Who Am I? - Page 5 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

12-26-2003, 04:15 PM

and when I say Lorien the Maia, of course I mean Lorien the Vala (I really kicked myself over this one)

Gil-Galad · 12-29-2003, 06:08 PM

you could've said Irmo, since Lorien was a place in Valinor, and LothLorien wasn't really a city, more a forest, but finwe is correct and i like a explanation of how you got it...

Gil-Galad · 01-04-2004, 12:09 PM

*bump* finwe

Gil-Galad · 01-09-2004, 05:01 PM

I am the heir
I come in time of need
My father and mother both killed
in the forests green
I come to reclaim the throne
From which the stunted took
I killed the 3 C's in the 2nd of the 3rd

who am i?

01-10-2004, 02:37 PM

Okay I'm guessing Aragorn. My reasons are:

I am the heir - he's the heir of Gondor and the race of Numenor(sp).

I come in time of need - came to Gondor during the battle of Pellenor fields, and saved both Gondor and all Middle earth from Mordor.

My father and mother both killed
in the forests green - His parents died when they were in the north (not in Gondor)

I come to reclaim the throne
From which the stunted took -I'm thinking these are the orcs of Mordor.

I killed the 3 C's in the 2nd of the 3rd - This one I'm not sure about. But maybe its the 2nd battle of the 3rd age or something.
[img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

Thorongil · 01-10-2004, 04:28 PM

My guess is Dior, son of Beren and Luthien, because he killed Celegorm, Curufin and Caranthir( 3 C's).

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-10-2004, 04:34 PM

My guess would be Dior, Thingol's heir.
My reasons are as follows:
- Dior IS (Thingol's) heir.
- He comes after Thingol's death, so somehow the realm of Doriath needed a new ruler.
- Dior's father Beren was mortally wounded by Carcharoth in the green forest of Doriath, his wife Lúthien chose to became mortal and griefed to death, so maybe one can consider her as being "dead" in Middle-Earth, killed also by Carcharoth. (okay I admit this is the weak point.)
- Dior comes to Doriath in order to reclaim his grandfather's throne taken by the Dwarves (stunted people).
- Dior killed the Three C's (Celegorm, Caranthir and Curufin) in the second of the three great downfalls (Nargothrond, Doriath, Gondolin) of the First Age.
Greetings,
EfR

Gil-Galad · 01-10-2004, 08:00 PM

Thorongil got it first, but elrond explained it almost, the 2nd of the 3rd meant the 2nd kin slaying of the 3 kinslayings (teleri of avallone, doriath, sirion)and beren and luthien were both killed in ossriand by Sons or orcs, don't remeber. well thorongil or elrodn may anwser, whoever gets here first

symestreem · 01-10-2004, 08:29 PM

I beg to differ, Gil-galad. Beren and Luthien were not killed (unless it is stated otherwise in something more canonical than the Sil). They simply... died.

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-10-2004, 08:34 PM

Well here I am. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Powerful I am,
Though I am no Lord.
My realm is the water,
but it is not flowing,
still it reaches everywhere.

Greetings,
EfR

Edit: I see now that there were some unclear points about the deaths of Beren and Lúthien. I would agree with the fact that Lúthien died of herself. I hope my riddle will be accepted, otherwise I will delete it.

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 9:35 PM January 10, 2004: Message edited by: Elrond of Rivendell ]

Cathelm · 01-10-2004, 11:45 PM

I don't know if your answer is acceptable, but I'll have a go at your riddle. I guess Ulmo, though I have a feeling it's more complex than that.

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-11-2004, 04:30 AM

Well it is NOT Ulmo. But on the other hand, my riddle is not THAT complicated. I would also like to see your reasons for choosing this or that person, otherwise I can't be sure if my riddle was understood. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]
Greetings,
EfR

Gil-Galad · 01-11-2004, 11:36 AM

Cirdan

Powerful I am-had many ships in his order
Though I am no Lord-wasn't really a king, only a leader
My realm is the water-made boats and sailed them
but it is not flowingbuilt boats on land
still it reaches everywhere-land/water reaches everywhere

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-11-2004, 11:43 AM

Nice work Gil-galad, but I am afraid this is not the answer. The clue "I am not a Lord" doesn't apply to Cirdan, as he was "The Lord of the Havens".
Extra hint: Think about what you can be if you aren't a Lord!
Greetings,
EfR

symestreem · 01-11-2004, 12:45 PM

Sounds like some sort of Lady of Rain, but I can't find anyone answering that description.

