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NightKnight · 01-17-2004, 08:18 AM

There was some kind of kinslaying in all except Bag End?

symestreem · 01-17-2004, 01:36 PM

You are on the right track, NightKnight. It does have to do with slaying, but not kinslaying specifically. Denethor didn't actually kill Faramir, either, so House of Stewards would also be "odd one out" in that case.

NightKnight · 01-18-2004, 04:55 AM

Someone killed someone of their own race in all of them, except Bag End.

symestreem · 01-18-2004, 02:26 PM

It doesn't have to do with race. Go back and read the accounts of the events at those places.

Mad Baggins · 01-30-2004, 01:58 PM

Wars were fought near all of them except for Meduseld?

symestreem · 01-30-2004, 03:00 PM

A war was fought near Meduseld as well, when Helm Hammerhand was driven out of Edoras. HINT: This event has something to do with the answer.

NightKnight · 02-01-2004, 11:41 AM

I can feel I'm near, but I can't put my finger on it.
But is it something about the king being killed?
"King" Wulf was killed in Meduseld.
"King" Castamir was killed in Osgiliath.
House of the Stewards is the one that really puzzles me. No idea there...
Nothing in Bad End.
And as for Thingol's treasury, Thingol was killed there...wasn't he?

I think I'm confusing myself more and more as I try to come up with something. :P

Arvedui III · 02-01-2004, 01:31 PM

Herm...Treasure and slaying. Treasure-slaying.

No one was killed over wealth or gold or some kind of riches in the house of stewards?

symestreem · 02-06-2004, 08:58 PM

It's neither the treasure nor the royalty. Keep guessing!

Evisse the Blue · 02-11-2004, 01:50 PM

Bag-End: Bilbo didn't want to let go of the Ring
Meduseld: Helm Hammerhand did not want to give his daughter to Freca's son
House of Stewards: Denethor did not want to relinquish power
Hence, Osgiliath would be the OPO?
(oh, and Thingol did not want to give the necklace to the dwarves).

symestreem · 02-11-2004, 04:28 PM

Actually, Denethor chose to relinquish power when he committed suicide. So that's not it. It has to do with killing.

Mad Baggins · 02-13-2004, 05:21 PM

Meduseld was the only place where someone was not killed in it or "on its doorstep", so to speak:

House of Stewards: Denethor burned to death
Bag End: Saruman and Grima were both killed right outside the door
Osgiliath: A battle went on there, so people were obviously killed

symestreem · 02-16-2004, 10:49 AM

Oooo... close... But Meduseld is not the odd place out. Be more specific in your criteria, and reread the events you refer to. Read the Appendices.

The Perky Ent · 02-25-2004, 01:11 PM

Um...well...how about....The House of Stewards, because it is the only place where kin slaying happened? In hobbiton, hobbits weren't killing hobbits (or were they) and in all the other places normal killing was going on...not abnormal kiling. Yes, i know how stupid what i just said is...but it's my guess

symestreem · 02-25-2004, 06:52 PM

There was no kinslaying in the House of Stewards. You guys are getting colder, it's not the type of killing that matters!

Nilpaurion Felagund · 02-25-2004, 08:55 PM

Only Men died before the gates/doors/entrances of all these places, except in Osgiliath, where, along with Men, Orcs, Trolls, and Oliphaunts died before it.

Probably even those weird smoking hobbitses joined the fray...

Nilpaurion Felagund · 02-27-2004, 09:30 PM

symestreem? *poke*

symestreem · 02-27-2004, 09:51 PM

Hold your horses, Nilpaurion, I'm here! You are very, very close! However, I suggest you go back and read the whole thread again to find the hint about Thingol's treasury. You are on the right track, but you're making it overly complicated and... shall we say narrow?

P.S. Saruman wasn't a man.

Nirvana II · 02-27-2004, 09:51 PM

osgiiliath...built before the others?

symestreem · 02-27-2004, 09:53 PM

Nope. I suggest you go back and read the thread to see the other answers. Also, Thingol's treasury was built before Osgiliath.

Nirvana II · 02-28-2004, 07:27 PM

The house of Stewards....uh....no one died of old age.....i think

Nirvana II

symestreem · 02-28-2004, 09:05 PM

I don't believe anyone died of old age in Thingol's treasury, either. That's not it. *feels like a broken record* I suggest you go back and read the whole thread...

