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11-30-2007, 11:46 AM | #81 |
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Well, I think if I want Nerwen in the running, I have to do it myself, before adding a new candidate is totally out. If she turns out innocent, I'll definately be looking at Lommy as a possible wolf. As I said, I don't find The Might suspicious. I don't see any point in voting for Morm now - there just isn't enough to go on - and I think that knowing the role of Nerwen will shed more light on the Lommy question, while the opposite might not be true.
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11-30-2007, 11:48 AM | #82 |
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What is this aggression thing? You're honestly really making me confused...
Concerning his vote: TM seems unlikely wolf for doing that kind of tricks, but I don't really grasp why would he be that non-helpful and suicidal as an innocent... edit: xed with Rikae's vote... now there's a lynch candidate I could support but it all looks too easy if you know what I mean...
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11-30-2007, 11:49 AM | #83 |
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Hey, hey, wait! I can't refresh as fast as the posts appear!
Looks like the votes appear. Good that they do. Bad that I don't think they are aimed the right way. A few words to the newly appeared lynch subjects: The Might seems a little bit fishy in general, but certainly not just because of his "I will lynch this kind of people" comment. People seem to jump at this, and only at this, constantly without, as it seems to me, taking into account other things he said. I am not saying it's not a good comment for a wolf. But TM acted similarly in the last game, and I don't think it's okay to base all the suspicion of his on this. Lommy, as I said before, does not seem in any way wolfy to me this far. If the quarrel between her and Nerwen is a wolf-ordo fight, then maybe I would be more convinced that Nerwen is the wolf and Lommy is the ordo. Though I don't want to speculate about it already. Nerwen may be a little more defensive than normally, but who knows. Though concerning Nerwen, there is one thing I would like to mention further - wait a moment and you'll see below. Morm. Well, funnily enough, if I had to pick a vote among the three named, I would probably pick him. But mainly because that I consider the other two less possible of being guilty than him. Maybe I am subconsciously influenced by all people saying "morm is dangerous, morm is dangerous" all the time in all the WW games, though I believe I have personally never played with morm (or at least don't remember it, which would mean he did not leave any special impression on me). Otherwise, what he says generally sounds more or less reasonable. But there is something about him that really makes me feel... displeased, that's the word. EDIT: X-ed since The Might
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I do agree, however, that we should avoid lynching more than one today.
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11-30-2007, 11:55 AM | #86 |
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There was definately a sense of Lommy going after Nerwen, pointing out her defensiveness and making her more defensive in the process. I've been at the other end of those sorts of tactics, and it's difficult to emerge unscathed. However, it could also be an instance of good wolf-hunting on Lommy's part. I found Nerwen suspicious to begin with, but at this point, it's difficult to sort out whether her continued suspicious behavior is provoked or real. Not just wolves, but some innocents, behave that way when backed into a corner.
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Okay, hope that at maximum two people will x-post with me.
About Nerwen. Her vote does not seem too okay, given that she votes a person with whom she had some quarrels earlier. But that's not the main thing. What I wanted to mention was this: Quote:
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Whatever the case, when I mentioned Kuru. He is one whose behavior I don't really like toDay. His one-liner comments make me think of an evil sinister little dwarf (something like Mim) sitting in a corner and always adding his comments in a squeaky voice. The comments he makes are not really creatively entering the discussion, rather are pointing at other people without the one who says them actually bringing himself in the spotlight. I need to look through his posts more carefully, but I really don't like his behavior. EDIT: x-ed with Rikae and, now you see a nice illustration, two of these "one-liners" (though at least the second one does not look that bad on first sight as some of them do).
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11-30-2007, 12:21 PM | #88 |
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Lommy - others already noted she contradicts herself a lot. I think a self-contradicting Lommy is an innocent Lommy.
