Geography Grilling

[Estanesse]

It seems to fit but it is not what I had in mind.
Hint: big is very big but not high

[Lindolirian]

River Gelion and its six tributaries in Ossiriand. It's big, but not high, there's only one big and many littles, and it's in a free land that is wide and far

[Estanesse]

Your right, it is a river but Gelion is not the right river, sorry.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Sirion, then? It's the other very important river in Beleriand.

[Estanesse]

Sirion is the big but that is not the entire answer
I know it is lame of me, but could you please give the whole answer. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

I would guess that you means Sirion and Narog, where Nargothrond was holding splendid and pridefully...

But Mindeb, Esgalduin, Teiglin, and Aros all flow into Sirion.

Sophia

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Estanesse?

[Estanesse]

Sorry for this late reply. Your right about Sirion and the other smaller rivers but Nargothrond is not correct still your close enough
The whole answer I had in mind was:

In the Land of the free
wide and far,- Beleriand

Big meets little,- Sirion the great river, the little are Esgalduin, Teiglin, and Aros

Side on side
splendor and might hold with pride,- Doriath

please carry on Sophia, [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

[ June 06, 2003: Message edited by: Estanesse ]

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Alright, after much delay, here is the next question:

The inland sea,
The reaching arm,
The Gates of Stone,
The Water-Town,
The Elfking's Halls,
The Water Dim,
The hills of Stone,
The Mountain Grim,
Atop the spine,
I am the head,
but followed down,
Where am I led?

Sophia

[Estanesse]

I'm not sure but is the answer Isengard

The inland sea, (Sea of Nurnen)
The reaching arm, (Barad Dûr)
The Gates of Stone,(morannon)
The Water-Town, (dale)
The Elfking's Halls,(the Elvenking’s halls)
The Water Dim,(forest river)
The hills of Stone,(Grey mountains?)
The Mountain Grim,(misty mountains)
Atop the spine,(Methedras)
I am the head,( Orthanc)
but followed down,
Where am I led? (Isengard?)

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Not correct, Estanesse, but the right idea. What I want is the path of a journey, from the correct beginning, through the correct places to the correct ending. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] I think I just broke a record on the number of times one can use "correct" in a post correctly (ooh, bad joke).

Sophia

[The Saucepan Man]

Well, I think that we could all do with another little hint here, Sophia. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

The Sea of Rhun (The inland sea)
The Gates of Argonath (The reaching arm)
Minas Tirith (The Gates of Stone)
Dale/Lake-town (The Water-Town)
Thranduil's caves in Mirkwood (The Elfking's Halls)
The Enchanted River (The Water Dim)
Misty Mountains OR The Carrack (The hills of Stone)
Mount Gundabad (The Mountain Grim)
Head of the 'spine' of the Hithaeglir (Atop the spine)
See above (I am the head)
Followed down the line of Mountains OR down into Eriador (but followed down)
Where am I led? = Rohan OR Eriador

Alternatively,

Caradhras/Fanuidhol the Grey Mountain (The Mountain Grim)
On top of the Mountains (Atop the spine)
On the peak of Cradhras/Fanuidhol -- Cloudy'head' mountain (I am the head)
Down the Redhorn pass/High pass (but followed down)
Where am I led? = Eriador/Rivendell

Hmm I would say that the first version is my best guess.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

ok, hint:

Look at a map of ME... the places should make a recognizable path. The reaching arm is figurative, the map should help. In one place there's a slight backtrack, due to rhyme... (somewhere around the watertown).

The Mountain Grim is the head atop the spine, the place you're led is a specific feature, not a wide area (eg, a named mountain or valley).

Argh, this isn't a very good question, sorry guys [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img].

Sophia

[elven maiden Earwen]

Wait are we in the third age or could we be in the first age?

The Sea of Nurnen (The inland sea)
Bar-adur (The reaching arm)
Morannon (The Gates of Stone)
Lake-town (The Water-Town)
Thranduil's caves in Mirkwood (The elfking's Halls)
The Enchanted River or are we back to Esgorgoth(The Water Dim)
Iron Hills(The hills of Stone)
Eberor(The Mountain Grim)
and thats the far as I get. And I at all close.

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

Perhaps you could let us know, Sophia, how much of the quesion we have guessed rightly so far?

[The Saucepan Man]

OK I've puzzled over this for some time now and stared endlessly at maps of ME, and this is still all that I can come up with:

The inland sea, - Start at the Sea of Rhun
The reaching arm, - Follow the course of the River Running
The Gates of Stone, - To the Gates of Erebor
The Water-Town, - Back past Lake-Town
The Elfking's Halls, - Follow the Forest River past Thranduil's Palace
The Water Dim, - And past the Enchanted River
The hills of Stone, - To Ered Mithrin, the Grey Mountains
The Mountain Grim, - Arriving at Mount Gundabad
Atop the spine,
I am the head,
but followed down, - Follow the Mountains of Angmar
Where am I led? To Carn Dum?

So, is it Carn Dum?