Gilwen · 02-29-2004, 07:59 PM

This has nothing to do with treasure or killing, but Bag End was the only one not built by men

Nirvana II · 02-29-2004, 08:18 PM

Bag End....only one where a wizard was killed....i think

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-01-2004, 01:51 AM

Quote:

P.S. Saruman wasn't a man.

Like Telchar(where is he, anyway) said,

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I will at least claim to the day of my death that IT WAS A TYPO!!!!!!

What typo? You bloody fool! No way that was a typo!

Well, at least I tried...

Anywhen...

The House of Stewards - only Denethor died there, and it happened on a single day.
Thingol's treasury only Thingol died there, and it happened on a single day.
Bag End - only Saruman and Wormtongue died there, and it happened on a single day.
Meduseld - only Haleth died there, and it happened on a single day.

<b style="color:#ff0000">OPO - Osgiliath.</b>

symestreem · 03-01-2004, 08:28 PM

Thingol was not the only one to die at his treasury. Haleth was not the only one to die of Meduseld, he was merely the last and he fell...
It's not the wizards- only two of them actually died, and you are looking for the location that does not share something the others do. It's not being built by men- Thingol's treasury was not built by men.

Nilpaurion, if you do not stop poking me, you stand in danger of losing the appendage that is doing the poking. Have a nice day.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-05-2004, 02:47 AM

No, no appendage. It's a bayonet.

I think I got it.

The House of the Stewards - Denethor died there, and rule of Gondor passed to Faramir.
Thingol's treasury - Thingol was killed, and the Nauglamir passed to the Dwarves.
Meduseld - Wulf died there, and rule of Rohan passed to Fréalaf.
Osgiliath - Castamir died there, and rule of Gondor passed to Eldacar.

<span style="color:#ff0000">OPO - Bag End</span>

symestreem · 03-05-2004, 02:45 PM

No, you do not yet have the correct answer. Go back and read the whole thread. You're getting colder now.

*summons the Killer Rabbit. It eyes Nilpaurion hungrily.*

Arvedui III · 03-05-2004, 04:54 PM

Gah! Herm...Bag End is the only place where a man never slew anyone.

The Killer Rabbit? *gulps* RUN AWAY!!!!!

symestreem · 03-06-2004, 10:11 AM

Sorry, Arvedui. However, the general killing theme is correct. I suggest you go back and read the whole thread...

For all who are not Nilpaurion: Do not worry about the Killer Rabbit. It is only here to defend my poor, maligned, poked, *sob* and abused self from the evil Nilpaurion. It shall not harm you.

Arvedui III · 03-06-2004, 10:23 AM

Herm...Saruman was killed over the control of the Shire, Halleth was slain over the control of Rohan, and Castamir (I think) was slain over the control of Gondor.

So, the house of stewards was the only place where someone wasn't slain over the control of said place.

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It shall not harm you.

Oh, that's good to know. But I'm still keeping my holy hand-grenade close, just in case.

symestreem · 03-06-2004, 04:42 PM

It does not have to do with control. It does not have to do with why people died.

**The Saucepan Man** · 03-07-2004, 06:36 PM

Is it the House of Stewards, because no one was actually slain there? Or because it was the only place where someone took their own life, rather than being slain? Denethor killed himself, but failed to bring about his son's death.

Osgiliath - Many were slain in the battles fought there.
Bag End - Saruman and Wormtongue were slain on its doorstep.
Meduseld - Helm's son, Haleth, was slain defending the hall.
Thingol's treasury - Thingol himself died there.

If that's not it, and given that this question has already taken up nearly 2 pages, I would suggest that a BIG hint is in order.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-07-2004, 09:06 PM

A really big hint, yeah.

And, Sauce, I think you should ban anything with the adjective "killer" on it. *coughcoughkillerrabbitcoughcough*

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It is only here to defend my poor, maligned, poked, *sob* and abused self from the evil Nilpaurion. It shall not harm you.

I AM EVIL? I've been poked, too!

symestreem · 03-09-2004, 03:29 PM

I don't know as I can give a huge hint without totally giving it away, but I will try my best. I will also compile all the hints that I've given so far.