Legate - not sure, but tending slightly towards innocent Aganzir - spoke sense, though only once Menel - didn't say much.. appears innocent.. we'll see Volo - innocent by consensus? Anyway, I think I overlooked his post #42. I'm less suspicious of him now. A good reread does miracles, sometimes. The Might - confused, very confused. However, confused is not the same as suspicious. I'm tending towards innocent. morm - not much apart from suspecting Lommy for being self-contradicting, no idea Fea - genuine, could be anything, hopefully we'll see more tomorrow Brinn - speaks sense, unspectacular Sally - is present, but doesn't add much. Slightly suspicious Farael - mute. I'm against lynching him. It's not fun if they can't scream. A Little Green - makes me slightly uneasy, but even though she knows the game, she's still a newbie here, so she won't get my vote today Nerwen - I reread her posts and she still seems not only more defensive than "usual", but more tense - consistently. In #61 she urges us to reread and reconsider. Very sensible, but also very smart to say when you're among the most-suspected. The idea of Lommy threatening her is very far-fetched. Valier - her "lynch the quiet ones who have no excuse" is worrisome, but that's all I can find Kath - I disagree with her vote for the Might. Yes, she had little time, but still voting for a person who merely "caught her eye" is a suspicious thing. Rikae - very involved. If she's a wolf, she's certainly not afraid to slip. Only few players are more vocal when they're guilty. Shasta - Shasta? Kuru - no red flags here - as grumpy as I recall him That's way too many people looking innocent. I would only be comfortable with a vote for Nerwen or Kath at the moment. |
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I'm not sure what to think of The Might now. Reading post #69, I became entirely suspicious of the "don't lynch me because I'm unique" argument. But then he went off and did a suicide vote...which makes me think he's now just giving up. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think a wolf would give up so easily like that... I find Valier's vote to be a bit odd. Mainly because I can't see what's so suspicious about morm. Nerwen's vote is probably the one I find most suspicious, though. Rikae mentions she's considering Lommy as a possibility, and Nerwen responds saying, "Try this," followed by an attack and vote on Lommy. It seems like she was just looking for a window of opportunity, and grabbed it once Rikae offered. It actually wouldn't be so suspicious if Nerwen expressed slight suspicions, but instead she jumps down so hard on Lommy, I can't help but find it odd.
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Okay, my immediate thoughts about this are: I remember, I think, voting for myself when I was a wolf. Bluffing, as it were. Being suicidal as a way to throw people off. "No wolf would sacrifice herself!" If my memory is false, I know a true memory was me saying "I'm a wolf. Lynch me." and being truthful in that statement. In any case, it was a bluff tactic. Next thought: Voting for yourself is a ballsy thing to do in terms of personal education and education for the group. What happens is, whether or not you live, the village is handed the perfect setup to study the bandwagon approach. It's REALLY easy for any wolf (or any innocent) to say "He's obviously a bluffing wolf and even if he's not, his insanity is dangerous to the village!" and start the voting. From there, everybody can see who says and does what. Voting for yourself/declaring yourself as something is an excellent way (I've used it in the past) of gaging what's going on. My hat's off to you, The Might, for taking initiative and giving the village some controversy to work with. Here's how I'm going to react to The Might's suicide vote: I'm going to ask people to make public what they think about it. Tell us how you feel about such a thing occurring. What's your opinion of day one suicide votes? I happen to think he's innocent and going for the "Let's see whether or not people take advantage so we can study it later" approach. Only I'm stupid enough to do something like actually be guilty and admit it day one. I think.
