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Firefoot · 06-05-2015, 08:19 PM

I'm not sure how I feel about the Lover sacrifice... so there are 15 of us now, with somewhere between 2 and 6 wolves still alive (probably - what happens if there is one wolf left in pack A and at Night wolf pack B kills that wolf? Do both packs get a kill still? I would guess so). If we lynched a Lover toDay, I think we have to count on at least 5 kills before that Lover comes back (two at Night, one the Day the Lover is away, and two the next Night). Worst case scenario, this actually results in a village loss (3 innocents and all 6 wolves still alive) before the Lover comes back. On the other hand, the amount of information that could be gained this way is potentially very high.

If we're going this direction though, I think the Ranger would be a far better choice than the Lover - no ties to point to another innocent that would be a target of the wolves, and no risk that the partner is killed, foiling the whole plan and wasting a lynch toDay. Plus, the Ranger becomes super-powered when s/he comes back.

I'd also really like to know about the Seer - if they're still alive, they've got 6 dreams this point - that could be useful at this point (completely game changing, actually). Depends on who the subjects of the dreams have been though, I suppose, so I suppose the Seer knows best when it's best to reveal his/herself. On the other hand, if the Seer is dead, that information would be readily available in the dead thread (the Seer no longer having reason to hide, since they can't die again), strengthening the argument for lynching the Ranger.

Maybe the Ranger or one of the Lovers is already dead though, and will come back to us tomorrow... we did just lose an awful lot of people.

I don't know. It's the sort of thing where I can't believe we're really discussing this, but we really need some solid information soon.

Speaking of the Ranger, it's possible there was supposed to be a third kill on Night 2 but the Ranger was successful.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 06-05-2015, 08:26 PM

On the one hand, I'm very hopeful that we're three or so wolves down by now.

On the other, I bet most of the Seer's dreams are spent on dead people.

Kuruharan · 06-05-2015, 09:08 PM

Perhaps an illustration will help...

NIGHT W
Lover 1 is killed
Lover 2 survives NIGHT and remains in Living Thread

DAY X
Lover 1 is in the Dead Thread and has all sorts of exciting and interesting conversations
Lover 2 is not lynched and survives DAY and remains in Living Thread

NIGHT Y
Lover 1 is in Dead Thread getting the maximum amount of information up until the time the DAY Z narration is posted
Lover 2 survives NIGHT and remains in Living Thread

DAY Z
LO! Lover 1 is resurrected and has all sorts of delicious info!
Lover 2 is overjoyed!

NIGHT ZZZZZZZZ
Lover 1 dies again and returns to the Dead Thread
Lover 2 is sad but remains in the Living Thread

If Lover 2 is lynched on DAY X or killed during NIGHT Y then both Lovers remain in the Dead Thread and the Living Thread gets no information.

I hope that clarifies.

satansaloser2005 · 06-05-2015, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuruharan

Perhaps an illustration will help...

NIGHT W
Lover 1 is killed
Lover 2 survives NIGHT and remains in Living Thread

DAY X
Lover 1 is in the Dead Thread and has all sorts of exciting and interesting conversations
Lover 2 is not lynched and survives DAY and remains in Living Thread

NIGHT Y
Lover 1 is in Dead Thread getting the maximum amount of information up until the time the DAY Z narration is posted
Lover 2 survives NIGHT and remains in Living Thread

DAY Z
LO! Lover 1 is resurrected and has all sorts of delicious info!
Lover 2 is overjoyed!

NIGHT ZZZZZZZZ
Lover 1 dies again and returns to the Dead Thread
Lover 2 is sad but remains in the Living Thread

If Lover 2 is lynched on DAY X or killed during NIGHT Y then both Lovers remain in the Dead Thread and the Living Thread gets no information.

I hope that clarifies.

Honestly, I'm a little more confused now than I was initially, at least in a way.

Say a lover is lynched toDay. Her beloved must survive the Night, the next Day, and the next Night as well in order for her to return? Is that correct?

McCaber · 06-05-2015, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Honestly, I'm a little more confused now than I was initially, at least in a way.

Say a lover is lynched toDay. Her beloved must survive the Night, the next Day, and the next Night as well in order for her to return? Is that correct?

From what I can tell: a lover is lynched at the start of a Night. The partner then survives until the start of the next Day and is not lynched. At the start of that Night, the first lover comes back.

Kuruharan · 06-05-2015, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Say a lover is lynched toDay. Her beloved must survive the Night, the next Day, and the next Night as well in order for her to return? Is that correct?

