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Old 05-29-2002, 11:24 AM   #41
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If it is the chicken's destiny to cross the Greenway, does this mean that the chicken's actions are ruled by fate, or does the chicken have free-will?
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Old 05-29-2002, 05:24 PM   #42
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And: if they are given free will, one must ask if the free will is only an illusion? Do they think they are given free will, but are they REALLY guided by a higher force? And what is that higher force? Does it have a being? Or is it an energy?

And one must also ask "What is a chicken?" and "What is a greenway?"..."Is there really a chicken, or is it in our mind...and a greenway the same?"

'Tis really too complicated to discuss in a mere Tolkien chat board! It deserves scholars!
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And would the scholars in question be better equipped if they were, themselves, chickens?
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Old 05-30-2002, 08:04 AM   #44
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But do the scholars realy exist, or are they merely figments of our imagination, and are the scholars ruled by this greater being? If so, can they truly discover anything, or will all their findings be selected by the greater being to prevent us from ever truly understanding its nature? Is the greater beign some form of chicken or other domestic foul?
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Old 05-30-2002, 04:26 PM   #45
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Then: what if the scholars are all playing sick joke on us? What if they are truly chickens, and they just want to think there is an answer, but there really isn't any?

What if there are no answers at all? Come to think of it, what if there weren't any questions either? What would we do? Worst of all: what if J.R.R. Tolkien wasn't real?! *faints*
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Old 05-30-2002, 04:29 PM   #46
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Are you saying J.R.R Tolkein was a chicken? [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]
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Old 05-30-2002, 04:31 PM   #47
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Well, I'll be a chicken's aunt!

Sorry: no, I'm not saying it, but...what if...? What if we are all chickens? Then, can we appreciate the divinity of our fellow chickens? Or not? Or are we all to primitive in our chickenness?
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Old 05-31-2002, 02:43 AM   #48
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Yes, maybe reaching enlightenment is finally realising and accepting the fact that you are a chicken.
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Old 05-31-2002, 03:08 AM   #49
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But 'chicken' is only a label.
How can enlightenment be related to how chicken-like we see ourselves. Shouldn't if by only proportional to how we view ourselves in general, with no regards to how the chicken ideal fits into this.
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True: a label is a label.

But what if labels are the true reflection of what we are deep inside? Or: what if we have no insides? What if our insides were our outsides and our outsides our insides? What if beauty is truly skin deep, because what we called our "insides" are actually outside? And what if this thread never ended?

And what if there were no such thing as an "end"? And, if one reaches the "end", is that where enlightenment comes? So: have chickens reached the end? And is everything going to eventually reach "chickenhood"?
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Old 05-31-2002, 05:39 PM   #51
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I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS! ARE YOU PEOPLE SERIOUS, NO ONE THINKS ANYTHIG ABOUT THE HEADLESS CHICKEN! HERE IS THE SITE!
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See? There are some among us who have already reached enlightenment! Thank you, Gimli! Now, we must all take Mike's...ummm...whatever...example? and become enlightened as well!

But...what if when we reach enlightenment, we, ourselves, are not worthy of becoming chickens? Will we have to work again, harder, once we are enlightened?
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Old 06-01-2002, 09:37 PM   #53
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Morbid curiousity forces me to ask; What does this have to do with Tolkien?
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It has a lot to do with Tolkien. He may have been a chicken.
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Posibly one of the most creative chickens of all times. but if he was a chicken, did he talk, or did he never feel the need to?
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Ah, I see. This is one of the few real debates about the finer points of this great work of literature. I am sorry for being so hasty in judging the level of literacy of this topic.

If Tolkien was a chicken I have a theory on his plan. We already know that Tolkien hated publicity. He must have gotten so overwhelmed by his fans, he faked his death and transformed into a chicken, just like Beorn could. Perhaps Tolkien is Beorn. Maybe he came from Middle Earth. Maybe he wrote of his adventures in The Hobbit, but from Bilbo's perspecive, as not to give away his identity. Maybe he is a Maia? The answers to those questions Man may never know...

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Old 06-03-2002, 05:18 PM   #57
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Gimli! You may have just discovered the secret!

Maybe we can all change shapes, though, and we just don't know it...maybe it was just that Tolkien is so enlightened that he discovered his gift.

We should all take from Tolkien's example and all become as enlightened as he was or is!
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Old 06-03-2002, 05:27 PM   #58
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So what you're saying is that we all the power, but we don't know how to use it. Maybe Beorn is the father of Men? So that's why we can change. I am going to read everythig Tolkien every wrote that I can get my hands on and see if he left the secret to his powers...

