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Rune Son of Bjarne · 10-09-2005, 04:50 PM

Never have I been struck by a greef like this.

Why Glorfindel !

Some one must die.

++Pippin

He is small and easy to kick around.

Gurthang · 10-09-2005, 05:48 PM

Down with the females! They must GO!

++Galadriel

Oh, did I just say that out loud.

*ehem* Just kidding.

--Galadriel

I don't like this Pippin bandwagon, it speaks of corruption. I'm not voting for him. There's only one man left, so he should stay. Same with the dwarf and elf, even if they are on the same team. So that leaves...

++Merry

Glirdan · 10-09-2005, 08:17 PM

++Glorfindel

Bandwagoning here people.

Alcarillo · 10-09-2005, 08:26 PM

Glirdan, Glorfindel's already gone.

++Merry

Just so we can have one dwarf, one elf, a hobbit, and a man left. And between the two remaining hobbits, I like Merry less.

mormegil · 10-09-2005, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Glirdan

++Glorfindel

Bandwagoning here people.

Ummmm...he's already gone

Glirdan · 10-09-2005, 08:29 PM

OOPS!!! Then I'll go with

++Hama

Sorry, I was gone all day today and yesterday, soooo... and I just got a chance to come one. And I need to go have a little word with Perky...

Anguirel · 10-10-2005, 12:25 AM

I say we forget the Hobbit race was ever created-awful mistake, far worse than the creation of Orcs. These small, parochial blackmailing thugs have sequestered all the wealth of Arnor and used it to build anachronistic pocket watches and express trains. Stop the industrial revolution!

++PEREGRIN "FINGERS" TOOK

The 1,000 Reader · 10-10-2005, 03:05 AM

Despite the fact it was in jest, your post came very close to crossing the line. Be more careful in the future.

Anguirel · 10-10-2005, 04:39 AM

Am I being addressed? I don't like that tone, matey. My favourites are scattered on the wind, I'm disappointed, bitter and vengeful and I have the right to blimming well cross all the lines in ninety-eight pads of A4. So there.

Incidentally, let's drive for a Hobbit double lynching, my merry men...

--PIPPIN, ++MERRY

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-10-2005, 06:41 AM

Darn! I meant to turn up yesterday and vote for Glorfindel in order to try to save Eowyn, who is a far better representative, in my opinion, of the Man tribe than Hama. Oh well.

So now, to business.

Those of you who have voted for young Peregrine should be ashamed of yourselves. Picking on an innocent youngster like that.

It seems that his fate is sealed, but I feel duty bound to put up a defence for him, seeing as no one else appears to be bothering.

His cheerfulness, sense of humour and penchant for getting himself into trouble have kept both Islanders and viewers amused throughout the show. He has provided hours of entertainment and kept the Survivors' spirits up. How could you be so cruel as to evict him at this final stage?

After all, he is the true hero of Middle-earth.

Together with Merry, he roused the Ents, thus helping to save the Rohirrim from annihilation at Helm's Deep and curtailing Saruman's plans for world domination. He and Merry both also provided the means by which Boromir was able to achieve redemption. And, of course, he was a key leader in the rebellion which led to the freeing of the idyllic Shire from Saruman's evil grasp.

But it was in his sole endeavours that he really came into his own. It was Pippin who alerted Gandalf to Denethor's attempt to take his own son's life. Had Denethor succeeded in doing so, the impact on the morale of Minas Tirith would have led to its fall. Make no mistake.

It was Pippin's quick wits which enabled the Three Hunters to pick up their trail after they had been captured by Orcs (thus leading them to rendezvous with Gandalf the White and, thereafter, assist in the defence of Rohan) and which enabled he and Merry to escape into Fangorn, thus precipitating said Entish arousal.

Despite not being physically suited for battle, he stood with the Captains of the West at the Morannon and succeeded in killing a Troll, thereby saving his comrade, Gimli, almost at the cost of his own life.

And then there is his much-maligned curiosity which, in fact, provided the medium through which a number of fortuitous events occurred.

Had he not dropped a stone down the well in Moria, thus rousing Durin's Bane, Gandalf would not have fallen at the Bridge and would not therefore become the White. The consequences for Middle-earth would have been dreadful.

