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Calencoire · 06-26-2002, 04:40 PM

Well, I see the two Frodo's pretty much the same, but then again I read the books two weeks before I saw the movie, and I had seen the commercials for it. I have the newer version of the books, and the actors and actresses are on it. But even so, I think that the personalities are very accurate from book to movie, but that is just my opinion.

piosenniel · 06-26-2002, 06:03 PM

Stone of Vision

I liked this thought of yours:

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I like the movie very much and admire PJ's work but what i reproach the movie is, indeed that lack of free minding and imagination. Pictures and images will necessary influenced the people who had seen them as if the characters were prisonners of thoses images. Elijah's eyes will haunt some of us for a long time...
But i also believe,that, if the movie leads to read the book, then one could still find "his/her own Frodo" not totally the same and not totally different . . .

I, too, think that first time readers of the book might be limited by the 'pictures' they have in their minds from the movies. The books are so much richer and more complex than the film. I can only hope that they will be enticed by their reading to savor the story many times. And in doing so, to find their own pictures.

[ June 26, 2002: Message edited by: piosenniel ]

Bêthberry · 06-27-2002, 08:18 AM

I must apologize to everyone here for not getting back to the discussion. I have been exceedingly busy in RL with my young Brandybucks (two graduations, one from elementary school to middle school and the other from middle school to high school) one day after another, plus unexpected visits from family outside the country.

I would like to suggest to Child that she set up a new thread for us to discuss the presence and place of the feminine voice in LOTR. I would like to discuss the significance of the marriages but this is off-topic here. Nor do I have the sense that Frodo's journey west is a loss.(I hesitate to say that marriage is an expectation for everyone.) Since I am new at BD, I do not feel that I know everyone well enough to start threads yet myself.

Greetings to all for their interesting ideas here. It is often enlightening at BD simply to read posts even when I don't have anything to contribute to moving the discussion forward.

Respectfully,
Bethberry

Child of the 7th Age · 06-27-2002, 09:44 AM

Bethberry -- I'll be glad to start a new thread on the feminine in LotR as I've been thinking about some of this myself.

However, don't feel shy about throwing out questions on the board. Sometimes they pan out and sometimes they don't. It just depends who is on that week, and whether their interests or questions happen to coincide with yours. I'm never sure whether something is going to connect or not, but I just put it down and then wit and see what happens.

Estelyn Telcontar · 06-27-2002, 11:10 AM

Hi, Bethberry!

There are two threads on marriage in Middle-earth already existing and I would be more than happy to have new contributions posted there, as they have been "resting" for awhile.
One is [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]Marriage in Middle-earth I (happy),
the other is [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] Marriage in Middle-earth II (unhappy).
I'm enjoying reading everyone's posts here!

Bêthberry · 06-27-2002, 01:55 PM

Greetings Estelyn Telcontar,

*curtsies a cordial hello*

Thanks for providing those links. I took a quick peek but will need time to go back and read them as they deserve to be read. I'm not terribly familiar with TheSilm, though, and my young Brandybucks are home for the summer wanting equal time on the computer, LOL.

Child, I'll watch for the start to that thread. [/b].

Mark12_30, I find myself, when I can get the time, thumbing through LOTR looking at the passages with the female characters, thinking about tone. The thing which originally got me going about women in LOTR was Carpenter's biography of Tolkien. I was not impressed by the picture of the marriage which Carpenter created and that frustrated me. It didn't jive with the headstone on the Tolkien's graves. Or vice versa, I guess!

Bethberry

[ June 27, 2002: Message edited by: Bethberry ]

HerenIstarion · 10-01-2004, 06:54 AM

Updated links to the threads by Estelyn:

Marriage in Middle-earth I (happy)
Marriage in Middle-earth II (unhappy)

mark12_30 · 10-20-2004, 09:22 AM

I chuckle, rereading this thread, to think how often I've imagined sitting on some porch in Rivendell, listening to 'wide-eyed' Elijah discussing something with an elf, and being watched and listened to by a darkeyed, wise, steady, cautious 'old' Frodo.