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Fea's tone and attitude seem innocent, but I know very well she's able to fake it all... Legate's nogrodish teacherly attitude (like Rikae phrased it) looks somewhat troublesome, but he hasn't really said or done anything I'd regard as suspicious, so I'm not really concerned about him at the moment. Of those I've named as my suspects: I still think Brinn's first post is suspicious but her latter posts don't give me any reason to suspect her. Like I've said before, I would not like to vote Little Green today, especially now that she has started to make more sense. I reread Nerwen too. Her earlier posts that used to make me suspicious seem quite normal to me now, but her later posts (starting from #68) seem suspicious. However I have a bad feeling I might be totally wrong about her... It's the feeling that it all looks to easy to be correct. I don't mean Nerwen's overtly wolvish (for she isn't) but if this suspicion of mine turned out to be true it would be all too easy and simple in a way (I really can't explain, it's just an unfomfortable feeling). I think I might vote Nerwen today - she seems definitely most suspicious of those voted this far. I might be persuaded to vote someone else as, though, just as long as we don't end up with a multiple lynch. Like I've said several times before, I really don't see why Nerwen and Rikae are accusing me of aggressiveness. It's odd of them and maybe even suspicious. But as the've both voted they might not be around to explain it to me right now so it may have to wait until tomorrow (provided, of course, that any of us is still alive). Quote:
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I have to disappoint you, Fea. TM's self-vote is 99% inspired by behaviour he saw at Rikae in the last (his first) game. She voted herself on Day 1 and got subsequently lynched, and revealed innocent.
Of course, this raises questions like - is he innocent? Or, is he a wolf hoping people to remember that the last person they lynched like that was innocent, thus, they won't lynch him? Personally, I would expect the former from him. So, I'd think that is an innocentish behaviour for him. EDIT: x-ed with Lommy
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So more thoughts on what I missed while freezing in class: Only partially related to the game: I really want everyone to get out a thesaurus and look up different words for 'defensive.' That word's as worn out as the adjective 'fresh' in a poetry workshop. Of COURSE everybody's defensive. People are accusing them, whether directly or implicitly, of being evil. If they aren't, they don't want to die and have the wolves win. If they are, they don't want to die and have the village win. Either way, nobody's going to invite accusations. Except apparently The Might. Quote:
Are you saying that Kuru saying to lynch wolves is... not valid? I just got so incredibly confused. --- My thoughts on not killing newbies on Day One: I have no weird affection for them. Like... okay, that was badly phrased. The reason I want to let them live isn't because I want them to have time to enjoy the game or because I feel guilty for prematurely ending their gaming careers. I think we should leave the newbies around because I think they're a lot more likely to make mistakes as the game progresses and wolf-stress levels rise. --- Quote:
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Vote summary, mostly so I don't have to scroll through to find them all.
Might: 2 Lommy: 1 Morm: 1 Nerwen: 1 For some reason I bumped into Morm this morning and I thought he felt a little fuzzy. Call it a hunch, but for now that'll have to do, being day one and all. I certainly don't see Might as a furry fiend and thus I'm voting, in a way, to save him. Not really, but I'd rather take my chances among the other three votees (Lommy, Morm, and Nerwen, who I will discuss in greater detail later if I get the opportunity) and hope to find a werewolf in their midst than allow someone to perish whom I sincerely believe to be innocent. If nothing else, if Might does perish I will be sure it was not by my hand. And so my vote must go towards.... ++Morm By the way, great posts today! Hopefully I can check in before deadline. Hopefully.... *scampers off to class*
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11-30-2007, 12:44 PM | #95 |
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Valier seems far too concerned trying to save herself. The way I understood her posts was that since I usually suspect her and have been sucessful in the past, for better and wose, at getting her lynched she better kill me off. The remaining posts seem to be designed to keep her alive, too much so for me to think her an ordo. Call in knee-jerk if you wish but she seems most suspicious based on that.
++Valier Lommy seems a bit contradictory but I'm not sure if she's suspicious. I don't trust anybody who votes for themselves so the Might seems reasonably suspicious too. Volo give me the gut feeling of guilty and not only for his first post but he seems a bit frazzeled and that he is trying to be visible and helpful. Kuru, me wanting to lynch Fea is akin to me wanting to lynch Kath...it's based on principle not reason. Rikae seems innocent enough for now as does Mac
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Agh...you beat me to the punch, Legate. I was about to say the same exact thing.
