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While I am at that, I must say I was totally shocked when Pitch turned out to be a Cobbler, as we have mostly thought that Mister Boro it is. So what shall we do with the drunken sailor? I am sure everybody will now go through Shasta's posts, I will do it myself too, in order to get my own check on it. Quote:
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01-11-2011, 05:14 PM | #645 | |
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Speaking of Boro... What on earth are you up to? The most likely explanation seems to be that he's a wolf pretending to be either the cobbler or a gifted pretending to be the cobbler. I simply can't see an innocent Boro behaving like that, even for the sake of not being night-killed. I actually went through the thread during the night to see Pitch's interactions and found two people I thought he could've been hinting with. Wanna guess? Rikae and Legate. I now wonder if they hadn't managed to identify him, or hadn't dropped him any hints that would've helped him identify them. His guilt probably points at Nessa's innocence though.
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01-11-2011, 05:18 PM | #646 | |
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Alright, where do we stand? Dreamt of innocent: Legate Likely dreamt of innocent: Rikae Possibly dreamt of innocent?: Me, Aganzir (Kitanna maybe?) Likely dreamt of wolf: Mänwe Even if he hasn't been dreamt of, the fact that Shasta is dead now makes it very, very likely that he's a wolf. This leaves a rest of six people. Half of these people are evil. Ordered by current suspicion: Cailín Skip Boro Wilwa Greenie Nessa The field has been narrowed down nicely at last. |
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01-11-2011, 05:25 PM | #647 | |
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I don't necessarily trust Cailin, but I'm prepared to believe her conclusions on Shasta's dreams. No wolf dream explains why he didn't reveal, and Legate, Agan and I make perfect sense as his picks, all of us being so very creepy and all. Shame that I don't get to scare Legate anymore, though. To answer his question, I was thinking about remodeling my kitchen, so that song started running through my head ("got to move these...refrigerators"), got mixed together with WW, and the result amused me enough that I posted it. At any rate: I am starting to have a very bad feeling about Mac. It's only a feeling, but he's creeping me out. Going to have a look at his posts when I can. Mac, how do you go from "probably he hasn't dreamt of me after all" (a reasonable conclusion) to listing yourself alongside Agan, who he put on the "green" list? Last edited by Rikae; 01-11-2011 at 05:26 PM. Reason: bolding |
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01-11-2011, 05:44 PM | #651 |
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Silence would probably condemn me and talking may just dig me a grave, but..
I think we might underestimate the desire a seer might have for self preservation, seeing as they're one of the more immediately helpful characters to us innocents. I would venture it a possibility that he'd draw attention away from himself to a quiet and considered by most "submarine" prisoner, to ensure his survival for another night of dreaming.
I can see that his comments about me will be construed as proof of my guilt but I would say to my fellow good spirits, look carefully at who and how people jump onto what he said and condemn me- I could be the easiest bandwagon today if you allow it. And so far the bandwagon has ended up a good spirit each time. It's late here so i'll be back tomorrow. EDIT: x'ed with Rikae and Aganzir
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01-11-2011, 05:52 PM | #653 |
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I'm tired and should go to sleep but here's my opinion on Shasta's dreams:
Day 1. Inconclusive. Not a wolf; possibly an innocent Mac but I doubt it given how Shasta start suspecting him later. Innocent Rikae is a more likely dream to me since she stays "green" throughout. Day 2: Highly inconclusive. Possibly an innocent Agan, Kit, Lommy,Rikae, Eomer, Mac or Cailin Day 3: Almost certainly an innocent Legate Day 4: Probably a wolfish Mänwe. Possibly an innocent Agan. Now to bed.
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01-11-2011, 05:56 PM | #654 | |
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Suspected Pitch (in an approximate yet more or less arbitrary order from the most to the least suspicious - I haven't listed the dead or myself because this was originally a note intended just for me): Mac, Shasta, Rikae Pitch suspected: Nessa; Mac, wilwa, Green Found Pitch innocent: Boro; wilwa, Nessa, Legate Pitch found innocent: Boro, skip; Rikae DAY 2 Suspected Pitch: Mac, Shasta, Rikae Pitch suspected: Nessa Found Pitch innocent: Boro, skip, Cailín Pitch found innocent: - DAY 3 Suspected Pitch: Mac, Rikae, Cailín Pitch suspected: No one (but Inzil, it seems) Found Pitch innocent day 3: skip Pitch found innocent: No one (but Shasta) DAY 4 Suspected Pitch: Mac; wilwa, Rikae, skip; Green, Legate Pitch suspected: flip-flopped on Legate Found Pitch innocent: No one except Legate & Greenie did some flip-flopping Pitch found innocent: Boro, Cailín, skip (whom he voted), semi-defended also Nessa Quote:
Ed constantly suspected Pitch while Mänwe attacked her - I believe this is the reason she was killed. It's rather late now so I won't try to reach any conclusions about Pitch's interactions now but will do so tomorrow if I deem it worth the effort. I thought I'd still post these though.
