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elven maiden Earwen · 04-06-2003, 10:41 AM

Beren - saw a silmaril
Bilbo - saw the Arkenstone
Arwen & Galadriel - saw elasar???????? okay im done

Lyra Greenleaf · 04-06-2003, 10:52 AM

are they all associated with a jewel, Bilbo with the Arkenstone, beren with the Silmaril, Arwen with the Evenstar, Galadriel with Nenya, and Aldarion with...something?

Lalaith · 04-06-2003, 02:29 PM

Lyra, you're really close.
They're not just associated with the jewel, they did something with it...and Galadriel's isn't Nenya...

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 04-06-2003, 02:58 PM

They gave away a jewel? Bilbo gave the arkenstone to the wood-elves and men (although it was eventually returned and buried with Thorin), Beren gave the silmaril to Thingol in exchange for Luthien's hand, Arwen gave the white stone to Frodo, Galadriel gave the Elessar to Aragorn... I can't find Aldarion's though [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

-Sophia

Lalaith · 04-06-2003, 03:05 PM

yay! Sophia's got it.
Aldarion gave Erendis a jewel, a diamond to wear on her brow, before he married her.

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 04-06-2003, 03:07 PM

Yay! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] It'll take me a few minutes to think of a good one, but I'll be back with you pretty quick.

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 04-06-2003, 06:03 PM

Ok, this should be sufficiently difficult.. although you guys are pretty good... here goes.

Ingwe
Glaurung
Telperion
Finwe
Durin
Fangorn (the ent)

-Sophia

elven maiden Earwen · 04-06-2003, 08:15 PM

they all lived in the first age??

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 04-07-2003, 12:46 PM

they did... but I was looking for something a little different.

Lyra Greenleaf · 04-07-2003, 12:59 PM

Are they all the sort of fathers of a race: Durin was one of the seven fathers of the dwarves, Fangorn one of the threee chief ents, Glaurung was father of dragons, telperion was the elder of the trees of Valinor, Ingwe and Finwe were two of the first three leaders of the elves? Or are they known as the "oldest"?

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 04-08-2003, 02:39 AM

Lyra, you're super close... [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Finwe's a bit of a stretch to get his link...

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 04-09-2003, 06:02 PM

I don't know if this clue will help, but here goes...
Ingwe
Glaurung
Telperion
Finwe
Durin
Fangorn (the ent)
and not Feanor (according to Mandos)

elven maiden Earwen had the key word...

-Sophia

Lalaith · 04-09-2003, 06:31 PM

They were all first? Finwe was the first to be slain in Aman, was he not?

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 04-10-2003, 12:08 AM

Bingo!

Finwe was the first slain in Aman
Ingwe was the first high king of the elves (his name also means 'first one')
Glaurung was the first of the dragons
Durin the first dwarf-father to awake
Telperion was the first tree to flower
Fangorn must have been the first of the ents if he was eldest... [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Continue, Lalaith [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 04-14-2003, 02:51 PM

Lalaith? Are you about?

Lalaith · 04-15-2003, 06:02 PM

So sorry! I went away for a few days and forgot I'd left an answer for this...anyway give me til tomorrow and I'll come up with something.

Lalaith · 04-16-2003, 04:50 AM

Here we go:
Gildor
Frodo
Galadriel
Legolas
Sam

This is a bit hard maybe so I'll give you two clues.
The answer is to be found within the text of Lord of the Rings. And there are others who also do this but they are not named specifically.

alaklondewen · 04-16-2003, 07:55 AM

They all sailed into the West?

Amras Oronar · 01-05-2007, 01:15 PM

Hmm.... I looked over a few old ones, and a lot of them I knew, but this ones a complete riddle for me...

Thinlómien · 01-07-2007, 05:39 AM

Okay, you'll have a hint.

In order to be able to know about Celembrimbor, you need to have read the Unfinished Tales.
In order to know about Ted Sandyman in the movies you need to have seen the extended editions.

So focus on Daeron, Maeglin and Gwindor if you're not sure you know the others.

The list is not actually comprehensive or near to perfect. I could add Celegorm and Brandir on it, and I'd probably be still forgetting some people.

So, what do
Daeron
Maeglin
Ted Sandyman in the movies
Gwindor
Celebrimbor
Celegorm
Brandir
have in common?

Does this help at all?

Legate of Amon Lanc · 01-07-2007, 11:01 AM

They were all in love with someone who loved someone else.