Lalaith · 01-11-2004, 01:02 PM

Uinen, spouse of Osse?

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-11-2004, 01:26 PM

And Uinen it is.
She was of course no Lord but very powerful as a Maia. Her realm was the water of all the seas (which are not flowing, in opposition to rivers and streams), and her hair was said to lie spread through all waters under sky.
Please proceed Lalaith.
Greetings,
EfR

Lalaith · 01-11-2004, 03:10 PM

Ok, I'm new to this, here goes:

My nephew's scorn was quite unearned,
my heart was true, my hall was burned.

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-11-2004, 03:19 PM

I am guessing wildly:
Turgon's "hall" Gondolin was burned (<>destroyed) because of the unjustified scorn of his nephew, Maeglin.

Lalaith · 01-11-2004, 03:22 PM

No, that's not it.

Samwise · 01-11-2004, 05:45 PM

LOL....no clue as usual, as you're about to be able to tell:

Mandos?

Lalaith · 01-11-2004, 05:48 PM

Sorry!

01-11-2004, 09:02 PM

I'm going to guess Balin, but don't ask why, cause I'm none to sure.

Lalaith · 01-12-2004, 04:32 AM

Ok, I think a clue is in order...Unfinished Tales.

Gil-Galad · 01-12-2004, 07:41 AM

Aldarion? or Pharazon?

Lalaith · 01-12-2004, 09:45 AM

Another clue:

An angry dog did once me fright,
but I helped a kinswoman in her plight.

Gil-Galad · 01-12-2004, 05:16 PM

Beren? or Finrod?

Celegorm · 01-12-2004, 05:28 PM

Me? Celegorm?

-lost own hall, that's why living in Nargothrond
-honestly only wanted to help Luthien
-Huan -> bad dog
-Celebrimbor didn't come by leaving Nargothrond -> bad nephew

Lalaith · 01-12-2004, 05:30 PM

*tsk* Huan was a lovely dog.

No, I'm afraid none of those are right.

Gil-Galad · 01-13-2004, 04:23 PM

Maedhros?

Lalaith · 01-13-2004, 06:07 PM

No, sorry. Would you like another clue?

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-13-2004, 06:08 PM

Of course I would! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Lalaith · 01-14-2004, 04:33 AM

A small part I played in a tale of woe,
my kin was cursed, I wed my foe.

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-14-2004, 04:56 AM

I'm guessing Aerin.
She was an kinswoman of Hurin, whose family was cursed. She aided Morwen, another kinswoman. She was taken as wife by Brodda the Easterling. Her hall was burned down by Turin Turambar.

Lalaith · 01-14-2004, 06:34 AM

Quite correct!
It was actually she, not Turin, who set fire to her hall after Turin killed Brodda.
"Faint heart is yours...as it was when I called you aunt, and a rough dog frightened you," Turin told her, but afterwards he was rebuked by one of the other men, "she did much good among us at much cost."

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-14-2004, 09:33 AM

Thank you Lalaith.

Challenging I had been,
doomed I became,
buried I was,
till the Heir found me.

Greetings,
EfR

Galadel Vinorel · 01-14-2004, 09:50 AM

Did the Dead under the mountain say that? You know, where Aragorn calls them to rise up and fight for him to fufill their oath. Am I right? [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-14-2004, 09:59 AM

Oh you are so close. What I need is the name of one man in particular who lies under the mountain. But this won't be so difficult, as there are not many choices. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]
Good work so far, keep on. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]
Greetings,
EfR

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 11:00 AM January 14, 2004: Message edited by: Elrond of Rivendell ]

