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[Pervinca Took]

Password: reused names?

11. STRIDER. Both Aragorn's nickname and the name of the pony that carried Frodo back to the Shire from Gondor.

[Urwen]

ROSE: A mother and a daughter. Little people.
ELANOR: Called fair; of Hobbitish descent.
UDUN: Hell is a valley?
S: Flower worshipper?
ECTHELION: His son died by fire.
DIOR: Sounds like a birdy offspring, but it's his other name you're after.
NIMRODEL: A girl and a flower.
A: The seventh is hurled.
M: Is he an elf, or not?
ELESSAR: Two stones, and a man.
STRIDER: Small horse.

[Pervinca Took]

Would M be MABLUNG?

[Urwen]

ROSE: A mother and a daughter. Little people.
ELANOR: Called fair; of Hobbitish descent.
UDUN: Hell is a valley?
S: Flower worshipper?
ECTHELION: His son died by fire.
DIOR: Sounds like a birdy offspring, but it's his other name you're after.
NIMRODEL: A girl and a flower.
A: The seventh is hurled.
MABLUNG: Is he an elf, or not?
ELESSAR: Two stones, and a man.
STRIDER: Small horse.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

It could be worse. Mayor Gamgee of Michel Delving insisted on referring to him as "King Trotter" for over sixty years.

hS

Nooo.


Going through various sevenths for A, I got Anarion as the 7th King of Numenor (though 8th ruler). Also got Arahad as the 7th Chieftain of the Dunedain, with Arahad II to follow some generations later.

[Urwen]

ROSE: A mother and a daughter. Little people.
ELANOR: Called fair; of Hobbitish descent.
UDUN: Hell is a valley?
S: Flower worshipper?
ECTHELION: His son died by fire.
DIOR: Sounds like a birdy offspring, but it's his other name you're after.
NIMRODEL: A girl and a flower.
ARAHAD: The seventh is hurled.
MABLUNG: Is he an elf, or not?
ELESSAR: Two stones, and a man.
STRIDER: Small horse.

[Pervinca Took]

Why 'hurled,' Urwen?

[Urwen]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Why 'hurled,' Urwen?

One of the elements in his name.

[Pervinca Took]

Which element, though? I can't see it.

[Urwen]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Which element, though? I can't see it.

Here is the relevant part.

but the had is a little harder to work out. It could be had meaning "hurl, throw", it could be sad (lenited to had) meaning "place, spot", or it could be related to sador meaning "faithful person".

[Pervinca Took]

Ah, cool. Thanks.

[Galadriel55]

Is the last one perhaps Sam? In reference to his gardening and/or abundance of female flowers in the family?

[Urwen]

No. This one is also etymological and refers to the other kind of flower.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

No. This one is also etymological and refers to the other kind of flower.

SIRIONDIL, of the line of Gondor? Meaning "River-friend".

hS

[Urwen]

ROSE: A mother and a daughter. Little people.
ELANOR: Called fair; of Hobbitish descent.
UDUN: Hell is a valley?
SIRIONDIL: Flower worshipper?
ECTHELION: His son died by fire.
DIOR: Sounds like a birdy offspring, but it's his other name you're after.
NIMRODEL: A girl and a flower.
ARAHAD: The seventh is hurled.
MABLUNG: Is he an elf, or not?
ELESSAR: Two stones, and a man.
STRIDER: Small horse.


And Pervinca has the next one.

[Urwen]

Where is Pervinca at?

[Pervinca Took]

Sorry. Coming up.

Just had to hold the laptop right up to my face and delete the answers with one finger, as I've mislaid my reading specs. Enjoy.


1. He who harbours this looks out in wonder.
2. Does her bird sing as twilight approaches?
3. A steed with great stamina? Well, he unravels to reveal something else that just goes on and on.
4. Hobbits sound leisurely at this point, even without the help of this kind of gin?
5. It's in a simile for a dark and wet place.
6. Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is.
7. Beach where a sick sailor doesn't hesitate, we hear.
8. We may be glad of this variety of clear liquid, but its brother is said to be nobler.
9. One of a collection of soporific trees.
10. Goodbye to honeyed soil and a Yorkshire atmosphere, since she is gone too?
11. Goddess embraces mother's first boy here.
12. Gandalf 'expletifies' some of his cousins, for Bilbo has forgotten to dust the mantlepiece!
13. Head-rhyme *and* pararhyme!? It's nasal! It's nocturnal! It’s nihilistic!
14. Too many beans at the Unexpected Party? Well, the dwarves made mighty ones, but not only their very pongy soundalikes!