And, had he not looked into the Palantir, the chain of events which led Aragorn to challenge Sauron, thus forcing him to move earlier than intended on Minas Tirith, thus bringing about the death of the Witch-King and the defeat of Sauron's forces at the Pelennor, thus enabling the Captains of the West to lead their host to the Black Gate, thus causing A Diversion!, thus allowing Frodo and Sam to make it to Mount Doom, Middle-earth would have fallen to Sauron's domination.

It was through Pippin's innocent curiosity that Eru was able to work much of his will on Middle-earth throughout the War of the Ring.

Oh, and he sang the bath song. Come on, you gotta love the bath song!

And you choose to reward him with this? Tsk! Shame on you all!

Although I would prefer to vote for Galadriel, since she thinks that she's got it in the bag and I would love to see her face if she were voted off before the final, I am, albeit with a heavy heart, prepared to sacrifice one Hobbit. But please, for the love of all that is good in Middle-earth, take Merry, not Pippin.

Anguirel · 10-10-2005, 07:08 AM

Excellent. Saucie has fallen into an elephant trap.

Look at him. The cold-blooded satirist, the one who goes on about Survivor having to be good telly, and all that jazz, the one who, when necessary, claims that LOTR itself is a pack of lies.

In his hour of ascendancy, my friendies, Saucie toppled Samwise and Frodo, (with my help, I don't deny) calling Sam corrupt and Frodo a wimp. He it was who led the culling of Elves in the post-Celeborn rush, such as the fey but immensely watchable Thranduil, and the venerable Cirdan.

He it was who tore down Faramir, sensitive poet and pacifist, calling him a bloodstained brigand and extortioner on the scale of King John. He it was who tried to defend Grishnakh over Eomer. He it was who used risible and contradictory arguments to discredit Eomer and Eowyn, gabbling every needle-point he could; one moment saying they didn't make good footage, another that they were goodie-goodies, another that they were "jocks".

Now this steely politician shows his heart-and, citizens of the Downs, I entreat to stab into it. Strike the blow against Pippin, whether you wish to avenge Sam, Frodo, Celeborn, Aragorn, Faramir, Eomer, or Eowyn. It all amounts to the same thing.

This Machiavellian cynic had no mercy for your favourite characters, Downers. Let him receive none!

--MERRY, ++PIPPIN

PS Saucie, don't try and defend Pippin with quotations from the books. We know it's all made up; Pippin spent the War of the Ring at home regularly attempting to murder his father...

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-10-2005, 07:23 AM

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Excellent. Saucie has fallen into an elephant trap.

If a trap it be, it is one that I have gladly walked into with my eyes fully open. It's the least that I can do to defend the gallant little Hobbit. I can hardly stand by and let him go undefended while the baying mob calls for his blood.

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The cold-blooded satirist ...

You are too kind. But you honour me with far too much credit here. I have merely played my part, as have all others who have voted.

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... the one who goes on about Survivor having to be good telly ...

Guilty as charged. Pippin makes good telly.

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... the one who, when necessary, claims that LOTR itself is a pack of lies ...

It is a curious fact that, as regards the adventures of Merry and Pippin, the Red Book is suprisingly accurate.

Really, Anguirel, I never realised that I had so much influence. As you offer it to me, and since it seems to have irked you so, I will gladly take the credit for bringing down all those frauds. The sad truth, however, is that I have little influence here. Those who wield the influence in this thread do so in much more devious and murky ways than I, using devices that I would not stoop so low as to use.

But hear this. All that I have ever done has been in the interests of keeping the show interesting and the tribes equally distributed. See, I am even prepared to sacrifice a Hobbit to further this aim.

Pippin is clearly going to-Day, whatever happens. But the symbolic nature of your re-vote for him is noted, Ang. It does you no credit.

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Pippin spent the War of the Ring at home regularly attempting to murder his father...

*Turns other cheek*

Lalaith · 10-10-2005, 09:02 AM

*claps excitedly*

Ang vs Saucie! Give them their own programme! Much better even than Survivor...

the guy who be short · 10-10-2005, 10:55 AM

++Galadriel

Come on people. She's evil. And ruined the last round. And occasionally green. And rebellious. And evil. Gee, I could go on for years...

Formendacil · 10-10-2005, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by the guy who be short

++Galadriel

Come on people. She's evil. And ruined the last round. And occasionally green. And rebellious. And evil. Gee, I could go on for years...