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Speaking of which, I might as well do it now because I don't think anything will happen that makes me change my mind. It would be an offense to Shasta to leave Mänwe alive after how he talked of him yesterday. ++MÄNWE I still have my retraction if something drastic happens, though. I find it the most likely the wolves have agreed to sacrifice Mänwe, but it probably went more along these lines: "Okay buddy we might have to kill you but let's try our best and hold our votes and see if a couple of innocents vote wrong so we can jump on it and we win!" I'm willing to bet it wasn't Lommy or Mac, he was simply too undecided about them. Eomer seems the most likely to me - despite his listing me as green I don't think he dreamed of me. The seer wouldn't say "probably the cobbler" of a dreamed of innocent.
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Also if everybody agrees upon me being Shasta's dreamed innocent (as it really looks like that), it means probably a lot of responsibility from my part. Well, at least it limits people's choices (they won't vote me), but they can also know that my points are not intentionally biased. I simply hope that they won't be too biased in any other way, I can promise you to do my best to avoid that...
Anyway, for now: Shasta First Day: "Mac and Kitanna both look good to me so far, as does Agan" "I'm still liking Mac, but I think he might be making altogether too big a deal about Agan's post." Okay, this looks sort of as if he had dreamed of Mac, but the fact that he much later dropped him suggests to me that he was not his dream. Of course, Shasta could have been bluffing and such, but not sure if he would do it that way. Agan he calls a Cobbler later on, but still keeps her mostly "green". I wonder if he might have dreamed Kitanna, but that sounds rather random (but who knows how he chose his dreams). Also, let's note that possibly not all players have been around by the time he made the post. But on the other hand, he does not really mention anybody else after that, so... If I were to guess, I would say he might have dreamed of Agan (not Mac because of the later Days). Whereas from later Days it would seem rather sensible to say he dreamed of Rikae, his comment about her on Day 1 is rather nothing-saying. Except that she is the first name mentioned ever. (I wanted to check if there is not a pattern like that by any chance, but seemingly isn't, since he starts Day 2 with me, whom he clears the day after). Second Day: Lots of mess and I am not sure. I wonder if he might have dreamed of either of the dead then (the question would be why, neither seems like a likely pick for him, I think). Anyway, he did not at least seem to have dreamed of a Wolf, and so if we look at people he found innocent: Quote:
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So yes, that's it, here I would conclude. The thing about calling Agan a cobbler seems more like a backpedaling bluff, it is not really so significant. So I would really think that his dreams were: 1-innocent Agan, 2-innocent Rikae, 3-innocent me, 4-guilty Mänwe (probably). He is still rather uncertain, or switching sides about Nessa to make me think he dreamed of her at any point. This is probably enough for me now. I should wake up in 7 hours, so better go now. I'll just quickly check if somebody crossposted with me... And btw: Mänwe's post does not look good to me, not at all, precious. I think an innocent would behave differently if suspected in this way. (and p.s. sorry for the length, it's the quotes And I know it's like for the sixth time you see the quotes of Shasta toDay, but I think it's very good if everybody goes through it by themselves... or at least I want to, anyway, and also feel it a bit of my responsibility anyway) EDIT: x-ed with one Agan
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Basically yes. I think Mänwe is the best bet for toDay. But hey, I want to see people posting first, for now I am going to sleep. So looking forward to see people commenting here.
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01-11-2011, 07:39 PM | #658 |
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Can make a quick post tonight, and then probably not til a couple hours before DL. I've had the worst luck this game for having time to participate.
The analyses of Shasta's dream-possibilities make a lot of sense. It's also possible that some of his earlier dreams were for people who are now dead, which could be why his first 2 dreams seem harder to figure out. But I have to agree that Legate looks quite good, and Manwe looks quite bad. I was really surprised Pitch ended up being the Cobbler, because it seemed clear Boro was. But I don't think that makes Boro a wolf, yesterDay I said how the way Boro has been acting is more like a busy Ordo or a Cobbler, I don't think he'd behave this way as a wolf. I wish I had more time, but I'm afraid I don't. I'll come back on tomorrow.
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Let's talk about something else.
