I would like to have the name of its maker. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Additional hint: The name is mentioned in The Silmarillion, but not in the Valaquenta.

EfR

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 7:34 PM January 20, 2004: Message edited by: Elrond of Rivendell ]

Celegorm · 01-21-2004, 01:53 PM

The Ulumúri have been made by Salmar, but symestreem allready answered that two days ago:

Quote:

Salmar made the horns of Ulmo, so I'm going to say it's him.

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-21-2004, 03:02 PM

Mmhmm ... what can I do now ... leave the board and never come back ? ... I am so sorry symestreem, but I must have overlooked your post. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

The thread is yours, of course.

Greetings,
EfR

Many thanks to Celegorm for insisting. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
And apologies to all those who kept on guessing when the answer was already given.

symestreem · 01-21-2004, 06:34 PM

That's quite alright, Master Elrond. Please don't leave the board! Your puzzles would be missed.

Here we are:

Steward's friend, friend of kings,
Mixed up in all the rings and things.
I was a prince of old
swift and bold.

I know the last line sounds stupid (if the whole thing sounds stupid, please don't enlighten me), but it makes a sort of sense. If this seems too much like a cryptic clue, I'm sorry. Also, name the steward if you can.

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-21-2004, 06:39 PM

Well, I suppose I couldn't have left, even had I wanted to. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

So here is my first guess:

The Prince Imrahil of Dol Amroth?
He was a friend of Faramir and of Elessar Telcontar.

EfR

Finwe · 01-21-2004, 07:09 PM

Boromir? Denethor?

Gil-Galad · 01-21-2004, 07:11 PM

Aragorn was friend of Echthelion II of Gondor and of Thengel of Rohan, of course he got mixed up in the rings, he was still a prince at the age of 87 or something, and was swift and bold

Samwise · 01-21-2004, 07:45 PM

Hm. Don't know why, the first part reminds me of Gandalf...and the second...Isildur?

Gil-Galad · 01-22-2004, 07:57 AM

I don't think that Gandalf was really friend of stewards, after seeing Denethors reaction to him

symestreem · 01-22-2004, 04:19 PM

It is none of these. The steward in question is not Denethor, and it is not the person per se who is swift. It is something relating to him.

Estanesse · 01-22-2004, 05:17 PM

Elrond descended from the high king of the Noldor. Friend of Gandalf who is a steward and Isildur a king.
The swift part doesn’t fit very well, but you never know. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

symestreem · 01-23-2004, 06:32 AM

You're getting closer. The steward is not your typical steward, nor is the prince your typical prince (he is not the heir to any throne). However, the kings are your typical kings.

01-14-2004, 03:16 PM	#1
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	Ok well in the book there is a bit where they find a dead man lying by a door that he could not get through. I can't remember exactly but was it maybe Beren? __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

01-14-2004, 04:22 PM	#3
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	I was gonna say Durin's Bane __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

01-14-2004, 06:04 PM	#5
Arvedui III Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In Rohan, with Carolina on my mind Posts: 629	Wasn't Baldor of Rohan the man who entered the paths of dead and never came back, thereby making him the dead man at the door under the mountain? __________________ I have no idea what you just said, but I'm inspired!

01-16-2004, 04:40 PM	#7
Arvedui III Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In Rohan, with Carolina on my mind Posts: 629	Ah, I have to ask something now?!? Right, herm... Alone I wandered under night, My life was filled with dreadful plight, I came into a blessed land, And found a jewel, a madien's hand. __________________ I have no idea what you just said, but I'm inspired!

01-16-2004, 05:18 PM	#8
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	Eol? __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

01-14-2004, 03:59 PM	#2
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	It is now the dead man by the door. This one is really "under the Mountain". As for the name of the doorkeeper, I don't know it either. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Greetings, EfR

01-14-2004, 04:32 PM	#4
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	No, the Paths of the Dead are quite the right track, but I still need a precise name. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

01-14-2004, 06:11 PM	#6
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	Baldor was not the dead man at the door, since his body was found only after 'time unreckoned had passed' since the Grey Company passed the door, but he is exactly what I have been looking for. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Good work, Arvedui. Your turn. Greetings, EfR EDIT: addition <font size=1 color=339966>[ 7:12 PM January 14, 2004: Message edited by: Elrond of Rivendell ]

01-16-2004, 05:33 PM	#9
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	Beren gaining a Silmaril and receiving Luthien's hand?

01-16-2004, 06:22 PM	#10
Arvedui III Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In Rohan, with Carolina on my mind Posts: 629	Eol was a good guess, but Elrond has it. It was indeed Beren. Good job. __________________ I have no idea what you just said, but I'm inspired!

01-16-2004, 06:49 PM	#11
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	Thank you Arvedui III. So here we go: He who by my work can be heard, fills hearts with joy - but mind! never stays a longing despair behind. Greetings, EfR

01-19-2004, 07:34 AM	#12
Celegorm Wight Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Halls of Mandos Posts: 191	Any hints? (I can't remember someone creating a telephone. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] ) __________________ Namárië! Celegorm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

01-19-2004, 07:49 AM	#13
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	Illuvatar? or Tom Bombadil? __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

01-19-2004, 11:19 AM	#14
Samwise Faithful Spirit Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: #3 Bagshot Row, Petaluma, Ca Posts: 2,299	Gandalf? (As usual, the simple-minded Hobbit has no clue...) __________________ Giving thanks unto the Father...In whom we have redemption through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins.~Colossians1:12a,14 * * * * * * * I am Samwise son of Hamfast, if by hoe or trowel I can get these weeds out of your garden, I will.You have my shears!;)

01-19-2004, 12:54 PM	#15
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	It is none of your guesses. Try to figure out what quite a lot of people (speaking of races, that is) are longing for.