I already did.

++Galadriel

Boromir88 · 10-10-2005, 11:49 AM

You know what...tgwbs is right! Galadriel is evil. If it wasn't for her telling Boromir she wanted the Ring, he wouldn't have gone after Frodo. She killed me, that temptress!

++Galadriel

Celuien · 10-10-2005, 12:11 PM

Galadriel is most certainly not evil! Let's review the evidence against her...

Boromir88 states that she was responsible for his counterpart's demise. Entirely untrue. Galadriel only showed what the members of the Fellowship already had in their minds, although they might not have consciously been aware of it yet. Any insight she gave Boromir into his hidden desires saved the Quest. What if his desire for the Ring had come to the surface in Mordor? Disaster. It was only because the confrontation took place early that Frodo was able to escape with the Ring and fulfill his mission.

Yes, Galadriel has her faults. But she was able to conquer her faults through wisdom - wisdom earned through hardship and the pain of knowing that all of her works would come to nothing in the end. Yet she did not despair or yield to her temptation to take the Ring. Rather, she chose to reject the Shadow though she doomed her own realm along with it.

Have pity on Galadriel, last of the Elves on the island! The future of Middle-earth has been given to mortals. To the Elves is granted only memory of the past and a longing for the greatness that might have been had Arda not been marred by Morgoth. Even if the Hobbits/Man lose on Survivor, they have still won a victory that the Elves cannot: they will ultimately control the future of Middle-earth. Give Galadriel one triumph before she must diminish and sail into the West by allowing her to become the Survivor victor.

++PIPPIN

Anguirel · 10-10-2005, 12:21 PM

I was about to defend Galadriel.

Then I remembered that in this perverse game, if you defend someone they get evicted within a couple of days.

Sooo...

We return to the elementary question; what makes the best Reality Telly?

((This post-modern approach is so ironic. Half us probably haven't seen a single episode of Big Brother, Survivor, or that ilk...I must confess to having watched the former once. I was disgusted to see them picking on an unfortunate, ah, lass called Kitten))

First, we have Merry and Pippin. Their chirpy humour went down well at first, but really it's running thin now, especially as the tabloids have exposed Pippin's faked university CV and Merry's past as a pot-dealer. Pippin is a whining child of privilege and Merry is just so flipping responsible, while being self-effacing and lost-looking. Depressing showing. Voters' favourites to go.

Then we have Hama. Unpopular beaverish beard hides chummy, matey behaviour and dogged loyalty, but not much else. Aragorn's gone so he can't deyfy anyone, and Eomer's gone so he can't obey anyone. He's a rebel/doorkeeper without a cause.

Then Gimli. Actually makes pretty funny jokes, and is a most efficient worker, but is getting disillusioned, crabby, violent and whenever possible drunk. Still definitely worth keeping around.

And Galadriel. A gift to the screen. A gift to the viewers. Makes interaction electric. All the boys are dying to serve her. Throw her off and they'll be listless and purposeless. Keep her on...and the duels and excitement will continue.

Remember people said evicting Grishnakh would stop arguments and take down ratings? Well, Galadriel is a much more powerful version of this situation. Come on, people. Killing Orcs is one thing, straightforward military bragging, like some interminable game of rugby in the Welsh drizzle. But really captivating arguments are the ones that rend the side of good, whether it be the Elves over the Silmarils, the Free Peoples over the rings, or the Elves, Lakemen and Dwarves over Smaug's hoard. This gets even better when Romance is involved. Love triangles. Daeron-Luthien-Beren. Arwen-Aragorn-Eowyn. Aragorn-Eowyn-Faramir.

And Galadriel has had many lovers, all in vain. Feanor, Celebrimbor, Gimli.

Gimli who is still here.

Give that up, and you're really not a judge of good television.

arcticstorm · 10-10-2005, 12:35 PM

--Pippin
++Merry

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-10-2005, 12:36 PM

Depends what you want out of your television shows.

Personally, I prefer simple, harmless fun to watching some old Elvish bint well past her sell-by date trying desperately to flaunt her stuff for the cameras. She's so transparent. It's clear that she's just in the show to try and get a modelling contract. Whereas Merry and, especially Pippin, have a great future in light entertainment. All hail the next (little) Ant and Dec.