House of Stewards
Bag End
Osgiliath
House of Stewards
Thingol's treasury

It has to do with people being killed. It does not have to do with who died there. It does not have to do with royalty, money, the location of the building/city, or a reluctance to give up something. It does not have to do with who did the killing. It does not have to do with what the weapon of death was. It does have to do with where the deaths occurred. It does not have to do with when the deaths occurred. It does not have to do with why these people were slain (yes, they were all slain. That means Denethor is not involved here.) You will need to go back to the Appendices, the Silmarillion, and Return of the King to find these particular events. Nilpaurion has come the closest so far.
Other than the above (HINT: reporters should have an easy time of it), the best hint I can give you is to go back and read the whole thread. Also, think about what one place is that the other four aren't. When you figure this out, think about what that one place must lack as a result of this that the others have.
An event did not take place at the OPO that occurred at all the others.

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I AM EVIL? I've been poked, too!

Nilpaurion, if you've been poked and turn around and poke someone else, that's like withholding chocolate from someone if you've been deprived yourself!

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-09-2004, 09:34 PM

I'm not poking you, symestreem; I'm poking the killer rabbit.

Quote:

Nilpaurion, if you've been poked and turn around and poke someone else, that's like withholding chocolate from someone if you've been deprived yourself!

No. It's more like you've realised chocolate tastes nice, and you want others to taste it.

symestreem · 03-10-2004, 06:40 PM

Actually, Nilpaurion, I was referring more to your line of reasoning as being very close rather than the OPO.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-18-2004, 10:45 PM

House of Stewards - Before Denethor, none had died in this place before.
Bag End - Before Saruman and Gríma, none had died in this place before.
Meduseld - Before Haleth, none had died in this place before.
Thingol's treasury - Before Thingol, none had died in this place before.

symestreem · 03-19-2004, 05:58 AM

That's not it. Bilbo's father and mother probably died at Bag End; at least a couple of kings probably died at Meduseld, and likely Theoden's queen as well.

HINT: The event at Thingol's treasury does not involve Thingol. The event at the House of Stewards does not involve Denethor or Faramir.

NightKnight · 03-19-2004, 09:21 AM

Probably something with Mablung in Thingol's treasury then. He was killed outside the door, guarding the Silmaril.
Wasn't Wulf killed outside the doors of Meduseld as well?
Beregond killed the man with the keys outside of the House of Stewards.
And now we've come to the hard one... Bag End or Osgiliath? I'm gonna say Osgiliath is the OPO, since Wormtongue and Saruman were killed just outside Bag End. I suppose people were killed outside Osgiliath as well, but no such kills are recorded. Am I close?

01-17-2004, 08:18 AM	#521
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	There was some kind of kinslaying in all except Bag End? __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

01-17-2004, 01:36 PM	#522
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	You are on the right track, NightKnight. It does have to do with slaying, but not kinslaying specifically. Denethor didn't actually kill Faramir, either, so House of Stewards would also be "odd one out" in that case. __________________ A Gandalf-uncloaking-free zone.

01-18-2004, 04:55 AM	#523
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Someone killed someone of their own race in all of them, except Bag End. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

01-18-2004, 02:26 PM	#524
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	It doesn't have to do with race. Go back and read the accounts of the events at those places. __________________ A Gandalf-uncloaking-free zone.

01-30-2004, 01:58 PM	#525
Mad Baggins Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: A place where after thunder golden showers come falling like a rain of flowers. Posts: 371	Wars were fought near all of them except for Meduseld? __________________ I like buying snacks from a vending machine because food is better when it falls. Sometimes at the grocery, I'll drop a candy bar so that it will achieve its maximum flavor potential.

01-30-2004, 03:00 PM	#526
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	A war was fought near Meduseld as well, when Helm Hammerhand was driven out of Edoras. HINT: This event has something to do with the answer. __________________ A Gandalf-uncloaking-free zone.

02-01-2004, 11:41 AM	#527
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	I can feel I'm near, but I can't put my finger on it. But is it something about the king being killed? "King" Wulf was killed in Meduseld. "King" Castamir was killed in Osgiliath. House of the Stewards is the one that really puzzles me. No idea there... Nothing in Bad End. And as for Thingol's treasury, Thingol was killed there...wasn't he? I think I'm confusing myself more and more as I try to come up with something. :P __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

02-01-2004, 01:31 PM	#528
Arvedui III Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In Rohan, with Carolina on my mind Posts: 629	Herm...Treasure and slaying. Treasure-slaying. No one was killed over wealth or gold or some kind of riches in the house of stewards? __________________ I have no idea what you just said, but I'm inspired!