It's always possible for a wolf to make a self-vote, but it's very risky. I kind of doubt a Were-Might would take such risks, especially since he is not exactly safe. But then again, it could be a desperate attempt to divert attention from him, reminding people of last game and not to make the same mistake. Anything is possible. Well, I certainly don't want to make the same mistake that was made last game if he does turn out innocent. Right now, it's a toss-up to me whether Might is a wolf. I don't want to put him out of the picture, but at the same time I don't want to vote for him toDay. If he's still looking odd toMorrow, I will certainly look more closely at him. Btw, I have to vote in a couple of minutes... EDIT: X-ed with three people
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Speaking of that, and more importantly: because he voted for Valier and I don't think he should have, ++Morm
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I'm getting the feeling that your wits are somewhat sleepy, because you obviously are not catching what I am writing (no offence, it just seems to me like that). I was not thinking you were. I was simply explaining the origins of his behavior, so that you (and others who haven't played in that game) know.
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One thing maybe worth bringing forward, maybe not: to me it seems that Lommy is protecting Greenie. It can be understood, since she must be very excited to see her play at last and doesn't wish her to die too soon, but anyway.
Post #47. It could be taken as a warning: "That was not a good move, do something else." Also it looks like Lommy's taking a little distance to Greenie, maybe in case she'll get lynched. I think it doesn't look genuine. At the end, Lommy states that as Greenie is a newbie, it's possible that Lommy's mistaken and that's only her style to play. Or that she should be given a chance. Or whatever. The main point is that although Greenie has said something slightly suspicious, she shouldn't be lynched yet. (is bolded by me, as it was italized in the original post) Quote:
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Considering Valier herself, she looks quite neutral to me. However, if a certain person(s) turned out to be a wolf, I'd look at her very carefully. I wouldn't be surprised to find at least one wolf among these three. I'm still wary about Nerwen though, and I'm most probably going to vote for one of these toDay. I think voting for Might now is more like throwing away one's vote. I don't think he's a wolf - at least I remember that when I was a (newbie) wolf I was so very, very afraid of getting lynched on Day 1 that I wouldn't believe a newbie wolf would act like he has. Though everybody plays differently, I must admit. edit: xed since Mac
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I don't particularly like morm's retorting vote for Valier, but still, I don't think it's suspicious enough to lynch him.
I have to vote now: ++Nerwen For reasons I stated earlier. Anyways, I have to go now. But I do think everyone will agree when I say let's avoid a double or triple lynching toDay. I remember last time that happened on Day 1. It was disasterous.
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I think the newbie/veteran discussion is in its own way less helpful than the quiet/loud discussion. At least the quiet/loud discussion is focusing on the actions (or lack thereof) of the players and not how long they’ve been around. I don’t think how long a player has been around has anything to do with what one should do at all. I meant it when I said that if somebody thinks another player is acting like a wolf then you should vote for them regardless of other considerations.
Nice selection of candidates at the moment…nice and dangerous for a double lynching… *makes notes about who started voting for who when* We might find wolves among those who are spreading out lynching danger among multiple targets.
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Aaaargh someone please enlighten me on what's so overly suspicious about morm? I reread his posts and found nothing too alarming there.
Lommy is still a big questionmark. I don't really know what to think about her. She has been contradicting herself, but then, she's always doing that so I wouldn't draw any conclusions on that. She seems quite innocent at the moment, but there is something about her brisk organising manner. I'll be keeping an eye on her. The Might's self-vote struck me as odd. I would say that it was more the behaviour of a frustrated innocent than of a plotting wolf. Nerwen seems probably the most suspicious of those who have received votes. Or, the least non-suspicious
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Responding to Fea's request: TM's self vote leaves me a little bit with the impression of a tantrum. He's suspected, he doesn't understand why, he's upset. I certainly understand the feeling, don't get me wrong, but I still don't really understand why he then acted his frustration out. Anyway, because of this tantrum-feeling I get, I very much doubt he's guilty, since a wolf, though he doesn't enjoy it, expects to be suspected and receive votes.