YesterDay's voting: Let's assume the wolves knew the cobbler's identity. I still wouldn't expect them to risk much to save him. A lot depends on Skip's role - if Skip is evil, Pitch was bus material, of course. wilwa -> elronds_daughter (early vote for a now known innocent. e_d received more votes later, so it's possible wolf-wilwa planned to start an innocent-bandwaggon here) Nessa -> Legate (similar situation as above - does it look better or worse that nobody followed her vote?) Aganzir -> Pitch (first vote for him, at a point when the fuse to the Skip-waggon was already laid, very suspicious if Skip is evil) Boro -> Nessa (that post... *shakes head*... I can't believe Boro would act this way as a wolf, but there is absolutely no reason why he would as an innocent! Anyway, he doesn't give any reasons, so this vote is suspicious.) e_d -> Pitch(2) Shasta -> Skip Legate -> Shasta (hellishly suspicious, of course. Thank god he's cleared) Greenie -> Skip (Skip evil => Greenie innocent / Greenie evil => Skip innocent. That's a good connection to have between two in my question mark group) Mänwe -> e_d(2) (fueling the known-innocent bandwaggon) Pitch -> Skip(2) (makes Skip look better) Mac -> Pitch(3) (erm.. nobody look at that piece of reasoning, please ) Skip -> Pitch(4) (of course) Rikae -> Pitch(5) (an evil Skip would make Rikae look worse, too - then again, the bandwaggons weren't really close anymore) Boro -> e_d(3) ("what the heck", indeed - if this vote had come earlier, it would look extremely evil) Unfortunately, the two most interesting persons (imo, Cailín (no vote), Skip (vote in self defense)) left no trail. Shame... |
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And let's get this over with:
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I think it is more interesting that so many people have labeled Boro as Cobbler, because then the question is, what would the Wolves do in such a case, in relation to what do they think and what Boro really is. I think it might be worth it who thought he was the Cobbler, who opposed it somewhat, and so on. And to try to discern the motives behind it. E.g. if they knew Pitch was their Cobbler and Boro is innocent, then they had no problem with saying he is one. If Boro is one of them, then it would probably make sense for them to try to make him look like a Cobbler (that way sort of downplaying him), or perhaps for some to even try to defend him (but that's far less likely as it's dangerous). If they also thought Boro was the Cobbler, they might have wanted to just as well get rid of him. I guess I will go a bit through the Boro-situation yesterDay.
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Ugh, sorry, I meant Cobbler, of course
Anyway, I went through all of Boro's posts and I don't know what to think of him. The best would be to hear from him, in any case. I have also read through yesterDay and tried to focus on the Boro-Cobbler situation, and what people said about that - see above, I think it might be helpful to consider how WWs would act towards somebody who was not the Cobbler (and the question remains, who he is, of course), but who was suspected of being the Cobbler (and we can't know whether the WWs, or some of them, did not think him a Cobbler too). Although depending who you think the WWs are, the situation may look different... let's see: Basically the idea of Boro being the cobbler emerged, and once again is an interesting proof of the "herd mentality" (of which I was a part), from Agan's thought in her post #464 (page 12, as are the following): Quote:
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Pitch himself had said very little of Boro, in the beginning only mentioned him among people he did not suspect earlier and starts to suspect now. For the rest of the Day, especially Mac acted in the way as if Boro's cobblerism was set in stone. What to conclude? Mac's behavior towards the presumed Cobbler makes me wonder the most, he was essentially the one dismissing Boro completely; I also find a bit alarming that toDay all of a sudden (in contrary to his previous fierceness) he did not find it worth it to make a single remark about it. What I am looking forward to the most is to hear from Boro himself, like I said, and what he has to say on the matter. And if you are innocent, Boro, I bid thee to seriously make the effort and post.
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I am honestly and wholly innocently not convinced by this Manwe-is-a-discovered-wolf theory. I agree that I may have been too eager to grant Aganzir Known Innocent status (though could it be that the ancient rule - the Seer sees the Cobbler as an Ordinary Villager - confused Shasta here? To group her with his two known innocents shows an extraordinary amount of faith in being able to read her correctly if he did not dream of her). However, Shasta did not even vote Manwe yesterDay: he gave unknown Skip his first vote instead. Words are words but votes are actions - would Shasta vote Skip if he had found a Known Wolf in Manwe? Risky business. He must have known he did not have a lot of chances left and with a known wolf and some innocents a reveal in this stage in the game would have been the traditional thing to do.
OK - Manwe looks fairly bad and Shasta's analysis, though it may seem a contrived Seerish version of an analysis, is not unreasonable. Besides, there is no doubt the wolves did find Shasta, but to be honest, Shasta's Legate 180 on the man himself looks pretty Seerish and that together with his faith in some of his Known Innocents might have been enough. Is anyone wondering why elronds_daughter was the second kill? If they were so sure about Shasta, why not get rid of Legate or Rikae? So there. I'd have to be the silliest wolf alive to defend a doomed wolf buddy. Of course, if Manwe does turn out to be innocent I get to feel smug about that at least. The likely scenario of course is that Manwe will be lynched and found to be a hairy nasty wolf and everyone tomorrow (especially the grinning wolves) will agree that I must be his partner desperately trying to save him. I'm not interested in saving Manwe. I distrust him as much as I can and should distrust my fellow players. Let's be careful though and not take things for granted. My list The ones I think are our wolves: Skip Wilwa Macalaure Manwe The ones I think could be our wolves: Nessa Boro Greenie Innocents: Aganzir Rikae Legate |
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Ai! Ai! A madness took me but it has passed.