02-06-2004, 08:58 PM	#529
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	It's neither the treasure nor the royalty. Keep guessing! __________________ A Gandalf-uncloaking-free zone.

02-11-2004, 01:50 PM	#530
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,685	Bag-End: Bilbo didn't want to let go of the Ring Meduseld: Helm Hammerhand did not want to give his daughter to Freca's son House of Stewards: Denethor did not want to relinquish power Hence, Osgiliath would be the OPO? (oh, and Thingol did not want to give the necklace to the dwarves). __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

02-11-2004, 04:28 PM	#531
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	Actually, Denethor chose to relinquish power when he committed suicide. So that's not it. It has to do with killing.

02-13-2004, 05:21 PM	#532
Mad Baggins Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: A place where after thunder golden showers come falling like a rain of flowers. Posts: 371	Meduseld was the only place where someone was not killed in it or "on its doorstep", so to speak: House of Stewards: Denethor burned to death Bag End: Saruman and Grima were both killed right outside the door Osgiliath: A battle went on there, so people were obviously killed __________________ I like buying snacks from a vending machine because food is better when it falls. Sometimes at the grocery, I'll drop a candy bar so that it will achieve its maximum flavor potential.

02-16-2004, 10:49 AM	#533
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	Oooo... close... But Meduseld is not the odd place out. Be more specific in your criteria, and reread the events you refer to. Read the Appendices.

02-25-2004, 01:11 PM	#534
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	Um...well...how about....The House of Stewards, because it is the only place where kin slaying happened? In hobbiton, hobbits weren't killing hobbits (or were they) and in all the other places normal killing was going on...not abnormal kiling. Yes, i know how stupid what i just said is...but it's my guess __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

02-25-2004, 06:52 PM	#535
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	There was no kinslaying in the House of Stewards. You guys are getting colder, it's not the type of killing that matters!

02-25-2004, 08:55 PM	#536
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Well, this looks fun... Only Men died before the gates/doors/entrances of all these places, except in Osgiliath, where, along with Men, Orcs, Trolls, and Oliphaunts died before it. Probably even those weird smoking hobbitses joined the fray... __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good... Last edited by Nilpaurion Felagund; 02-27-2004 at 09:29 PM.

02-27-2004, 09:30 PM	#537
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	The ominous poke... symestreem? poke __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

02-27-2004, 09:51 PM	#538
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	Do not poke me Hold your horses, Nilpaurion, I'm here! You are very, very close! However, I suggest you go back and read the whole thread again to find the hint about Thingol's treasury. You are on the right track, but you're making it overly complicated and... shall we say narrow? P.S. Saruman wasn't a man. Last edited by symestreem; 02-28-2004 at 03:47 PM.

02-27-2004, 09:51 PM	#539
Nirvana II Wight Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: The Yellow Submarine....sandwich Posts: 207	osgiiliath...built before the others? __________________ Это - российская вещь, Вы не поняли бы. Вы - пончик желе! Я оказался снова. Частное сообщение меня, если Вы понимаете.

02-27-2004, 09:53 PM	#540
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	Nope. I suggest you go back and read the thread to see the other answers. Also, Thingol's treasury was built before Osgiliath.

02-28-2004, 07:27 PM	#541
Nirvana II Wight Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: The Yellow Submarine....sandwich Posts: 207	The house of Stewards....uh....no one died of old age.....i think Nirvana II __________________ Это - российская вещь, Вы не поняли бы. Вы - пончик желе! Я оказался снова. Частное сообщение меня, если Вы понимаете.

02-28-2004, 09:05 PM	#542
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	I don't believe anyone died of old age in Thingol's treasury, either. That's not it. feels like a broken record I suggest you go back and read the whole thread...