Kath · 01-14-2004, 01:22 PM

King of the Dead

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-14-2004, 01:28 PM

Actually I wouldn't say that any of the host of the Dead was really "buried" under the Mountains; somehow they were still living when Aragorn meets them.
So you have to think of another character - The King of the Dead is wrong. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Greetings,
EfR

12-29-2003, 06:08 PM	#2
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	you could've said Irmo, since Lorien was a place in Valinor, and LothLorien wasn't really a city, more a forest, but finwe is correct and i like a explanation of how you got it... __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

01-04-2004, 12:09 PM	#3
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	bump finwe __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

01-09-2004, 05:01 PM	#4
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	I am the heir I come in time of need My father and mother both killed in the forests green I come to reclaim the throne From which the stunted took I killed the 3 C's in the 2nd of the 3rd who am i? __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

01-10-2004, 04:28 PM	#6
Thorongil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The Elvenpath Posts: 780	My guess is Dior, son of Beren and Luthien, because he killed Celegorm, Curufin and Caranthir( 3 C's). __________________ To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill. ~Sun Tzu

01-10-2004, 08:00 PM	#8
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	Thorongil got it first, but elrond explained it almost, the 2nd of the 3rd meant the 2nd kin slaying of the 3 kinslayings (teleri of avallone, doriath, sirion)and beren and luthien were both killed in ossriand by Sons or orcs, don't remeber. well thorongil or elrodn may anwser, whoever gets here first __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

12-26-2003, 04:15 PM	#1
Melimo Guest Posts: n/a	and when I say Lorien the Maia, of course I mean Lorien the Vala (I really kicked myself over this one)

01-10-2004, 02:37 PM	#5
Tárafëaien Guest Posts: n/a	Okay I'm guessing Aragorn. My reasons are: I am the heir - he's the heir of Gondor and the race of Numenor(sp). I come in time of need - came to Gondor during the battle of Pellenor fields, and saved both Gondor and all Middle earth from Mordor. My father and mother both killed in the forests green - His parents died when they were in the north (not in Gondor) I come to reclaim the throne From which the stunted took -I'm thinking these are the orcs of Mordor. I killed the 3 C's in the 2nd of the 3rd - This one I'm not sure about. But maybe its the 2nd battle of the 3rd age or something. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

01-10-2004, 04:34 PM	#7
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	My guess would be Dior, Thingol's heir. My reasons are as follows: - Dior IS (Thingol's) heir. - He comes after Thingol's death, so somehow the realm of Doriath needed a new ruler. - Dior's father Beren was mortally wounded by Carcharoth in the green forest of Doriath, his wife Lúthien chose to became mortal and griefed to death, so maybe one can consider her as being "dead" in Middle-Earth, killed also by Carcharoth. (okay I admit this is the weak point.) - Dior comes to Doriath in order to reclaim his grandfather's throne taken by the Dwarves (stunted people). - Dior killed the Three C's (Celegorm, Caranthir and Curufin) in the second of the three great downfalls (Nargothrond, Doriath, Gondolin) of the First Age. Greetings, EfR

01-10-2004, 08:29 PM	#9
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	I beg to differ, Gil-galad. Beren and Luthien were not killed (unless it is stated otherwise in something more canonical than the Sil). They simply... died. __________________ A Gandalf-uncloaking-free zone.

01-10-2004, 08:34 PM	#10
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	Well here I am. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] Powerful I am, Though I am no Lord. My realm is the water, but it is not flowing, still it reaches everywhere. Greetings, EfR Edit: I see now that there were some unclear points about the deaths of Beren and Lúthien. I would agree with the fact that Lúthien died of herself. I hope my riddle will be accepted, otherwise I will delete it. <font size=1 color=339966>[ 9:35 PM January 10, 2004: Message edited by: Elrond of Rivendell ]

01-10-2004, 11:45 PM	#11
Cathelm Animated Skeleton Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 47	I don't know if your answer is acceptable, but I'll have a go at your riddle. I guess Ulmo, though I have a feeling it's more complex than that.