++ GALADRIEL

Celuien · 10-10-2005, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Anguirel

I was about to defend Galadriel.

Then I remembered that in this perverse game, if you defend someone they get evicted within a couple of days.

That's part of the reason (in addition to my stupid 80 hour a week work schedule) that I've been keeping a low profile. But I couldn't stand back and watch the Lady being maligned so cruelly. I only hope that she'll make it to the final round. One more day after this, if I'm not mistaken?

mormegil · 10-10-2005, 12:38 PM

Yes but also good television would dictate that the victor should be a surprise. If Galadriel makes it to the final it's almost certain that she will win. How wonderful would it be if instead of Galadriel or a member of the fellowship we had Hama as our champion. I didn't think that Galadriel would get any support for eviction today but she is behind on her rent payments

--Pippin
++Galadriel

arcticstorm · 10-10-2005, 12:40 PM

--Merry++Galadriel

Folwren · 10-10-2005, 12:49 PM

I feel suddenly sick.

Eowyn...gone?

I feel very sick indeed.

-- Folwren

Anguirel · 10-10-2005, 12:58 PM

Oh God. All these blasted television watchers making obscure jokes about celebrities I don't understand. I want the feudal system back, quickly.

There's becoming a real risk that the coward, deserter and arsonist Took might yet escape the net.

Need I dwell on his dallyings with floosies that drove Diamond to drink and drugs despair?

His fast-track finance fraud fiddling as Thain that flooded the Farthing?

His military mousishness, measliness, mercernary maunderings?

No, Downers, I leave it entirely to your good taste. Ensure that the hairy-footed halitosic half-hearted hooligan is shown, ah, what I believe is known as the Red Card...

Lalaith · 10-10-2005, 01:00 PM

Well well well my fine fellows.

So its going to be Eowyn yesterday, Galadriel today?
What was that you said yesterday Saucie

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Schmail/Schemail. It's not so much the gender of the contestants as their characters and the tribal mix that I am concerned with.

This is a family site so I'll say it in a nice Victorian way: pull the other one, it's got bells on.

You bright, happy, brave and optimistic young girls of the Downs, I hope you're all watching this and seeing what life on this Hither Shore has in store for you....

*shakes head in sorrow, diminishes, departs to West*

Anguirel · 10-10-2005, 01:19 PM

Wait, Lalaith! Someone slip me a harp...I want to join you as Elrond...

Or should I stay behind and fight the good fight as Celeborn?

Should I stay or should I go? (Not so pop culture unaware after all, eh, eh, you may say...)

You, voters, decide. Strive on beside me and expel Pippin. He's nothing better than a Gollum from a better background...

WaynetheGoblin · 10-10-2005, 01:22 PM

--pipin
++galadriel.

Anguirel · 10-10-2005, 01:23 PM

Flippin' glory supporter...

the guy who be short · 10-10-2005, 01:46 PM

Ah, for an evil smiley.

A toast to conformity.

Boromir88 · 10-10-2005, 02:53 PM

Galadriel- 7
Pippin- 6
Hama- 2
Merry- 1
Gimli- 1

Anguirel · 10-10-2005, 02:56 PM

Et tu, Folwrene?

Nonnacedak · 10-10-2005, 02:59 PM

++Galadriel

I hope that does it.

Glirdan · 10-10-2005, 03:29 PM

NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! GET RID OF HAMA!!!! WE CAN'T LOSE GALADRIEL!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Boromir88 · 10-10-2005, 03:37 PM

That does do it Nonna.

Caiao Madame Galadriel. I guess everyone decided Galadriel needed to go when she delivered her "I will be a QUEEN! Dark Yet beautiful as the Dawn, when I Win!!! Muahahaha!" speech.

Dwarf
Gimli

Hobbits
Merry
Pippin

Man
Hama

Last day until the finale, I shall with-hold my vote incase if we happen to have a double-castaway. So, don't force me make a decision.

Lalaith · 10-10-2005, 03:40 PM

This is going to be about as interesting as the Big Brother when that deadly-dull Orkney fisherman won.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 10-10-2005, 03:42 PM

I have lost all. There is nothing left for me here, nobody worthy of winning !

I do not think i will be posting again any time soon.

My only comfort is that Eowyn got the kick.