02-29-2004, 07:59 PM	#543
Gilwen Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The roof Posts: 22	This has nothing to do with treasure or killing, but Bag End was the only one not built by men __________________ "I'm an elf." ~ Mr. Lunt

02-29-2004, 08:18 PM	#544
Nirvana II Wight Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: The Yellow Submarine....sandwich Posts: 207	Bag End....only one where a wizard was killed....i think __________________ Это - российская вещь, Вы не поняли бы. Вы - пончик желе! Я оказался снова. Частное сообщение меня, если Вы понимаете.

03-01-2004, 08:28 PM	#546
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	Thingol was not the only one to die at his treasury. Haleth was not the only one to die of Meduseld, he was merely the last and he fell... It's not the wizards- only two of them actually died, and you are looking for the location that does not share something the others do. It's not being built by men- Thingol's treasury was not built by men. Nilpaurion, if you do not stop poking me, you stand in danger of losing the appendage that is doing the poking. Have a nice day.

03-05-2004, 02:47 AM	#547
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Hahaha! poke some more No, no appendage. It's a bayonet. I think I got it. The House of the Stewards - Denethor died there, and rule of Gondor passed to Faramir. Thingol's treasury - Thingol was killed, and the Nauglamir passed to the Dwarves. Meduseld - Wulf died there, and rule of Rohan passed to Fréalaf. Osgiliath - Castamir died there, and rule of Gondor passed to Eldacar. <span style="color:#ff0000">OPO - Bag End</span> __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good... Last edited by Nilpaurion Felagund; 03-05-2004 at 02:54 AM.

03-05-2004, 02:45 PM	#548
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	Nilpaurion, I'm warning you... No, you do not yet have the correct answer. Go back and read the whole thread. You're getting colder now. summons the Killer Rabbit. It eyes Nilpaurion hungrily.

03-05-2004, 04:54 PM	#549
Arvedui III Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In Rohan, with Carolina on my mind Posts: 629	Gah! Herm...Bag End is the only place where a man never slew anyone. The Killer Rabbit? gulps RUN AWAY!!!!! __________________ I have no idea what you just said, but I'm inspired!

03-06-2004, 10:11 AM	#550
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	Sorry, Arvedui. However, the general killing theme is correct. I suggest you go back and read the whole thread... For all who are not Nilpaurion: Do not worry about the Killer Rabbit. It is only here to defend my poor, maligned, poked, sob and abused self from the evil Nilpaurion. It shall not harm you.

03-06-2004, 04:42 PM	#552
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	It does not have to do with control. It does not have to do with why people died.

03-07-2004, 06:36 PM	#553
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	This question needs to be brought to a conclusion Is it the House of Stewards, because no one was actually slain there? Or because it was the only place where someone took their own life, rather than being slain? Denethor killed himself, but failed to bring about his son's death. Osgiliath - Many were slain in the battles fought there. Bag End - Saruman and Wormtongue were slain on its doorstep. Meduseld - Helm's son, Haleth, was slain defending the hall. Thingol's treasury - Thingol himself died there. If that's not it, and given that this question has already taken up nearly 2 pages, I would suggest that a BIG hint is in order. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

03-10-2004, 06:40 PM	#557
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	Actually, Nilpaurion, I was referring more to your line of reasoning as being very close rather than the OPO.

03-18-2004, 10:45 PM	#558
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	OPO - still Osgiliath House of Stewards - Before Denethor, none had died in this place before. Bag End - Before Saruman and Gríma, none had died in this place before. Meduseld - Before Haleth, none had died in this place before. Thingol's treasury - Before Thingol, none had died in this place before. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

03-19-2004, 05:58 AM	#559
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	That's not it. Bilbo's father and mother probably died at Bag End; at least a couple of kings probably died at Meduseld, and likely Theoden's queen as well. HINT: The event at Thingol's treasury does not involve Thingol. The event at the House of Stewards does not involve Denethor or Faramir.

03-19-2004, 09:21 AM	#560
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Probably something with Mablung in Thingol's treasury then. He was killed outside the door, guarding the Silmaril. Wasn't Wulf killed outside the doors of Meduseld as well? Beregond killed the man with the keys outside of the House of Stewards. And now we've come to the hard one... Bag End or Osgiliath? I'm gonna say Osgiliath is the OPO, since Wormtongue and Saruman were killed just outside Bag End. I suppose people were killed outside Osgiliath as well, but no such kills are recorded. Am I close? __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.