Good points by Lommy and morm against Valier. Still, I'd like to keep her around for at least one more day. I'm putting morm on my "leaning innocent"-list A vote count, anybody? Kath -> Might Nerwen -> Lommy Valier -> morm Might -> Might (TM 2, Lommy 1, morm 1) Rikae -> Nerwen (TM 2, Lommy 1, morm 1, Nerwen 1) Sally -> morm (TM 2, morm 2, Lommy 1, Nerwen 1) morm -> Valier (TM 2, morm 2, Lommy 1, Nerwen 1, Valier 1) Fea -> morm (morm 3, TM 2, Lommy 1, Nerwen 1, Valier 1) Brin -> Nerwen (morm 3, TM 2, Nerwen 2, Lommy 1, Valier 1) Looks double-lynch-dangerous. But since nobody wants one and the wolves probably won't dare to initiate one, it could only happen within the last minute voting craze. I would herewith like to disencourage said craze. |
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morm and TM lead the vote, and I'm very loath to see any of the two go. Since I'm tending to think her innocent, I would dislike to vote for Lommy in order to save them. I would prefer Nerwen over Valier. Kath would be an option for me, but adding another name really doesn't make sense anymore.
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Brinn and Legate have raised good points about Nerwen.
Fea's try at turning the discussion to The Might's self-vote seemed a bit odd and wolvish at this phase of the Day. But from how well I know her I'm not sure at all if she was only joking... Quote:
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I think I could vote for Nerwen toDay, though not yet but a little closer to the deadline. Not too close, however - it will become a total chaos if half the people decide to vote just a few minutes before it.
I don't suspect her very much more than Greenie, but the difference between the two is that Nerwen has gained so much more suspicion toDay that left alive, her presence would distract us from finding the other possible wolves toMorrow. The things I find most suspicious: -What I said in my first post: Quote:
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I will probably vote Nerwen too, unless some more suspicious candidate emerges... which I don't think is very probable.
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I could have told her while Nogrod was on the balcony destroying his lungs....
I think you Agan had a fair point about Nerwen possibly proving a later distraction. I had not considered that aspect.
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Agreed.
In the Thinlómien vs. Nerwen choice that seems to be the best chance we have to limit the damage and keep us from having a double lynching...I'm inclined to vote against Thinlómien...more because she gives the impression of trying to be too helpful...at least that is the way it looks for me. But I won't do anything that might lead to a double lynching.
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Might you elaborate on that? What helpful or pseudo-helpful have I done that makes you suspect me?
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11-30-2007, 02:19 PM | #114 |
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Even though I'm going to vote for Nerwen in all probability, I really don't like the argument of "possible distraction for the days to come". It's a bad thing to vote for a person on the basis of who is going to cause the most controversy. Controversy isn't distracting, it's good to have around in order to have a lively and productive village.
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11-30-2007, 02:19 PM | #115 |
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Okay, from the above, it looks like not in the slightest problematic fifty or seventy votes for Nerwen, so I am not afraid any longer to vote for her. Even if all of those who said that were wolves and change their votes, well, at least we will know them all toMorrow. To avoid further confusion,
++Nerwen
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11-30-2007, 02:21 PM | #116 |
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++Valier
explanation in next post. |
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It can be creating a smoke screen by saying a lot and trying to look helpful.
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11-30-2007, 02:26 PM | #118 |
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Ok, sorry for that. I haven't had time to read the third page at all as I just came late from a film, but I noticed that if I want to have any chance of lynching the person I suspect, I'd have to do it very quickly.
Valier's post #70 is a bit too desperate. I'm sorry that you had too little time... |
11-30-2007, 02:29 PM | #119 | |
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It seems tied right now between Nerwen and I, then the Might and Valier.
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11-30-2007, 02:30 PM | #120 |
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++ Nerwen
Nerwen-4, morm-3, Might-2, Valier-2, Lommy-1
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