Formendacil · 10-10-2005, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Lalaith

This is going to be about as interesting as the Big Brother when that deadly-dull Orkney fisherman won.

Come now! A rascally mushroom-thieving Fool of a Took with no sense of risk? A weed-smoking, intelligent, letting-others-take the risks, Hobbit in tweeds? A distraught lover with only three strands of hair as a memory, coupled with an incredibly violent axe? An arrogant Rider, the stickler for the rules, and intent on removing the axe from the Dwarf?

Interesting is the right word to use, and not in a sarcastic sense.

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-10-2005, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Lalaith

This is a family site so I'll say it in a nice Victorian way: pull the other one, it's got bells on.

Actually, Lal, I spoke the truth. I liked Eowyn and would have voted to save her had I been here. But Galadriel? She thought that it was a done deal. She thought that she had seen what would yet come to pass. Happily, her Mirror showed her things that were, and things that are, and things that ain't never gonna happen. That's what you get for relying on Magic Mirrors.

Now that there is one in each tribe save the Hobbit Tribe, I shall hold true to my stated aim of maintaining equilibrium. Reluctantly, but dutifully, I shall oblige in the eviction of Merry - but I beseech ye all, every one, please leave Master Peregrine alone. After all that he has been through, the plucky little fella deserves to be in the final.

mormegil · 10-10-2005, 03:52 PM

Sorry SpM we diverge here.

I prefer Merry to Pippin

++Pippin

10-09-2005, 05:48 PM	#1082
Gurthang Sword of Spirit Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Oh, I'm around. Posts: 1,401	Down with the females! They must GO! ++Galadriel Oh, did I just say that out loud. ehem Just kidding. --Galadriel I don't like this Pippin bandwagon, it speaks of corruption. I'm not voting for him. There's only one man left, so he should stay. Same with the dwarf and elf, even if they are on the same team. So that leaves... ++Merry __________________ I'm on a Mission from God.

10-09-2005, 08:17 PM	#1083
Glirdan Energetic Essence Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Where Lark Nor Eagle Ever Flew Posts: 3,285	++Glorfindel Bandwagoning here people. __________________ *I'm going to buy you a kitty, I'm going to let you fall in love with the kitty, and one cold, winter night, I'm going to steal into your house and punch you in the face!* Fenris Wolf

10-09-2005, 08:29 PM	#1086
Glirdan Energetic Essence Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Where Lark Nor Eagle Ever Flew Posts: 3,285	OOPS!!! Then I'll go with ++Hama Sorry, I was gone all day today and yesterday, soooo... and I just got a chance to come one. And I need to go have a little word with Perky... __________________ *I'm going to buy you a kitty, I'm going to let you fall in love with the kitty, and one cold, winter night, I'm going to steal into your house and punch you in the face!* Fenris Wolf

10-10-2005, 12:25 AM	#1087
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	I say we forget the Hobbit race was ever created-awful mistake, far worse than the creation of Orcs. These small, parochial blackmailing thugs have sequestered all the wealth of Arnor and used it to build anachronistic pocket watches and express trains. Stop the industrial revolution! ++PEREGRIN "FINGERS" TOOK __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

10-10-2005, 04:39 AM	#1089
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Am I being addressed? I don't like that tone, matey. My favourites are scattered on the wind, I'm disappointed, bitter and vengeful and I have the right to blimming well cross all the lines in ninety-eight pads of A4. So there. Incidentally, let's drive for a Hobbit double lynching, my merry men... --PIPPIN, ++MERRY __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

10-09-2005, 08:26 PM	#1084
Alcarillo Shadow of the Past Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Minas Mor-go Posts: 1,007	Glirdan, Glorfindel's already gone. ++Merry Just so we can have one dwarf, one elf, a hobbit, and a man left. And between the two remaining hobbits, I like Merry less.

10-10-2005, 03:05 AM	#1088
The 1,000 Reader Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: I don't know. Eastern ME doesn't have maps. Posts: 527	Despite the fact it was in jest, your post came very close to crossing the line. Be more careful in the future.