I haven't seen the extended, so this brings me to... Ted Sandyman was after Rosie?

That fits to the typical movie storyline, I suppose

Otherwise, Daeron => Lúthien; Maeglin => Idril; Gwindor => Finduilas; Celebrimbor => Galadriel; Celegorm => Lúthien; Brandir => Nienor.

Lalaith · 04-16-2003, 08:02 AM

Well you're right in that they did all do that, but so did many others who are named...that's not what I had in mind.
But you're kind of lukewarm, I'd say.

elven maiden Earwen · 04-16-2003, 10:55 AM

They've all been to Rivendell.

Lalaith · 04-16-2003, 12:09 PM

No, that's not it, either.
It's something they all do if you look at the text of LotR. Something no other named character does.

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 04-16-2003, 12:42 PM

They speak the name of Elbereth? Although, I think Arwen does too...

Hmm... drat, Bilbo does... nevermind

Sophia

[ April 16, 2003: Message edited by: Sophia the Thunder Mistress ]

Lalaith · 04-16-2003, 03:16 PM

Sophia, in fact you're right! The actual answer is that they all *call* to Elbereth.
(Both Aragorn and Bilbo mention her, but they don't call to her. The song calling to Elbereth is sung in Rivendell, and by Gildor's people, but the singer isn't named.)

Well done, your go...

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 04-16-2003, 06:07 PM

Easy one-

Ragnor
Neithan
Forweg
Androg

Sophia

elven maiden Earwen · 04-16-2003, 06:10 PM

they've all been outlaws

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 04-17-2003, 04:38 PM

exactly [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

elven maiden Earwen · 04-17-2003, 04:47 PM

Beren
Turin
Aragorn
Eomer

Lindolirian · 04-21-2003, 08:22 PM

All of their fathers were killed, or in Turin's case, imprisoned while the he was still young. In other words, they were all fatherless.

[ April 23, 2003: Message edited by: Lindolirian ]

elven maiden Earwen · 04-30-2003, 09:46 PM

nope

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 05-01-2003, 10:33 PM

There were (at least) two of all of them, except Eomer.

Aragorn I was a Chieftain of the North, Aragorn Elessar was King of Gondor/Arnor.

Beren Erchamion was wedded to Luthien, Beren of Gondor was the steward who let Saruman have Isengard.

Turin Turambar was tragic, Turins I&II were stewards in Gondor.

Eomer was just Eomer Eadig, King of Rohan.

Sophia

AAAH DRAT! please disregard this post, I got one thing in common confused with odd man out.

[ May 02, 2003: Message edited by: Sophia the Thunder Mistress ]

elven maiden Earwen · 05-02-2003, 07:53 PM

Its ok

Hint:
Beren
Turin
Aragorn
Eomer
Turgon

elven maiden Earwen · 05-05-2003, 07:04 PM

any one?? Its quite easy but most people will skip that fact that it happens to them

Lindolirian · 05-05-2003, 07:21 PM

Umm this is totally out of no where, but...
They had a sword or knife that had a name?

elven maiden Earwen · 05-05-2003, 07:23 PM

nope. It's something they all did.

Estanesse · 05-06-2003, 07:26 AM

They all came to aid a friend or people who were friendly towards them

Beren Attacked the dwarfs because they killed Thingol and to (I think) prevent them from doing more damage in Doriath;
Turin Killed Glaurung and so prevent him from destroying Brethil;
Aragorn came to the aid of Minas Tirith;
Eomer came to the aid of Minas Tirith;
Turgon Came in what looked as a decisive moment to the aid of Finrod and co;

elven maiden Earwen · 05-06-2003, 08:06 PM

nope

hint:
Beren
Turin
Aragorn
Eomer
Turgon
Merry
Pippen

Lindolirian · 05-06-2003, 08:33 PM

Their wives died?

04-06-2003, 10:41 AM	#1
elven maiden Earwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A world that never was and never will be Posts: 1,300	Beren - saw a silmaril Bilbo - saw the Arkenstone Arwen & Galadriel - saw elasar???????? okay im done __________________ We pillage and plunder, we rifle and loot, Drink up me hearties, Yo Ho. the looniest site in the world!!!