01-19-2004, 01:16 PM	#16
Samwise Faithful Spirit Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: #3 Bagshot Row, Petaluma, Ca Posts: 2,299	I still have no clue. Cidran? (sp?) __________________ Giving thanks unto the Father...In whom we have redemption through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins.~Colossians1:12a,14 * * * * * * * I am Samwise son of Hamfast, if by hoe or trowel I can get these weeds out of your garden, I will.You have my shears!;)

01-19-2004, 03:13 PM	#17
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	No, although Cirdan lived where the longing could be more easily satisfied than for example in Lothlorien. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] EfR

01-19-2004, 03:21 PM	#18
Celegorm Wight Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Halls of Mandos Posts: 191	Ulmo? The longing for the see? __________________ Namárië! Celegorm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

01-19-2004, 03:54 PM	#19
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	You come very close. But Ulmo = he in my riddle. You have to find out who I am. EfR

01-19-2004, 04:26 PM	#20
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	Maglor? his singing brings delight but with despair of the silmarils is always with him __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

01-19-2004, 04:27 PM	#21
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	Salmar made the horns of Ulmo, so I'm going to say it's him. Upon further study I can also tell you that they are called the Ulumuri. <font size=1 color=339966>[ 7:05 PM January 19, 2004: Message edited by: symestreem ] __________________ A Gandalf-uncloaking-free zone.

01-19-2004, 04:35 PM	#22
Tárafëaien Guest Posts: n/a	Is it the sea-gulls? Like when Legolas hears the sound of the gulls he is drawn to the sea.

01-19-2004, 04:48 PM	#23
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	Yes, you are also close. Now you have to combine the idea of "Ulmo" with your idea of "music/sound". Good luck! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] EfR

01-19-2004, 05:25 PM	#24
Samwise Faithful Spirit Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: #3 Bagshot Row, Petaluma, Ca Posts: 2,299	No clue no clue no clue.... Bilbo singing his last song when he sailed to the west?? __________________ Giving thanks unto the Father...In whom we have redemption through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins.~Colossians1:12a,14 * * * * * * * I am Samwise son of Hamfast, if by hoe or trowel I can get these weeds out of your garden, I will.You have my shears!;)

01-19-2004, 05:40 PM	#25
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	No. Hint: Don't come up with new persons. All you need has already been said. Ulmo by my work can be heard, fills hearts with joy - but mind! never stays a longing despair behind. Extra hint: What did I do for Ulmo? ... Well ... something out of white shell [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] EfR <font size=1 color=339966>[ 6:42 PM January 19, 2004: Message edited by: Elrond of Rivendell ]

01-20-2004, 06:22 PM	#26
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	i'ma guess Elwing __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

01-20-2004, 06:27 PM	#27
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	No, not Elwing.

01-20-2004, 06:31 PM	#28
Samwise Faithful Spirit Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: #3 Bagshot Row, Petaluma, Ca Posts: 2,299	someone like a special bard of Ulmo's or something? That used a white shell as an instrument? [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img] __________________ Giving thanks unto the Father...In whom we have redemption through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins.~Colossians1:12a,14 * * * * * * * I am Samwise son of Hamfast, if by hoe or trowel I can get these weeds out of your garden, I will.You have my shears!;)

01-20-2004, 06:32 PM	#29
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	Yes, you come very very close Samwise. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] It was an instrument made out of white shell for Ulmo. I would like to have the name of its maker. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Additional hint: The name is mentioned in The Silmarillion, but not in the Valaquenta. EfR <font size=1 color=339966>[ 7:34 PM January 20, 2004: Message edited by: Elrond of Rivendell ]

01-21-2004, 03:02 PM	#31
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	Mmhmm ... what can I do now ... leave the board and never come back ? ... I am so sorry symestreem, but I must have overlooked your post. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] The thread is yours, of course. Greetings, EfR Many thanks to Celegorm for insisting. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] And apologies to all those who kept on guessing when the answer was already given.

01-21-2004, 06:34 PM	#32
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	That's quite alright, Master Elrond. Please don't leave the board! Your puzzles would be missed. Here we are: Steward's friend, friend of kings, Mixed up in all the rings and things. I was a prince of old swift and bold. I know the last line sounds stupid (if the whole thing sounds stupid, please don't enlighten me), but it makes a sort of sense. If this seems too much like a cryptic clue, I'm sorry. Also, name the steward if you can. __________________ A Gandalf-uncloaking-free zone.

01-21-2004, 06:39 PM	#33
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	Well, I suppose I couldn't have left, even had I wanted to. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] So here is my first guess: The Prince Imrahil of Dol Amroth? He was a friend of Faramir and of Elessar Telcontar. EfR

01-21-2004, 07:09 PM	#34
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Boromir? Denethor? __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

01-21-2004, 07:11 PM	#35
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	Aragorn was friend of Echthelion II of Gondor and of Thengel of Rohan, of course he got mixed up in the rings, he was still a prince at the age of 87 or something, and was swift and bold __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

01-21-2004, 07:45 PM	#36
Samwise Faithful Spirit Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: #3 Bagshot Row, Petaluma, Ca Posts: 2,299	Hm. Don't know why, the first part reminds me of Gandalf...and the second...Isildur? __________________ Giving thanks unto the Father...In whom we have redemption through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins.~Colossians1:12a,14 * * * * * * * I am Samwise son of Hamfast, if by hoe or trowel I can get these weeds out of your garden, I will.You have my shears!;)