10-10-2005, 06:41 AM	#1090
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	And now, an impassioned plea on behalf of the SPP (Save Pippin Party) Darn! I meant to turn up yesterday and vote for Glorfindel in order to try to save Eowyn, who is a far better representative, in my opinion, of the Man tribe than Hama. Oh well. So now, to business. Those of you who have voted for young Peregrine should be ashamed of yourselves. Picking on an innocent youngster like that. It seems that his fate is sealed, but I feel duty bound to put up a defence for him, seeing as no one else appears to be bothering. His cheerfulness, sense of humour and penchant for getting himself into trouble have kept both Islanders and viewers amused throughout the show. He has provided hours of entertainment and kept the Survivors' spirits up. How could you be so cruel as to evict him at this final stage? After all, he is the true hero of Middle-earth. Together with Merry, he roused the Ents, thus helping to save the Rohirrim from annihilation at Helm's Deep and curtailing Saruman's plans for world domination. He and Merry both also provided the means by which Boromir was able to achieve redemption. And, of course, he was a key leader in the rebellion which led to the freeing of the idyllic Shire from Saruman's evil grasp. But it was in his sole endeavours that he really came into his own. It was Pippin who alerted Gandalf to Denethor's attempt to take his own son's life. Had Denethor succeeded in doing so, the impact on the morale of Minas Tirith would have led to its fall. Make no mistake. It was Pippin's quick wits which enabled the Three Hunters to pick up their trail after they had been captured by Orcs (thus leading them to rendezvous with Gandalf the White and, thereafter, assist in the defence of Rohan) and which enabled he and Merry to escape into Fangorn, thus precipitating said Entish arousal. Despite not being physically suited for battle, he stood with the Captains of the West at the Morannon and succeeded in killing a Troll, thereby saving his comrade, Gimli, almost at the cost of his own life. And then there is his much-maligned curiosity which, in fact, provided the medium through which a number of fortuitous events occurred. Had he not dropped a stone down the well in Moria, thus rousing Durin's Bane, Gandalf would not have fallen at the Bridge and would not therefore become the White. The consequences for Middle-earth would have been dreadful. And, had he not looked into the Palantir, the chain of events which led Aragorn to challenge Sauron, thus forcing him to move earlier than intended on Minas Tirith, thus bringing about the death of the Witch-King and the defeat of Sauron's forces at the Pelennor, thus enabling the Captains of the West to lead their host to the Black Gate, thus causing A Diversion!, thus allowing Frodo and Sam to make it to Mount Doom, Middle-earth would have fallen to Sauron's domination. It was through Pippin's innocent curiosity that Eru was able to work much of his will on Middle-earth throughout the War of the Ring. Oh, and he sang the bath song. Come on, you gotta love the bath song! And you choose to reward him with this? Tsk! Shame on you all! Although I would prefer to vote for Galadriel, since she thinks that she's got it in the bag and I would love to see her face if she were voted off before the final, I am, albeit with a heavy heart, prepared to sacrifice one Hobbit. But please, for the love of all that is good in Middle-earth, take Merry, not Pippin. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

10-10-2005, 07:08 AM	#1091
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Excellent. Saucie has fallen into an elephant trap. Look at him. The cold-blooded satirist, the one who goes on about Survivor having to be good telly, and all that jazz, the one who, when necessary, claims that LOTR itself is a pack of lies. In his hour of ascendancy, my friendies, Saucie toppled Samwise and Frodo, (with my help, I don't deny) calling Sam corrupt and Frodo a wimp. He it was who led the culling of Elves in the post-Celeborn rush, such as the fey but immensely watchable Thranduil, and the venerable Cirdan. He it was who tore down Faramir, sensitive poet and pacifist, calling him a bloodstained brigand and extortioner on the scale of King John. He it was who tried to defend Grishnakh over Eomer. He it was who used risible and contradictory arguments to discredit Eomer and Eowyn, gabbling every needle-point he could; one moment saying they didn't make good footage, another that they were goodie-goodies, another that they were "jocks". Now this steely politician shows his heart-and, citizens of the Downs, I entreat to stab into it. Strike the blow against Pippin, whether you wish to avenge Sam, Frodo, Celeborn, Aragorn, Faramir, Eomer, or Eowyn. It all amounts to the same thing. This Machiavellian cynic had no mercy for your favourite characters, Downers. Let him receive none! --MERRY, ++PIPPIN PS Saucie, don't try and defend Pippin with quotations from the books. We know it's all made up; Pippin spent the War of the Ring at home regularly attempting to murder his father... __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

10-10-2005, 09:02 AM	#1093
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	claps excitedly Ang vs Saucie! Give them their own programme! Much better even than Survivor... __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

10-10-2005, 10:55 AM	#1094
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	++Galadriel Come on people. She's evil. And ruined the last round. And occasionally green. And rebellious. And evil. Gee, I could go on for years...