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Old 06-04-2002, 10:32 AM   #59
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I take it you have not heard Tolkien read? It sounds very 'uncluckish' to me.
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Does Beorn sound like a bear when he transforms?
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But what does a chicken sound like ziffy? What if what we've been hearing is just what the chickens want us to believe they sound like. What if they all sound like Tolkien? What if we all truly sound like Tolkien, and we just don't know it?...
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What if Tolkien was really Mike the chicken? What have we done?
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I started talking about this yesterday at the dinner table. We were having chicken. Then all my family looked at me like I was some sort of nut.
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Are you sure you're not some sort of nut? [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]
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If Tolkien was a chicken (or maybe not), did he lay eggs? And what colour where they? Green, maybe? White? Brown..?
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Interesting ideas if not a bit frightening. But I think you have confused the issue of debate. It was 'Why did the {Arda}Chicken cross the green-way. Cross-referecing the similar traits between Arda and {Our} chickens is understandable, but what does Tolkien 'The Human Chicken' have to do with it. Did he use his own chicken traits as a writing tool? You need to dig deeper into this one. Or not.....

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I tried to explain this conversation to my friends in school. They looked at me weirdly, but...then again, they do that a lot. And they didn't understand. They were like "but wait! If Tolkien's a chicken...hmmm...I don't understand!" *Sigh* Inferior minds...just kidding...
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Tolkien did not lay eggs, however his wife would have. Who is Chistoper Tolkien's mother?
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You are all taking this far too literally! Tolkien was NOT chicken in a physical sense. However, he WAS a chicken mentally, as can be seen in his suberb works of literature.
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There are a number of reasons why the chicken crossed the greenway(what's a greenway?). Maybe he really was trying to get to other side. If he was, why? What was on the otherr side? Did he see something he wanted? Did he want to get away from someone or something on his side of the greenway? Was his wife on his side of the greenway? Perhaps he was excersising? Was the grass greener on the other side of the greenway? Was he hallcinating? Was he sleepwalking? Was the greenway actually the Berlin Wall? Was he on the Communist side or the American side? Was the Berlin Wall just called a greenway to avoid this argument? If so, I"m going to keep my mouth shut so I don't get in trouble.

Next time someone asks me why the chicken crossed the greenway(or road), boy, will I be ready [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

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Little Road Island Red
By Gimli Son Of Glóin

Road Island Red: The Chicken

gollum*elf*pup: The Antagonist

Gimli Son Of Glóin": The Hero

The Undertaker: Need I say more?

Act One: The Greenway
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Road Island Red(at the greenway): Dum dee dee dum. La la la la.

gollum*elf*pup: (Jumps out of bush) Waa Haa Haa! I'm the Antagonist! I am gonna to eat you!

Road Island Red: AHHHHHHH!

gollum*elf*pup eats the chicken

Act Two:Eavesdroppings

Gimli Son Of Glóin: I'm off to see the chicken, the wonderful chicken of Oz!
(knocks on door)
Mr. Chicken! Oh Mr. Chicken! Hmm. No one is home. I wonder where Road is...

gollum*elf*pup(walking by the house):Boy that chicken was good!

Gimli Son Of Glóin: That thing ate the chicken!

Act Three:Yech

Gimli Son Of Glóin: Die!
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The Undertaker:I'm here for the dead thing.
<FONT SIZE="20">The End

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Hey! I want to be in the play!

Sorry, just wanted to get that deep inner desire into the open...I got a new idea by the way from someone on another topic: let us discuss what a "squid" is? Can we ever be sure of what a squid is? Is a squid a squid? Are any of us truly squids? Can squids ever measure up to chickens?
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I love squid... I imagine Kettle of fish will have a say in the squid conversation.
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Yes: but what do YOU think a squid is? Are we squids? Is a squid a squid?
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Now we may ask ourselves, are we all squids? Or are we chickens? Does it matter whether we are a squid or chicken? Ordoes it just matter who we really are?
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We are what we think we are, and what we think others are. I am obviously a wise owl. My really tough best friend is a tiger. My teacher is, of course, a dung beatle. Now we must ask ourselves, what are we? And what do we think others are?
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if i was a chicken, i'd eat myself! (j/k)
i'm a vicious chicken eating evil monkey, of course! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] heh heh heh, i like your play, gimli!!!
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Thanks.

By the way, I've always wondered at your name. Are you half Gollum, half elf, and half warg?
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