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Saucepan, you're amazing. *bows*

That's perfect. Just as I was berating myself for setting an impossible question. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Sophia

[The Saucepan Man]

Great question, Sophia. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

In fact, so good that I'm going to 'borrow' your format for the next one. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Your journey starts at the war-torn front,
A fortress built to bear the brunt;
Follow the course of the diminutive one,
Joining her sister whose journey is long;
Turn off at the crossing of many stones;
Across the land where the first made their homes;
Then follow the water that falls, on your right
You will see the vale of twilight light;
And then you will find you are back where you started,
Now standing alone, all companions departed.

Like Sophia's question, the rhyme describes a journey. I'm looking for the start/finish point and each of the places/features that make up the journey.

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

If I win, I'll do something different [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img].

Start at the Pellenor Fields around Minas Tirith -- 'War-torn front'
Past Minas Tirith -- 'fortress... to bear the brunt'
Following the small river Erui -- 'diminutive one'
Join the Anduin -- 'sister whose course is long'
Turn around at Pelargir -- 'crossing of stones, where the first made their homes'
Follow the Anduin back up again past Rauros -- 'water that falls on your right'
Until you reeach the river Limlight -- 'vale of twilight light'
Er, take a boat back down Anduin and get off at Osgiliath again. Ta-da -- no I don't think this is entirely right somehow.

[The Saucepan Man]

Nope, Gwaihir, that's not it I'm afraid. If you follow the route, it will definately take you back to your starting point.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Alright Saucepan, I can't make this work quite to my satisfaction, but I'll give it a shot, in the hopes that you'll tell me I'm in the right area [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img].

Your journey starts at the war-torn front,
A fortress built to bear the brunt;- Himring which guarded the March of Maedhros
Follow the course of the diminutive one,- Little Gelion
Joining her sister whose journey is long;- Greater Gelion
Turn off at the crossing of many stones;- Sarn Athrad
Across the land where the first made their homes;- this is where things get sticky. I find myself in Nan Emloth, which is possibly where the first of the Sindar (Elwe and Melian) met, but I really want to say Ladros, where the first house of the Edain dwelt... in the right vicinity, but it doesn't quite work.
Then follow the water that falls, on your right- follow Celon upstream
You will see the vale of twilight light;- Couldn't find that one [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]
And then you will find you are back where you started,
Now standing alone, all companions departed.- the source of the Celon is near Himring...

Missing a few links, but am I near?

[The Saucepan Man]

Well, I think you should have it Sophia as you got the right route and almost all of the locations. The missing ones were:

Across the land where the first made their homes; - Across Estolad, where the first of the Edain to come to Beleriand settled.

You will see the vale of twilight light; - This was Nan-Elmoth, meaning Star-Dusk Valley, which you pass on your right as you follow the Celon upstream.

Please proceed. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

Hmm I can see I'm going to have to pore over a few maps before I try to answer one of these again.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Frozen in time, the solid water;
Lost a wife and kept a daughter.
Along the shore a journey long,
But settled now, near ocean song;
I dare not stay, must safety find,
Yet still I linger, where am I?

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

I believe you are in Vinyamar, and that you are Turgon son of Fingolfin. The 'solid water' is the Helcaraxe; Turgon did lose his wife, although his daughter survived, in this crossing; they marched along the shore to get there; built Vinyamar, near the sea, although they soon had to leave for Gondolin and safety.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

That is it indeed, Gwaihir! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

Ah, how satisfying. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] *cracks knuckles* Ok, a short riddle; try and guess the place from it.

Water crashing endlessly
Dark shores that huddle under;
That bears a lightless memory
That once set of the Valar's thunder.

Tell me if it's too hard and I'll give you a clue ok? I believe I've made it do-able, but then I never am a very good judge of this. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

[Lindolirian]

Cuivienen.

Water crashing endlessly
Dark shores that huddle under; (The star lit bay)
That bears a lightless memory
That once set of the Valar's thunder. (Orome)

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

Good thinking, lindo, I think I'll give it to you. The other answer I would have accepted is Avathar; the darkness coming from Ungoliant's inhabitance there, and the thunder of the feet Tulkas in the hunt for the fugitive Morgoth the answer to the last line.

But, as Cuivenen is equally viable here, you may proceed.

[ August 02, 2003: Message edited by: Gwaihir the Windlord ]

[Lindolirian]

Thanks. Well, I'm gonna be gone for a little while, so I'm gonna hafta give this thread up to who ever wants it.

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

Ok, I'll ask another (easy) one.

Name two gates in Middle-Earth through which flowed a stream or river of water.

[Tulkas the Mighty]

The Front Gate of the Lonely Mountain and the Gate of the Noldor.

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

Excellent, your turn.

[Tulkas the Mighty]

Where was the Camp of the Faithful?

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Amon Rûdh.

[Lindolirian]

It's been more than ten days and I want to keep this theead alive.
What road crosses the Odothui?

[alquadae]

The Greenway [North road] meets the Old South Road at Tharbad which crosses Odothui.

[Lindolirian]

Right you are! Go ahead!

[alquadae]

Having computer problems ,please carry on