01-11-2004, 04:30 AM	#12
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	Well it is NOT Ulmo. But on the other hand, my riddle is not THAT complicated. I would also like to see your reasons for choosing this or that person, otherwise I can't be sure if my riddle was understood. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] Greetings, EfR

01-11-2004, 11:36 AM	#13
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	Cirdan Powerful I am-had many ships in his order Though I am no Lord-wasn't really a king, only a leader My realm is the water-made boats and sailed them but it is not flowingbuilt boats on land still it reaches everywhere-land/water reaches everywhere __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

01-11-2004, 11:43 AM	#14
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	Nice work Gil-galad, but I am afraid this is not the answer. The clue "I am not a Lord" doesn't apply to Cirdan, as he was "The Lord of the Havens". Extra hint: Think about what you can be if you aren't a Lord! Greetings, EfR

01-11-2004, 12:45 PM	#15
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	Sounds like some sort of Lady of Rain, but I can't find anyone answering that description. __________________ A Gandalf-uncloaking-free zone.

01-11-2004, 01:02 PM	#16
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Uinen, spouse of Osse? __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

01-11-2004, 01:26 PM	#17
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	And Uinen it is. She was of course no Lord but very powerful as a Maia. Her realm was the water of all the seas (which are not flowing, in opposition to rivers and streams), and her hair was said to lie spread through all waters under sky. Please proceed Lalaith. Greetings, EfR

01-11-2004, 03:10 PM	#18
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Ok, I'm new to this, here goes: My nephew's scorn was quite unearned, my heart was true, my hall was burned. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

01-11-2004, 03:19 PM	#19
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	I am guessing wildly: Turgon's "hall" Gondolin was burned (<>destroyed) because of the unjustified scorn of his nephew, Maeglin.

01-11-2004, 03:22 PM	#20
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	No, that's not it. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

01-11-2004, 05:45 PM	#21
Samwise Faithful Spirit Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: #3 Bagshot Row, Petaluma, Ca Posts: 2,299	LOL....no clue as usual, as you're about to be able to tell: Mandos? __________________ Giving thanks unto the Father...In whom we have redemption through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins.~Colossians1:12a,14 * * * * * * * I am Samwise son of Hamfast, if by hoe or trowel I can get these weeds out of your garden, I will.You have my shears!;)

01-11-2004, 05:48 PM	#22
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Sorry! __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

01-11-2004, 09:02 PM	#23
Tárafëaien Guest Posts: n/a	I'm going to guess Balin, but don't ask why, cause I'm none to sure.

01-12-2004, 04:32 AM	#24
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Ok, I think a clue is in order...Unfinished Tales. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

01-12-2004, 07:41 AM	#25
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	Aldarion? or Pharazon? __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

01-12-2004, 09:45 AM	#26
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Another clue: An angry dog did once me fright, but I helped a kinswoman in her plight. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

01-12-2004, 05:16 PM	#27
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	Beren? or Finrod? __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

01-12-2004, 05:28 PM	#28
Celegorm Wight Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Halls of Mandos Posts: 191	Me? Celegorm? -lost own hall, that's why living in Nargothrond -honestly only wanted to help Luthien -Huan -> bad dog -Celebrimbor didn't come by leaving Nargothrond -> bad nephew __________________ Namárië! Celegorm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

01-12-2004, 05:30 PM	#29
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	tsk Huan was a lovely dog. No, I'm afraid none of those are right. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

01-13-2004, 04:23 PM	#30
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	Maedhros? __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

01-13-2004, 06:07 PM	#31
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	No, sorry. Would you like another clue? __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

01-13-2004, 06:08 PM	#32
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	Of course I would! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

01-14-2004, 04:33 AM	#33
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	A small part I played in a tale of woe, my kin was cursed, I wed my foe. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

01-14-2004, 04:56 AM	#34
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	I'm guessing Aerin. She was an kinswoman of Hurin, whose family was cursed. She aided Morwen, another kinswoman. She was taken as wife by Brodda the Easterling. Her hall was burned down by Turin Turambar.

01-14-2004, 06:34 AM	#35
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Quite correct! It was actually she, not Turin, who set fire to her hall after Turin killed Brodda. "Faint heart is yours...as it was when I called you aunt, and a rough dog frightened you," Turin told her, but afterwards he was rebuked by one of the other men, "she did much good among us at much cost." __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling