Tol-in-Gaurhoth LVII - Chess Game for Middle Earth: Game Thread

[Isabellkya]

I just had a thought..

I think I would laugh if phantom turned out to be the Cobbler and Fea turned out to be the BQ. Either it would be terribly perceptive/intuitive of phantom to save her on Day one.. or just out of habit, and thus luck.

[Rikae]

Well, the black bishop seems to have found out what I am, so I might as well reveal.

I'm the white queen. I can take the role of either a seer or a hunter. ToNight I'll be hunting Izzy, who I know can't protect herself. Sally, on the other hand, obviously can. (I don't think she could be the cobbler, unless Izzy tipped her off by some ingenious system of hints).

Unfortunatly, I seem to have dreamed one of the same people as Kath did. Well, congratulations, sonny, you were dreamed by two gifteds this time (or three, if Sally was telling the truth!)

Wilwa I dreamed her on Night 1, simply based on the fact that she was an experienced player I didn't know. Last night I dreamed of Steve, unfortunately. Izzy was night 2 and tp night 3.

++Sally

EDIT: Ooops, I mean "Wilwa is an ordo, I dreamed her on Night 1"

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Day One Votes

Kath-->Nerwen at 6:36am
Fea-->Hansy at 4:37pm
Durie-->Sally at 4:39pm
Steve-->Gwath at 4:55pm
Eomer-->Sally at 6:18pm
Rikae-->Steve at 9:26pm
Hansy-->Fea at 9:45pm
Lari-->Nog at 10:17pm
Nog-->Fea at 10:25pm
Willa-->Steve at 10:36pm
Gwath-->Fea at 10:41pm
Izzy-->Gwath at 11:37pm
Sally-->Fea at 11:56pm
Mnemo-->Steve at 11:58pm
Phantom-->Gwath at 11:58pm
Brinn-->Gwath at 11:59pm

Did not vote: Mira



Day Two Votes

Willa-->Mnemo at 4:33pm
Noggie-->Izzy at 6:10pm
Kath-->Izzy at 7:21pm
Hansy-->Noggie at 7:31pm
Rikae-->Izzy at 7:50pm
Fea-->Izzy at 10:15pm
Lari-->Hansy at 10:50pm
Mnemo-->Kath at 11:53pm
Izzy-->Sally at 11:55pm
Sally-->Hansy at 11:57pm
Mira-->Mnemo at 11:58pm
Brinn-->Noggie at 11:58pm
Phantom-->Noggie at 11:59pm
Izzy-->Noggie at 12:00am

retraction of Izzy-->Sally at 11:55pm

Sally-->Izzy at 12:00am

retraction of Sally-->Hansy at 11:57pm

Did not vote: Durie, Steve



Day Three Votes
Durie-->Phantom at 12:14pm
Willa-->Sally at 5:43pm
Steve-->Sally at 5:47pm
Kath-->Hansy at 7:42pm
Fea-->Izzy at 9:27pm
Sally-->Hansy at 10:02pm
Rikae-->Izzy at 10:15pm
Hansy-->Phantom at 10:19pm
Lari-->Hansy at 11:39pm
Mnemo-->Hansy at 11:54pm
Brinn-->Izzy at 11:57pm
Phantom-->Hansy at 11:58pm
Hansy-->Sally at 11:59pm

retraction of Hansy-->Phantom at 10:19pm

Izzy-->Sally at 12:00am

So here's the voting track of everyone who's still alive.


Durie: Sally, (no vote due to RL circumstances), Phantom
Fea: Hansy, Izzy, Izzy
Izzy: Gwath, Sally/Noggie, Sally
Phantom: Gwath, Noggie, Hansy
Brinn: Gwath, Noggie, Izzy
Sally: Fea, Hansy/Izzy, Hansy
Willa: Steve, Mnemo, Sally
Rikae: Steve, Izzy, Izzy
Mnemo: Steve, Kath, Hansy


player/player indicates a retraction, with the final vote last of course


I'm going to post this then check it for accuracy (less scrolling that way) so it will be edited as necessary just to make sure it's correct.

Also, in this version I am a known innocent. Deal with it. Phantom is innocent in my book but that doesn't mean he's not a cobbler, so he's not italicized, just to be fair and cautious at least once in my life.

I'll get to more comments on this in a bit, but wanted to actually get it posted for everyone's use.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Rikae

++Sally

Incorrect.


Okay, that brings my information right up to where it needs to be.


So, to be clear, you say that Izzy is a KI as well? Ingenious.

I had you and Izzy backwards, but still. I'm on your side, dear, and that's all I'll say. Look at my last list and try to figure out why you're in the category you are.

I need to think. Back in about five minutes.


EDIT: I'm sorry. I meant Willa, not Izzy. I read your post correctly and then typed the wrong name. I'm just retarded. Lol.

[Mnemosyne]

Ai!!!

Rikae, if you think Sally's the Black Knight, then whom do you think Kath dreamt on Night 3?

And just to be clear, what role did you dream for Izzy?

I do not trust you, dear. Why should I believe a word of what you're saying?

[satansaloser2005]

My last post turned out backwards. It's dark in here so I wrote down a bunch of stuff and then read it wrong.


Here's what we know. Repeat, KNOW. Deal with it.

Rikae: White Queen
Sally: Another White Piece (still not saying, at least for now)
Phantom: White Pawn
Willa: White Pawn
Izzy: Looked over her posts again and was actually confused, but didn't want to completely 180 and give myself away. Only one player understands what I mean by this statement and they're dead, so I'm not explaining. Now with the White Queen's opinion supporting my own, I'll come out and say let's lynch her; that's all the proof I need.

Here's what I think. Repeat, THINK. This is fallible, obviously.

Durie: Still leaning guilty.
Mnemo: Leaning guilty-ish, but having trouble with her. Rubbish.
Fea: Thinking innocent, but yeah. Dude, it's Fea.
Brinn: I'm saying what I've said all along. That is all.

[Mnemosyne]

Sally, what's your reasoning behind wilwa's innocence?

...Wait, never mind.

[satansaloser2005]

I'll second the duck. What specifically is Izzy? With that information I think I'll actually have things figured out, though I know I'm not being terribly specific right now.



And Rikae, you'll value that retraction with your life so keep ahold of it. Not for too long though. If you're lying and you succeed in your goal, things will end poorly for everyone in a way.

I couldn't be less cryptic if I tried.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

Ai!!!

Rikae, if you think Sally's the Black Knight, then whom do you think Kath dreamt on Night 3?

And just to be clear, what role did you dream for Izzy?

I do not trust you, dear. Why should I believe a word of what you're saying?

Izzy is the black bishop. I don't know who Kath dreamt, but it obviously wasn't Izzy.

[the phantom]

I'm back and I'm catching up on posts since my last one. I'll respond as I read.

[Isabellkya]

Say what?
What is it you think I am?

X'd with Rikae and phantom

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

*glares*

You guys are being intentionally confusing, and I dislike being confused. It gets my facade dirty.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Izzy is the black bishop. I don't know who Kath dreamt, but it obviously wasn't Izzy.

K, cool. That's not what I had her pegged as, so good to know. Thanks.

[Mnemosyne]

By the by, if Rikae's reveal is correct, and none of the dreams were of cobblers, then I know exactly who is good and who is bad.

Now, it's likely that some of the dreams were cobblers. But that still narrows us down enough that, especially if we can get the BQ early, we've got this game in hand.

[Rikae]

Sally, one surprise is plenty - there is no other white piece. I have no doubts in my mind about you.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Say what?
What is it you think I am?

Read my list post, love.

You're innocent. Or at least not an actual baddie.



Rikae, I'm sure you've considered that your dreams are still subject to the whole 'cobbler showing up as ordo' thing? I'm not saying it happened, but I figured I'd bring it up.

Hunter sucks right now. I'm gonna restart him perhaps and see if he works better after a bit of craziness (and bouncing down the stairs hehe).

[Mnemosyne]

Marvellous. I'm willing to risk an Izzy lynch to find out if Rikae's correct.

But I don't think it's a good idea to lynch Sally, given my conclusions about Kath's dreams.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Sally, one surprise is plenty - there is no other white piece. I have no doubts in my mind about you.

I'm not even responding to this. Read. My. Posts. Woman.


You're one of the most clever girls I've ever had the pleasure of playing with. Read my posts, and figure out what I am. I've bloody told you repeatedly.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I think Rikae is the cobbler.

I know, I know... seems to easy, right?

But I really do. Why else would she vote to lynch Sally, who I thought we were pretty settled on that Kath dreamed of as notBlack?

*is so confused*

[Mnemosyne]

One other question, Rikae: How in the blazes do you explain Izzy not dying Day 2 (if you're the WQ)?

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Brin

So were you right all along about who the seer was?

Kinda sorta.

After my Day 1 read-through my primary candidates were Kath and Fea, with the knowledge that the Seer could very well have shown no cards since it was only the first day. In other words, I couldn't really rule anyone out.

After I did my Day 2 read-through I ruled out everyone completely except for Sally, Rikae, Fea, and Kath. I realized that Kath and Fea were by far the most probable, and seeing as both of them matched up with dreams of Nog and I it made me feel rather dumb about my Nog vote.

As yesterday rolled along I became increasingly confident that it was Kath and not anyone else.

[Rikae]

Sally, I'll return the praise, but I have to repeat:

There is absolutely NO doubt in my mind about what you are.

Mnemo - I think it's best to lynch Sally toDay, since Izzy can't protect herself - ergo, she can't kill me toNight without killing herself.

Fea - Go back over my posts if you don't believe me. I was careful to make sure that, in the event of my death, the village would have something to go on.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

One other question, Rikae: How in the blazes do you explain Izzy not dying Day 2 (if you're the WQ)?

Now that's what I want to know.



I'd just like to say that there is are a few scenarios possible here.

Izzy dies. We're almost certainly down a black player (whether Rikae's lying or not) because either Rikae's telling the truth or she's throwing a mate under the bus to make herself look good.
Rikae dies. We find out what Rikae is, and the truth of her information by association. And if she's telling the truth Izzy goes with her. But then we're down a White Queen.
Sally dies. We find out all of the above information. Don't ask how, we just do.



If Rikae thinks she's a goner I'd rather kill another suspect toDay and (no offense, hun) let the baddies take their chances with her. Either they'll leave her alive to save Izzy or she's die and.....wait a minute. *number crunches* Never mind, that's not an option. We may have three (or four) deaths again toNight so we best get it right toDay. I'm still waiting a bit longer to vote though, obviously.

[Isabellkya]

Sally. Well, a couple of those posts seemed confusing.


X'd with Phantom, Rikae and Sally.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Sally, I'll return the praise, but I have to repeat:

There is absolutely NO doubt in my mind about what you are.

Mnemo - I think it's best to lynch Sally toDay, since Izzy can't protect herself - ergo, she can't kill me toNight without killing herself.

Fea - Go back over my posts if you don't believe me. I was careful to make sure that, in the event of my death, the village would have something to go on.

Tell me what I am then. You're wrong. No matter what you think, you're wrong.


And if I die and you're lying, you realize you're in trouble too?


Sorry, I'm just getting frustrated. I legitimitely could not be more plain without actually telling you what I am, which I'm not doing, at least not now.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Fea - Go back over my posts if you don't believe me. I was careful to make sure that, in the event of my death, the village would have something to go on.

Don't worry. I have too. That is all.

[Mnemosyne]

Rikae: And what makes you so sure that sally is the Black Knight?

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Well, the black bishop seems to have found out what I am, so I might as well reveal.

I'm the white queen. I can take the role of either a seer or a hunter. ToNight I'll be hunting Izzy, who I know can't protect herself. Sally, on the other hand, obviously can. (I don't think she could be the cobbler, unless Izzy tipped her off by some ingenious system of hints).

Unfortunatly, I seem to have dreamed one of the same people as Kath did. Well, congratulations, sonny, you were dreamed by two gifteds this time (or three, if Sally was telling the truth!)

Wilwa I dreamed her on Night 1, simply based on the fact that she was an experienced player I didn't know. Last night I dreamed of Steve, unfortunately. Izzy was night 2 and tp night 3.

Okay now, what???

How do you know you were dreamed of?

And how can Sally protect herself? There isn't a Ranger any more, is there?

And you're saying you dreamed every Night, and Izzy is guilty?

And what do you mean "if Sally was telling the truth" about dreaming me? How many Bishops are there?

(hurries to read the rest of thread)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Fea - Go back over my posts if you don't believe me. I was careful to make sure that, in the event of my death, the village would have something to go on.

Yeah, but you do that every game, regardless of your role.

I mean, I never crossed you out as a candidate, so I'm not saying that I won't believe you if you convince me, I'm just concerned that not all the facts match up. It's too important for us to kill a Wolf today for me to want to take chances.

Phantom's post 708: thank godz somebody seems to be thinking the same as me (as in, ).

[the phantom]

So, the situation in summary...

Rikae says that Kath could not have dreamed of Sally, for she dreamed of her and found her to be guilty.

Sally says "No, I'm not guilty. But I do have a special role. It should be obvious."

And yet she isn't challenging Rikae's claim to the Queenship, despite the fact that she says she's wrong about her.

And Rikae says we should lynch Sally and during the Night when she is killed she will take guilty Izzy with her.

Have I summed that up correctly?

Though I'm still unsure what prompted this whole thing in the first place.

[Isabellkya]

Mnemosyne, I think there is only one Cobbler in the game.




X'd with phantom

[satansaloser2005]

Here's a list, which I will fill in as it comes along. I know, the only thing worse than beating a dead horse is betting on it, but still.

If Rikae's being truthful
Durie: ?
Fea: ?
Izzy: Black Bishop
Phantom: Pawn of some color
Brinn: ?
Sally: White piece
Willa: Pawn of some color
Rikae: White Queen
Mnemo: ?


If Rikae's lying
Durie: ?
Fea: ?
Izzy: ?
Phantom: Pawn of some color
Brinn: ?
Sally: White piece
Willa: ?
Rikae: Black Queen. Or Black Knight. Either's possible.
Mnemo: ?

That means that, once the Black Queen finds the Black Knight (which she may have already done, as Rikae implied earlier) the Knight is either dead toNight or toMorrow, no matter how the Rikae issue pans out. And even if the Queen doesn't kill them right away, they can only protect themself once so as soon as the Queen decides to kill them they're dead.



I hope Rikae's telling the truth, that's all I know.

I was thinking, over thinking
cause there's just too many scenarios to analayze
Look in my eyes 'cause you're my dream please come true

Now I miss Kath and Nerwen. Such lovely girls.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by the phantom

So, the situation in summary...

Rikae says that Kath could not have dreamed of Sally, for she dreamed of her and found her to be guilty.

Sally says "No, I'm not guilty. But I do have a special role. It should be obvious."

And yet she isn't challenging Rikae's claim to the Queenship, despite the fact that she says she's wrong about her.

And Rikae says we should lynch Sally and during the Night when she is killed she will take guilty Izzy with her.

Have I summed that up correctly?

Though I'm still unsure what prompted this whole thing in the first place.

She didn't say she dreamt me as evil. If she did (which is not what I got out of it) she's lying, because I'm not evil. But I'm not the Queen either; I already said that.


Ketchup, Phantom. Ketchup. Think about it, sweetie. You know what I am implying as my role. Read back.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Sally

I hope Rikae's telling the truth, that's all I know.

You hope she's telling the truth?!

But she said that you should be lynched, you nutball!

[Rikae]

Answers to tp:

She was preparing to impersonate me; Black Knight; Yep; White and Black Bishops and White Queen = 3. Oh, and I didn't actually dream of Sally, anyway, but of Izzy.


But now I think I may have stumbled into a trap. Sally could very well be the cobbler, or something else, and now I've outed myself. Well, I still have my hunting ability, and I can hunt Izzy, of whom I'm sure... but she may be protected.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Sally

You know what I am implying as my role. Read back.

Yes, I friggin know what you're implying, but the rules don't say anything about it, so I'm not going to assume anything.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by the phantom

You hope she's telling the truth?!

But she said that you should be lynched, you nutball!

I mean about her role, silly.

If she's the Queen, she's a Queen who's about to make a grave mistake. For the love of Orion, Rikae, leave me be and catch a baddie!


If she's evil, she's playing brilliantly and it's her goal to get me lynched anyway. But if she's evil and she gets me lynched....well, yeah. I'm gonna laugh. I'll probably cry too, but I'll giggle in between sobs.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Yes, I friggin know what you're implying, but the rules don't say anything about it, so I'm not going to assume anything.

Good. I thought so, but everything's going to Senior Seminar in a handbasket. Sorry, I'm just getting so darn impatient.

[Mnemosyne]

Okay, Rikae, here we go. I am not saying that this is what Sally is, but it's certainly what she's claiming to be.

First of all, keep in mind that all this madness only started on Day Three:

Originally Posted by sally

Does that make sense to anyone else? Or should I don a white straitjacket and take Hunter to the happy home to post for the rest of the Day?

To which I said,

Originally Posted by me

Sweetheart, Nerwen's dead.

To which sally said,

Originally Posted by sally

Never said she wasn't, love. What's your point?

To which I said,

Originally Posted by me

Nothing; just a bit of punnery. Under different circumstances that would've looked like a veiled reveal.

To which sally said,

Originally Posted by sally

Pfffft. Do you really think I'd be that obvious?

And now Sally's claiming she's being obvious.

Later on, when Steve asks Sally if she's the black pawn, she says,

Originally Posted by sally

EDIT: Yes as in I'm playing riskily, not yes I'm the Black Pawn. I am a white girl and proud of it, kthnxbye. (And no, that was not meant to be racist, just in case anyone wondered.)

This goes in accordance with her earlier stating that she was innocent. But she no longer says that she's a pure, role-less innocent.

Her next quote is

Well said, Kath. Besides, I'm not the Black Pawn. Or the Black Anything, for that matter. Killing me, or at least killing me toDay, would be a grave mistake. If you must kill me kill me after I've had a Night to think about the game, perhaps make some choices that will impact the village for the good.

What really tipped me off as to what she's been trying to convey is this quote, here:

I am not the White Bishop. I will at no point be saying that I am the White Bishop, the White Queen, or any black piece, for I am none of them.

Thank you for your time. Please try again.

She only mentions those white gifteds which are still in the game, which is completely logical. At the same time, that leaves open white pieces that have already been killed. As she says at the end of the day,

Originally Posted by sally

I miss Nerwen

I have no idea what sally actually is, but she seems to be saying that she's a second hunter, probably hunterified during Night Three because Shasta is weird. And she also seems to be implying by her "we'll know x if I'm killed" that she's a logical hunter.

And since I'm willing to believe that Kath dreamed sally Night Three, that implies that she's at the worst a cobbler.

Rikae, you are NOT making this look good for yourself. I want to believe you so badly, but you're not.

...And she just said "for the love of Orion." THE HUNTER. THE FREAKING HUNTER.

So that is who Sally says she is.

...Right, sally?


...Right?







*crickets chirp*

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I mean about her role, silly.

If she's the Queen, she's a Queen who's about to make a grave mistake. For the love of Orion, Rikae, leave me be and catch a baddie!

Um, the obvious question then would be:
How do you explain having a role that isn't supposed to exist?

If she's evil, she's playing brilliantly and it's her goal to get me lynched anyway. But if she's evil and she gets me lynched....well, yeah. I'm gonna laugh. I'll probably cry too, but I'll giggle in between sobs.

And if I'm good, and you're not lying, the wolves will laugh...