04-06-2003, 10:52 AM	#2
Lyra Greenleaf The Diaphanous Dryad Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: R toL: 531, past the wild path Posts: 1,152	are they all associated with a jewel, Bilbo with the Arkenstone, beren with the Silmaril, Arwen with the Evenstar, Galadriel with Nenya, and Aldarion with...something? __________________ “Sylphs of the forest,” I whispered. “Spirits of oak, beech and ash. Dryads of Rowan and hazel, hear us. You who have guided and guarded our every footstep, you who have sheltered our growth, we honour you." the Forbidden Link

04-06-2003, 02:29 PM	#3
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Lyra, you're really close. They're not just associated with the jewel, they did something with it...and Galadriel's isn't Nenya... __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

04-06-2003, 02:58 PM	#4
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,780	They gave away a jewel? Bilbo gave the arkenstone to the wood-elves and men (although it was eventually returned and buried with Thorin), Beren gave the silmaril to Thingol in exchange for Luthien's hand, Arwen gave the white stone to Frodo, Galadriel gave the Elessar to Aragorn... I can't find Aldarion's though [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] -Sophia __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

04-06-2003, 03:05 PM	#5
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	yay! Sophia's got it. Aldarion gave Erendis a jewel, a diamond to wear on her brow, before he married her. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

04-06-2003, 03:07 PM	#6
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,780	Yay! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] It'll take me a few minutes to think of a good one, but I'll be back with you pretty quick. __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

04-06-2003, 06:03 PM	#7
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,780	Ok, this should be sufficiently difficult.. although you guys are pretty good... here goes. Ingwe Glaurung Telperion Finwe Durin Fangorn (the ent) -Sophia __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

04-06-2003, 08:15 PM	#8
elven maiden Earwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A world that never was and never will be Posts: 1,300	they all lived in the first age?? __________________ We pillage and plunder, we rifle and loot, Drink up me hearties, Yo Ho. the looniest site in the world!!!

04-07-2003, 12:46 PM	#9
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,780	they did... but I was looking for something a little different. __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

04-07-2003, 12:59 PM	#10
Lyra Greenleaf The Diaphanous Dryad Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: R toL: 531, past the wild path Posts: 1,152	Are they all the sort of fathers of a race: Durin was one of the seven fathers of the dwarves, Fangorn one of the threee chief ents, Glaurung was father of dragons, telperion was the elder of the trees of Valinor, Ingwe and Finwe were two of the first three leaders of the elves? Or are they known as the "oldest"? __________________ “Sylphs of the forest,” I whispered. “Spirits of oak, beech and ash. Dryads of Rowan and hazel, hear us. You who have guided and guarded our every footstep, you who have sheltered our growth, we honour you." the Forbidden Link

04-08-2003, 02:39 AM	#11
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,780	Lyra, you're super close... [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Finwe's a bit of a stretch to get his link... __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

04-09-2003, 06:02 PM	#12
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,780	I don't know if this clue will help, but here goes... Ingwe Glaurung Telperion Finwe Durin Fangorn (the ent) and not Feanor (according to Mandos) elven maiden Earwen had the key word... -Sophia __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

04-09-2003, 06:31 PM	#13
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	They were all first? Finwe was the first to be slain in Aman, was he not? __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

04-10-2003, 12:08 AM	#14
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,780	Bingo! Finwe was the first slain in Aman Ingwe was the first high king of the elves (his name also means 'first one') Glaurung was the first of the dragons Durin the first dwarf-father to awake Telperion was the first tree to flower Fangorn must have been the first of the ents if he was eldest... [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Continue, Lalaith [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

04-14-2003, 02:51 PM	#15
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,780	Lalaith? Are you about? __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

04-15-2003, 06:02 PM	#16
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	So sorry! I went away for a few days and forgot I'd left an answer for this...anyway give me til tomorrow and I'll come up with something. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

04-16-2003, 04:50 AM	#17
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Here we go: Gildor Frodo Galadriel Legolas Sam This is a bit hard maybe so I'll give you two clues. The answer is to be found within the text of Lord of the Rings. And there are others who also do this but they are not named specifically. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

04-16-2003, 07:55 AM	#18
alaklondewen Song of Seregon Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Following the road less traveled Posts: 1,193	They all sailed into the West? __________________ At last I understand why we have waited! This is the ending. Now not day only shall be beloved, but night too shall be beautiful and blessed and all its fear pass away!

01-05-2007, 01:15 PM	#19
Amras Oronar Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Zoetermeer Posts: 29	Hmm.... I looked over a few old ones, and a lot of them I knew, but this ones a complete riddle for me... Last edited by Amras Oronar; 01-05-2007 at 01:26 PM.