I attempted to look like the cobbler because I really didn't want to get killed in this game. I don't care so much about being lynched, because if I got lynched it have been my own fault. I just wanted some way to avoid being killed, and possibly make the wolves think I'm the real cobbler, and that way they would tip their hand to me. Now that the real cobbler's dead, my gig is up, and they know I'm innocent. Maybe if I just stuck to my usual Boro serious-accusatory, no-nonsense, posting we would have faired better. But I wanted to get a wolf as fast as possible, so I thought posing as the cobbler would lead me to a few wolves fast. I should have known the wolves wouldn't have so easily trusted me as the cobbler that easily. I seriously do think Nessa's a wolf, because I thought she tipped her hand during my antics, but I was probably too quick to hope that my ploy had worked, when really it seems like an epic fail. I couldn't explain why I was so sure of Nessa yesterday Rikae, because I couldn't think of a way to do it without saying "shh I'm faking cobbler-ism." Now that Pitch is dead though, game's up.
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Boro, if you think Nessawolf bought your cobbler show, do you have some quote on that?
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In any case, it is not 100% sure that he dreamed of Mänwe, but likely. And I think it would be really far worse to lose because of ignoring Shasta's dream than losing because we misinterpretated it. Unless it was some sort of trap for the Wolves to lure them out or whatnot... but that'd be rather risky for him, I'd say. Anyway, off to lunch, will be back still in a while.
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Your 'best bets' will doom you all.
You consider two votes a bandwagon? Will you consider that she was a known innocent to us all only as of this morning? I suspected her as much as you had Loslote whom you pressed to lynch on the second day, that was more of a bandwagon then a vote for e_d.
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quick comment.
I must say, the moment I saw that Boro wasn't the cobbler I immediately thought: surely he is a wolf then!
Now I'm not as sure - I can see other possibilities - but I'm still quite certain. A wolf pretending to be the cobbler makes perfect sense whereas the other alternatives are quite far-fetched. That said, I fully intend to vote Mänwe toDay. The combined evidence of Shasta's sudden red alert and the fact that the wolves night-killed him is the nail in the coffin for me. It would be foolish to ignore that. In fact: ++Mänwe By the way, isn't it ironic that Mänwe's only contribution (that I remember) was a call-out for more suspicion for the quiet, low-key players? EDIT: x'ed with the Män himself
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Again, Manwe may be our best option and if that is what you and Rikae decide, that's what we will do. Also his latest post does not make me feel better about him. It's just that Macalaure's (and to a certain extent Aganzir's) absolute condemnation of Manwe looks suspicious. Last edited by Cailín; 01-12-2011 at 06:48 AM. Reason: crossed with Skip |
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Will no one accept my making things worse for myself as a sign I am innocent?
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Now, what I know from Shasta's past seer experiences is he will always leave a clue to who his dreams were, and they're usually not some crypto-graph thing that's impossible to figure out. He always points to his dreams and he's far from confusing/sending mixed messages. So his dreams are there somewhere.
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Shasta votes Lottie, Day 1. I think it's clear enough that for his first dream, Shasta did not know any wolves, and had not dreamed of Pitch as the cobbler. From the looks, possibly Rikae or Agan, who he remained positive about throughout the day. His feeling good about Mac, Kit, and Legate up to this point, looks based off how they were posting and agreeing with what they were saying. Day 2. Post 234. It's long, and commenting towards a lot of people. I won't quote it but, it confirms he's trusting Rikae, and he's starting to find Legate suspicious. (It then makes sense, and fits in line that he would dream of Legate asap) Post 252. It doesn't seem like Shasta had a wolf at this point either. He "feels no-nonsense bad" about Legate, but that's purely on Legate's posting. Quote:
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Why are we assuming he's dreamed of Manwe? When he begins yesterday with no one in his "red" meter?
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Because if he put only one person into his "red" box, it would be clear to the WWs that he is the Seer, especially if Mänwe is one of them. Shasta obviously wanted to stay hidden still. Of course, it was not much more subtle (from the WWs' perspective) to go after Mänwe in such way, but he did also another analysis of Cailín and made all these "announcements" that he is going to look at this one and that one toDay in his beginning post of the Day. And when Mänwe was not lynched normally, he perhaps hoped for not being discovered (since the idea was dismissed) while at the same time leaving a clear enough clue in case he died. Or this is the way I could imagine it.
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