10-10-2005, 11:49 AM	#1096
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,515	You know what...tgwbs is right! Galadriel is evil. If it wasn't for her telling Boromir she wanted the Ring, he wouldn't have gone after Frodo. She killed me, that temptress! ++Galadriel __________________ Fenris Penguin

10-10-2005, 12:11 PM	#1097
Celuien Riveting Ribbiter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Assigned to Mordor Posts: 1,767	Galadriel is most certainly not evil! Let's review the evidence against her... Boromir88 states that she was responsible for his counterpart's demise. Entirely untrue. Galadriel only showed what the members of the Fellowship already had in their minds, although they might not have consciously been aware of it yet. Any insight she gave Boromir into his hidden desires saved the Quest. What if his desire for the Ring had come to the surface in Mordor? Disaster. It was only because the confrontation took place early that Frodo was able to escape with the Ring and fulfill his mission. Yes, Galadriel has her faults. But she was able to conquer her faults through wisdom - wisdom earned through hardship and the pain of knowing that all of her works would come to nothing in the end. Yet she did not despair or yield to her temptation to take the Ring. Rather, she chose to reject the Shadow though she doomed her own realm along with it. Have pity on Galadriel, last of the Elves on the island! The future of Middle-earth has been given to mortals. To the Elves is granted only memory of the past and a longing for the greatness that might have been had Arda not been marred by Morgoth. Even if the Hobbits/Man lose on Survivor, they have still won a victory that the Elves cannot: they will ultimately control the future of Middle-earth. Give Galadriel one triumph before she must diminish and sail into the West by allowing her to become the Survivor victor. ++PIPPIN __________________ People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect. But actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff.

10-10-2005, 12:21 PM	#1098
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	I was about to defend Galadriel. Then I remembered that in this perverse game, if you defend someone they get evicted within a couple of days. Sooo... We return to the elementary question; what makes the best Reality Telly? ((This post-modern approach is so ironic. Half us probably haven't seen a single episode of Big Brother, Survivor, or that ilk...I must confess to having watched the former once. I was disgusted to see them picking on an unfortunate, ah, lass called Kitten)) First, we have Merry and Pippin. Their chirpy humour went down well at first, but really it's running thin now, especially as the tabloids have exposed Pippin's faked university CV and Merry's past as a pot-dealer. Pippin is a whining child of privilege and Merry is just so flipping responsible, while being self-effacing and lost-looking. Depressing showing. Voters' favourites to go. Then we have Hama. Unpopular beaverish beard hides chummy, matey behaviour and dogged loyalty, but not much else. Aragorn's gone so he can't deyfy anyone, and Eomer's gone so he can't obey anyone. He's a rebel/doorkeeper without a cause. Then Gimli. Actually makes pretty funny jokes, and is a most efficient worker, but is getting disillusioned, crabby, violent and whenever possible drunk. Still definitely worth keeping around. And Galadriel. A gift to the screen. A gift to the viewers. Makes interaction electric. All the boys are dying to serve her. Throw her off and they'll be listless and purposeless. Keep her on...and the duels and excitement will continue. Remember people said evicting Grishnakh would stop arguments and take down ratings? Well, Galadriel is a much more powerful version of this situation. Come on, people. Killing Orcs is one thing, straightforward military bragging, like some interminable game of rugby in the Welsh drizzle. But really captivating arguments are the ones that rend the side of good, whether it be the Elves over the Silmarils, the Free Peoples over the rings, or the Elves, Lakemen and Dwarves over Smaug's hoard. This gets even better when Romance is involved. Love triangles. Daeron-Luthien-Beren. Arwen-Aragorn-Eowyn. Aragorn-Eowyn-Faramir. And Galadriel has had many lovers, all in vain. Feanor, Celebrimbor, Gimli. Gimli who is still here. Give that up, and you're really not a judge of good television. __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