01-07-2007, 05:39 AM	#20
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Okay, you'll have a hint. In order to be able to know about Celembrimbor, you need to have read the Unfinished Tales. In order to know about Ted Sandyman in the movies you need to have seen the extended editions. So focus on Daeron, Maeglin and Gwindor if you're not sure you know the others. The list is not actually comprehensive or near to perfect. I could add Celegorm and Brandir on it, and I'd probably be still forgetting some people. So, what do Daeron Maeglin Ted Sandyman in the movies Gwindor Celebrimbor Celegorm Brandir have in common? Does this help at all? __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

01-07-2007, 11:01 AM	#21
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	They were all in love with someone who loved someone else. I haven't seen the extended, so this brings me to... Ted Sandyman was after Rosie? That fits to the typical movie storyline, I suppose Otherwise, Daeron => Lúthien; Maeglin => Idril; Gwindor => Finduilas; Celebrimbor => Galadriel; Celegorm => Lúthien; Brandir => Nienor. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

04-16-2003, 08:02 AM	#22
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Well you're right in that they did all do that, but so did many others who are named...that's not what I had in mind. But you're kind of lukewarm, I'd say. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

04-16-2003, 10:55 AM	#23
elven maiden Earwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A world that never was and never will be Posts: 1,300	They've all been to Rivendell. __________________ We pillage and plunder, we rifle and loot, Drink up me hearties, Yo Ho. the looniest site in the world!!!

04-16-2003, 12:09 PM	#24
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	No, that's not it, either. It's something they all do if you look at the text of LotR. Something no other named character does. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

04-16-2003, 12:42 PM	#25
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,780	They speak the name of Elbereth? Although, I think Arwen does too... Hmm... drat, Bilbo does... nevermind Sophia [ April 16, 2003: Message edited by: Sophia the Thunder Mistress ] __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

04-16-2003, 03:16 PM	#26
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Sophia, in fact you're right! The actual answer is that they all call to Elbereth. (Both Aragorn and Bilbo mention her, but they don't call to her. The song calling to Elbereth is sung in Rivendell, and by Gildor's people, but the singer isn't named.) Well done, your go... __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

04-16-2003, 06:07 PM	#27
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,780	Easy one- Ragnor Neithan Forweg Androg Sophia __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

04-16-2003, 06:10 PM	#28
elven maiden Earwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A world that never was and never will be Posts: 1,300	they've all been outlaws __________________ We pillage and plunder, we rifle and loot, Drink up me hearties, Yo Ho. the looniest site in the world!!!

04-17-2003, 04:38 PM	#29
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,780	exactly [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

04-17-2003, 04:47 PM	#30
elven maiden Earwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A world that never was and never will be Posts: 1,300	Beren Turin Aragorn Eomer __________________ We pillage and plunder, we rifle and loot, Drink up me hearties, Yo Ho. the looniest site in the world!!!

04-21-2003, 08:22 PM	#31
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	All of their fathers were killed, or in Turin's case, imprisoned while the he was still young. In other words, they were all fatherless. [ April 23, 2003: Message edited by: Lindolirian ] __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

04-30-2003, 09:46 PM	#32
elven maiden Earwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A world that never was and never will be Posts: 1,300	nope __________________ We pillage and plunder, we rifle and loot, Drink up me hearties, Yo Ho. the looniest site in the world!!!

05-01-2003, 10:33 PM	#33
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,780	There were (at least) two of all of them, except Eomer. Aragorn I was a Chieftain of the North, Aragorn Elessar was King of Gondor/Arnor. Beren Erchamion was wedded to Luthien, Beren of Gondor was the steward who let Saruman have Isengard. Turin Turambar was tragic, Turins I&II were stewards in Gondor. Eomer was just Eomer Eadig, King of Rohan. Sophia AAAH DRAT! please disregard this post, I got one thing in common confused with odd man out. [ May 02, 2003: Message edited by: Sophia the Thunder Mistress ] __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

05-02-2003, 07:53 PM	#34
elven maiden Earwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A world that never was and never will be Posts: 1,300	Its ok Hint: Beren Turin Aragorn Eomer Turgon __________________ We pillage and plunder, we rifle and loot, Drink up me hearties, Yo Ho. the looniest site in the world!!!

05-05-2003, 07:04 PM	#35
elven maiden Earwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A world that never was and never will be Posts: 1,300	any one?? Its quite easy but most people will skip that fact that it happens to them __________________ We pillage and plunder, we rifle and loot, Drink up me hearties, Yo Ho. the looniest site in the world!!!