[Kath]

Is 3 Arod? Which unravels to road?

[Galadriel55]

7. A sick sailor sounds like ILMARIN, which is unfortunately not a beach. But it makes sense, because if sailor is mariner he loses ER ie hesitation...

[Galadriel55]

10. Is FAREWELL SWEET EARTH AND NORTHERN SKY, pointing to LUTHIEN?

[Pervinca Took]

1. He who harbours this looks out in wonder.
2. Does her bird sing as twilight approaches?
ROAD: A steed with great stamina? Well, he unravels to reveal something else that just goes on and on.
4. Hobbits sound leisurely at this point, even without the help of this kind of gin?
5. It's in a simile for a dark and wet place.
6. Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is.
ILMARIN: Beach where a sick sailor doesn't hesitate, we hear.
8. We may be glad of this variety of clear liquid, but its brother is said to be nobler.
9. One of a collection of soporific trees.
TINUVIEL: Goodbye to honeyed soil and a Yorkshire atmosphere, since she is gone too?
11. Goddess embraces mother's first boy here.
12. Gandalf 'expletifies' some of his cousins, for Bilbo has forgotten to dust the mantlepiece!
13. Head-rhyme *and* pararhyme!? It's nasal! It's nocturnal! It’s nihilistic!
14. Too many beans at the Unexpected Party? Well, the dwarves made mighty ones, but not only their very pongy soundalikes!

Correct answers and correct reasons. And Ilmarin has a strand, doesn't it?

[Mithalwen]

Last one, the dwarves of yore made mighty smells/spells?

[Pervinca Took]

1. He who harbours this looks out in wonder.
2. Does her bird sing as twilight approaches?
ROAD: A steed with great stamina? Well, he unravels to reveal something else that just goes on and on.
4. Hobbits sound leisurely at this point, even without the help of this kind of gin?
5. It's in a simile for a dark and wet place.
6. Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is.
ILMARIN: Beach where a sick sailor doesn't hesitate, we hear.
8. We may be glad of this variety of clear liquid, but its brother is said to be nobler.
9. One of a collection of soporific trees.
TINUVIEL: Goodbye to honeyed soil and a Yorkshire atmosphere, since she is gone too?
11. Goddess embraces mother's first boy here.
12. Gandalf 'expletifies' some of his cousins, for Bilbo has forgotten to dust the mantlepiece!
13. Head-rhyme *and* pararhyme!? It's nasal! It's nocturnal! It’s nihilistic!
SPELLS: Too many beans at the Unexpected Party? Well, the dwarves made mighty ones, but not only their very pongy soundalikes!

Indeed, Mith.

[Galadriel55]

The answers all seem to come from songs.

8. Cold Water?

[Pervinca Took]

1. He who harbours this looks out in wonder.
2. Does her bird sing as twilight approaches?
ROAD: A steed with great stamina? Well, he unravels to reveal something else that just goes on and on.
4. Hobbits sound leisurely at this point, even without the help of this kind of gin?
5. It's in a simile for a dark and wet place.
6. Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is.
ILMARIN: Beach where a sick sailor doesn't hesitate, we hear.
COLD (WATER): We may be glad of this variety of clear liquid, but its brother is said to be nobler.
9. One of a collection of soporific trees.
TINUVIEL: Goodbye to honeyed soil and a Yorkshire atmosphere, since she is gone too?
11. Goddess embraces mother's first boy here.
12. Gandalf 'expletifies' some of his cousins, for Bilbo has forgotten to dust the mantlepiece!
13. Head-rhyme *and* pararhyme!? It's nasal! It's nocturnal! It’s nihilistic!
SPELLS: Too many beans at the Unexpected Party? Well, the dwarves made mighty ones, but not only their very pongy soundalikes!

Pretty much might on the theme, G55.

[Galadriel55]

9. The most soporific tree that comes to mind is OLD MAN WILLOW, and he too is mentioned in at least one Tom Bom rhyme.

[Pervinca Took]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

9. The most soporific tree that comes to mind is OLD MAN WILLOW, and he too is mentioned in at least one Tom Bom rhyme.

Wrong song(s), and hence wrong tree, although the willow is *one* of the soporific trees mentioned in the right sonv. Just not the one I'm looking for.

[Huinesoron]

#12: Oh Gandalf. I feel that if he knew Mr. Baggins had written him exclaiming "Great Elephants!" into the Red Book he'd have quite a bit to say to him.