Once upon a time, Sharon challenged me to make a fanfic out of it. Wouldn't it be fun...

smeagollives · 08-21-2007, 11:29 AM

film-frodo:

*doe eyed-kid
*he is an idealist, warm and compassionate
*he shows his feelings all the times
*not a very strong person
*easily hurt
*he has many friends, but most of his freindships are notr very close

book-frodo

*a middle aged man, does not look to beautiful, just look like middle aged men look
*he is an idealist too, but his idealism is much more intellectual, book-frodo THINKS about the right thing to do
*rarely shows his feelings, but he has very deep feelings
*has a few friends, but really good friends. cares deeply for whole the world, but does not like to be with to many people

06-26-2002, 04:40 PM	#1
Calencoire Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rivendell Posts: 89	Well, I see the two Frodo's pretty much the same, but then again I read the books two weeks before I saw the movie, and I had seen the commercials for it. I have the newer version of the books, and the actors and actresses are on it. But even so, I think that the personalities are very accurate from book to movie, but that is just my opinion. __________________ Where there is life, there is hope

06-27-2002, 08:18 AM	#3
Bêthberry Cryptic Aura Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 6,003	I must apologize to everyone here for not getting back to the discussion. I have been exceedingly busy in RL with my young Brandybucks (two graduations, one from elementary school to middle school and the other from middle school to high school) one day after another, plus unexpected visits from family outside the country. I would like to suggest to Child that she set up a new thread for us to discuss the presence and place of the feminine voice in LOTR. I would like to discuss the significance of the marriages but this is off-topic here. Nor do I have the sense that Frodo's journey west is a loss.(I hesitate to say that marriage is an expectation for everyone.) Since I am new at BD, I do not feel that I know everyone well enough to start threads yet myself. Greetings to all for their interesting ideas here. It is often enlightening at BD simply to read posts even when I don't have anything to contribute to moving the discussion forward. Respectfully, Bethberry __________________ I’ll sing his roots off. I’ll sing a wind up and blow leaf and branch away.

06-27-2002, 09:44 AM	#4
Child of the 7th Age Spirit of the Lonely Star Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 5,133	Bethberry -- I'll be glad to start a new thread on the feminine in LotR as I've been thinking about some of this myself. However, don't feel shy about throwing out questions on the board. Sometimes they pan out and sometimes they don't. It just depends who is on that week, and whether their interests or questions happen to coincide with yours. I'm never sure whether something is going to connect or not, but I just put it down and then wit and see what happens. __________________ Multitasking women are never too busy to vote.

06-27-2002, 11:10 AM	#5
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	Hi, Bethberry! There are two threads on marriage in Middle-earth already existing and I would be more than happy to have new contributions posted there, as they have been "resting" for awhile. One is [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]Marriage in Middle-earth I (happy), the other is [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] Marriage in Middle-earth II (unhappy). I'm enjoying reading everyone's posts here! __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

06-27-2002, 01:55 PM	#6
Bêthberry Cryptic Aura Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 6,003	Greetings Estelyn Telcontar, curtsies a cordial hello Thanks for providing those links. I took a quick peek but will need time to go back and read them as they deserve to be read. I'm not terribly familiar with TheSilm, though, and my young Brandybucks are home for the summer wanting equal time on the computer, LOL. Child, I'll watch for the start to that thread. [/b]. Mark12_30, I find myself, when I can get the time, thumbing through LOTR looking at the passages with the female characters, thinking about tone. The thing which originally got me going about women in LOTR was Carpenter's biography of Tolkien. I was not impressed by the picture of the marriage which Carpenter created and that frustrated me. It didn't jive with the headstone on the Tolkien's graves. Or vice versa, I guess! Bethberry [ June 27, 2002: Message edited by: Bethberry ] __________________ I’ll sing his roots off. I’ll sing a wind up and blow leaf and branch away.

10-01-2004, 06:54 AM	#7
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	up Updated links to the threads by Estelyn: Marriage in Middle-earth I (happy) Marriage in Middle-earth II (unhappy) __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time! Last edited by HerenIstarion; 10-01-2004 at 07:20 AM. Reason: we need no highlight

10-20-2004, 09:22 AM	#8
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	I chuckle, rereading this thread, to think how often I've imagined sitting on some porch in Rivendell, listening to 'wide-eyed' Elijah discussing something with an elf, and being watched and listened to by a darkeyed, wise, steady, cautious 'old' Frodo. Once upon a time, Sharon challenged me to make a fanfic out of it. Wouldn't it be fun... __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

08-21-2007, 11:29 AM	#9
smeagollives Animated Skeleton Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 41	film-frodo: doe eyed-kid he is an idealist, warm and compassionate he shows his feelings all the times not a very strong person easily hurt he has many friends, but most of his freindships are notr very close book-frodo a middle aged man, does not look to beautiful, just look like middle aged men look he is an idealist too, but his idealism is much more intellectual, book-frodo THINKS about the right thing to do rarely shows his feelings, but he has very deep feelings has a few friends, but really good friends. cares deeply for whole the world, but does not like to be with to many people