10-10-2005, 12:35 PM	#1099
arcticstorm Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Johnson Bible College: Knoxville, TN Posts: 464	--Pippin ++Merry

10-10-2005, 12:36 PM	#1100
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Depends what you want out of your television shows. Personally, I prefer simple, harmless fun to watching some old Elvish bint well past her sell-by date trying desperately to flaunt her stuff for the cameras. She's so transparent. It's clear that she's just in the show to try and get a modelling contract. Whereas Merry and, especially Pippin, have a great future in light entertainment. All hail the next (little) Ant and Dec. ++ GALADRIEL __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

10-10-2005, 12:38 PM	#1102
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,646	Yes but also good television would dictate that the victor should be a surprise. If Galadriel makes it to the final it's almost certain that she will win. How wonderful would it be if instead of Galadriel or a member of the fellowship we had Hama as our champion. I didn't think that Galadriel would get any support for eviction today but she is behind on her rent payments --Pippin ++Galadriel __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

10-10-2005, 12:40 PM	#1103
arcticstorm Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Johnson Bible College: Knoxville, TN Posts: 464	--Merry++Galadriel

10-10-2005, 12:49 PM	#1104
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	I feel suddenly sick. Eowyn...gone? I feel very sick indeed. -- Folwren __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

10-10-2005, 12:58 PM	#1105
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Oh God. All these blasted television watchers making obscure jokes about celebrities I don't understand. I want the feudal system back, quickly. There's becoming a real risk that the coward, deserter and arsonist Took might yet escape the net. Need I dwell on his dallyings with floosies that drove Diamond to drink and drugs despair? His fast-track finance fraud fiddling as Thain that flooded the Farthing? His military mousishness, measliness, mercernary maunderings? No, Downers, I leave it entirely to your good taste. Ensure that the hairy-footed halitosic half-hearted hooligan is shown, ah, what I believe is known as the Red Card... __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

10-10-2005, 01:19 PM	#1107
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Wait, Lalaith! Someone slip me a harp...I want to join you as Elrond... Or should I stay behind and fight the good fight as Celeborn? Should I stay or should I go? (Not so pop culture unaware after all, eh, eh, you may say...) You, voters, decide. Strive on beside me and expel Pippin. He's nothing better than a Gollum from a better background... __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

10-10-2005, 01:22 PM	#1108
WaynetheGoblin Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: far far away Posts: 275	--pipin ++galadriel. __________________ if your happy im happy if your sad im sad if you jump of a cliff i watch

10-10-2005, 01:23 PM	#1109
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Flippin' glory supporter... __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

10-10-2005, 01:46 PM	#1110
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	Ah, for an evil smiley. A toast to conformity.

10-10-2005, 02:53 PM	#1111
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,515	Galadriel- 7 Pippin- 6 Hama- 2 Merry- 1 Gimli- 1 __________________ Fenris Penguin

10-10-2005, 02:56 PM	#1112
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Et tu, Folwrene? __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

10-10-2005, 02:59 PM	#1113
Nonnacedak Animated Skeleton Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Utah Posts: 44	++Galadriel I hope that does it. __________________ NonnacedaKKadecannoN

10-10-2005, 03:29 PM	#1114
Glirdan Energetic Essence Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Where Lark Nor Eagle Ever Flew Posts: 3,285	NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! GET RID OF HAMA!!!! WE CAN'T LOSE GALADRIEL!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! __________________ *I'm going to buy you a kitty, I'm going to let you fall in love with the kitty, and one cold, winter night, I'm going to steal into your house and punch you in the face!* Fenris Wolf

10-10-2005, 03:37 PM	#1115
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,515	That does do it Nonna. Caiao Madame Galadriel. I guess everyone decided Galadriel needed to go when she delivered her "I will be a QUEEN! Dark Yet beautiful as the Dawn, when I Win!!! Muahahaha!" speech. Dwarf Gimli Hobbits Merry Pippin Man Hama Last day until the finale, I shall with-hold my vote incase if we happen to have a double-castaway. So, don't force me make a decision. __________________ Fenris Penguin

10-10-2005, 03:40 PM	#1116
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	This is going to be about as interesting as the Big Brother when that deadly-dull Orkney fisherman won. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

10-10-2005, 03:52 PM	#1120
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,646	Sorry SpM we diverge here. I prefer Merry to Pippin ++Pippin __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”