Anyway: OLIPHAUNT?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. He who harbours this looks out in wonder.
2. Does her bird sing as twilight approaches?
ROAD: A steed with great stamina? Well, he unravels to reveal something else that just goes on and on.
4. Hobbits sound leisurely at this point, even without the help of this kind of gin?
5. It's in a simile for a dark and wet place.
6. Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is.
ILMARIN: Beach where a sick sailor doesn't hesitate, we hear.
COLD (WATER): We may be glad of this variety of clear liquid, but its brother is said to be nobler.
9. One of a collection of soporific trees.
TINUVIEL: Goodbye to honeyed soil and a Yorkshire atmosphere, since she is gone too?
11. Goddess embraces mother's first boy here.
OLIPHAUNT: Gandalf 'expletifies' some of his cousins, for Bilbo has forgotten to dust the mantlepiece!
13. Head-rhyme *and* pararhyme!? It's nasal! It's nocturnal! It’s nihilistic!
SPELLS: Too many beans at the Unexpected Party? Well, the dwarves made mighty ones, but not only their very pongy soundalikes!

I think in the BBC Radio 'Hobbit,' Gandalf actually says 'Great Oliphaunts' instead of 'Elephants.'

[Galadriel55]

No solid guesses, but here are a couple ideas.

1. HOPE kinda sounds fitting in this phrase.

5. Sounds like the beginning of The Hobbit, explaining that Bilbo's hole was wonderful in all regards - but I cannot quite place it.

[Pervinca Took]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

No solid guesses, but here are a couple ideas.

1. HOPE kinda sounds fitting in this phrase.

5. Sounds like the beginning of The Hobbit, explaining that Bilbo's hole was wonderful in all regards - but I cannot quite place it.

It's 'harbours' in a more literal sense.

All the answers are from poems or songs - and each is from a different one. You need to look at the lyrics!

Not all are from the best-known works. 2 is very obscure and a trick question to boot, so leave that one until last and I'll give you a clue when more clues are guessed.

5 is not from 'The Hobbit.'

[Pervinca Took]

1. He who harbours this looks out in wonder.
2. Does her bird sing as twilight approaches?
ROAD: A steed with great stamina? Well, he unravels to reveal something else that just goes on and on. (FOTR & ROTK)
4. Hobbits sound leisurely at this point, even without the help of this kind of gin?
5. It's in a simile for a dark and wet place.
6. Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is.
ILMARIN: Beach where a sick sailor doesn't hesitate, we hear. (I Sang of Leaves, FOTR)
COLD (WATER): We may be glad of this variety of clear liquid, but its brother is said to be nobler. (Water Hot, FOTR)
9. One of a collection of soporific trees.
TINUVIEL: Goodbye to honeyed soil and a Yorkshire atmosphere, since she is gone too? (Farewell Sweet Earth And Northern Sky, The Silmarillion)
11. Goddess embraces mother's first boy here.
OLIPHAUNT: Gandalf 'expletifies' some of his cousins, for Bilbo has forgotten to dust the mantlepiece! (TTT)
13. Head-rhyme *and* pararhyme!? It's nasal! It's nocturnal! It’s nihilistic!
SPELLS: Too many beans at the Unexpected Party? Well, the dwarves made mighty ones, but not only their very pongy soundalikes! (Far over the misty mountains old, The Hobbit)

[Huinesoron]

#13: Do I remember the phrase "Night of Naught"? I think it fits the clue (head-rhyme, para-rhyme, both nasals, 'nocturnal' & 'nihilistic'), and it certainly sounds poetic.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. He who harbours this looks out in wonder.
2. Does her bird sing as twilight approaches?
ROAD: A steed with great stamina? Well, he unravels to reveal something else that just goes on and on. (FOTR & ROTK)
4. Hobbits sound leisurely at this point, even without the help of this kind of gin?
5. It's in a simile for a dark and wet place.
6. Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is.
ILMARIN: Beach where a sick sailor doesn't hesitate, we hear. (I Sang of Leaves, FOTR)
COLD (WATER): We may be glad of this variety of clear liquid, but its brother is said to be nobler. (Water Hot, FOTR)
9. One of a collection of soporific trees.
TINUVIEL: Goodbye to honeyed soil and a Yorkshire atmosphere, since she is gone too? (Farewell Sweet Earth And Northern Sky, The Silmarillion)
11. Goddess embraces mother's first boy here.
OLIPHAUNT: Gandalf 'expletifies' some of his cousins, for Bilbo has forgotten to dust the mantlepiece! (TTT)
NIGHT OF NAUGHT: Head-rhyme *and* pararhyme!? It's nasal! It's nocturnal! It’s nihilistic! (Earendil Was A Mariner, FOTR)
SPELLS: Too many beans at the Unexpected Party? Well, the dwarves made mighty ones, but not only their very pongy soundalikes! (Far Over The Misty Mountains Old, The Hobbit)

[Huinesoron]

Ooh! #4 is SLOE, right? As in slow = leisurely, and sloe gin. It's in "Upon the Hearth the Fire is Red", which probably has an actual name.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. He who harbours this looks out in wonder.
2. Does her bird sing as twilight approaches?
ROAD: A steed with great stamina? Well, he unravels to reveal something else that just goes on and on. (FOTR & ROTK)
SLOE: Hobbits sound leisurely at this point, even without the help of this kind of gin? Upon The Hearth, FOTR).
5. It's in a simile for a dark and wet place.
6. Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is.
ILMARIN: Beach where a sick sailor doesn't hesitate, we hear. (I Sang of Leaves, FOTR)
COLD (WATER): We may be glad of this variety of clear liquid, but its brother is said to be nobler. (Water Hot, FOTR)
9. One of a collection of soporific trees.
TINUVIEL: Goodbye to honeyed soil and a Yorkshire atmosphere, since she is gone too? (Farewell Sweet Earth And Northern Sky, The Silmarillion)
11. Goddess embraces mother's first boy here.
OLIPHAUNT: Gandalf 'expletifies' some of his cousins, for Bilbo has forgotten to dust the mantlepiece! (TTT)
NIGHT OF NAUGHT: Head-rhyme *and* pararhyme!? It's nasal! It's nocturnal! It’s nihilistic! (Earendil Was A Mariner, FOTR)
SPELLS: Too many beans at the Unexpected Party? Well, the dwarves made mighty ones, but not only their very pongy soundalikes! (Far Over The Misty Mountains Old, The Hobbit)

Indeed so!

[Galadriel55]

Which song mentions willows?

I don't recall any in The Sil.
There is various Tom Bom stuff in FORT, but it's mostly the Old Man, and I don't think they are grouped with other soporific trees.
Treebeard sings about some First Age willows, but again, nothing soporific as I recall.
Nothing that I remember in ROTK.

That leaves TH, which is not too long to search through.

Aha! Lullaby! Lullaby! ALDER and Willow!

[Pervinca Took]

1. He who harbours this looks out in wonder.
2. Does her bird sing as twilight approaches?
ROAD: A steed with great stamina? Well, he unravels to reveal something else that just goes on and on. (FOTR & ROTK)
SLOE: Hobbits sound leisurely at this point, even without the help of this kind of gin? Upon The Hearth, FOTR).
5. It's in a simile for a dark and wet place.
6. Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is.
ILMARIN: Beach where a sick sailor doesn't hesitate, we hear. (I Sang of Leaves, FOTR)
COLD (WATER): We may be glad of this variety of clear liquid, but its brother is said to be nobler. (Water Hot, FOTR)
ALDER: One of a collection of soporific trees. (Lullaby, The Hobbit)
TINUVIEL: Goodbye to honeyed soil and a Yorkshire atmosphere, since she is gone too? (Farewell Sweet Earth And Northern Sky, The Silmarillion)
11. Goddess embraces mother's first boy here.
OLIPHAUNT: Gandalf 'expletifies' some of his cousins, for Bilbo has forgotten to dust the mantlepiece! (TTT)
NIGHT OF NAUGHT: Head-rhyme *and* pararhyme!? It's nasal! It's nocturnal! It’s nihilistic! (Earendil Was A Mariner, FOTR)
SPELLS: Too many beans at the Unexpected Party? Well, the dwarves made mighty ones, but not only their very pongy soundalikes! (Far Over The Misty Mountains Old, The Hobbit)

That's the one!

[Huinesoron]

Is #5 a Mewlips reference? The poem actually features "dark and wet" in its second line. The obvious answer would be MARSH (of Tode), but I see the Mewlips don't actually live there; they live Beyond. SLIME, maybe?

Also that's a really creepy poem.

hS

[Huinesoron]

The password is clearly M'ARSENIC CATIONS, because all these songs make you think of your background manufacturing arsenites and arsenates.

hS