Yes.

Boromir88 · 06-05-2015, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

On the one hand, I'm very hopeful that we're three or so wolves down by now.

On the other, I bet most of the Seer's dreams are spent on dead people.

Ok, den-dweller , any particular reason you think we've already got a few wolves...and thus contemplate spending one of our lynch chances that can be used to get a wolf on one of the lovers?

Nerwen · 06-05-2015, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Firefoot

If we're going this direction though, I think the Ranger would be a far better choice than the Lover - no ties to point to another innocent that would be a target of the wolves, and no risk that the partner is killed, foiling the whole plan and wasting a lynch toDay. Plus, the Ranger becomes super-powered when s/he comes back.

I'd also really like to know about the Seer - if they're still alive, they've got 6 dreams this point - that could be useful at this point (completely game changing, actually). Depends on who the subjects of the dreams have been though, I suppose, so I suppose the Seer knows best when it's best to reveal his/herself. On the other hand, if the Seer is dead, that information would be readily available in the dead thread (the Seer no longer having reason to hide, since they can't die again), strengthening the argument for lynching the Ranger.

But the Ranger does not become "super-powered". He (or she) merely gets an extra protection to compensate for being exposed:

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Ranger - Like the lovers, if killed the Ranger will spend one DAY cycle in the Dead Thread and then return to the Living Thread the next DAY. The Ranger has one protection initially. If the Ranger dies and is resurrected, the Ranger then has two protections. The Ranger can self-protect but cannot protect a person twice in a row. The Ranger cannot protect someone from being lynched, nor can the Ranger protect someone from a Hunter kill.

Edit:x'd since our mod.

06-05-2015, 08:19 PM	#1
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	I'm not sure how I feel about the Lover sacrifice... so there are 15 of us now, with somewhere between 2 and 6 wolves still alive (probably - what happens if there is one wolf left in pack A and at Night wolf pack B kills that wolf? Do both packs get a kill still? I would guess so). If we lynched a Lover toDay, I think we have to count on at least 5 kills before that Lover comes back (two at Night, one the Day the Lover is away, and two the next Night). Worst case scenario, this actually results in a village loss (3 innocents and all 6 wolves still alive) before the Lover comes back. On the other hand, the amount of information that could be gained this way is potentially very high. If we're going this direction though, I think the Ranger would be a far better choice than the Lover - no ties to point to another innocent that would be a target of the wolves, and no risk that the partner is killed, foiling the whole plan and wasting a lynch toDay. Plus, the Ranger becomes super-powered when s/he comes back. I'd also really like to know about the Seer - if they're still alive, they've got 6 dreams this point - that could be useful at this point (completely game changing, actually). Depends on who the subjects of the dreams have been though, I suppose, so I suppose the Seer knows best when it's best to reveal his/herself. On the other hand, if the Seer is dead, that information would be readily available in the dead thread (the Seer no longer having reason to hide, since they can't die again), strengthening the argument for lynching the Ranger. Maybe the Ranger or one of the Lovers is already dead though, and will come back to us tomorrow... we did just lose an awful lot of people. I don't know. It's the sort of thing where I can't believe we're really discussing this, but we really need some solid information soon. Speaking of the Ranger, it's possible there was supposed to be a third kill on Night 2 but the Ranger was successful. Last edited by Firefoot; 06-05-2015 at 08:20 PM. Reason: x'ed with Boro.

06-05-2015, 08:26 PM	#2
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	On the one hand, I'm very hopeful that we're three or so wolves down by now. On the other, I bet most of the Seer's dreams are spent on dead people. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

06-05-2015, 09:08 PM	#3
Kuruharan Regal Dwarven Shade Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A Remote Dwarven Hold Posts: 3,593	Apparently I am terrible at writing Lover rules... Perhaps an illustration will help... NIGHT W Lover 1 is killed Lover 2 survives NIGHT and remains in Living Thread DAY X Lover 1 is in the Dead Thread and has all sorts of exciting and interesting conversations Lover 2 is not lynched and survives DAY and remains in Living Thread NIGHT Y Lover 1 is in Dead Thread getting the maximum amount of information up until the time the DAY Z narration is posted Lover 2 survives NIGHT and remains in Living Thread DAY Z LO! Lover 1 is resurrected and has all sorts of delicious info! Lover 2 is overjoyed! NIGHT ZZZZZZZZ Lover 1 dies again and returns to the Dead Thread Lover 2 is sad but remains in the Living Thread If Lover 2 is lynched on DAY X or killed during NIGHT Y then both Lovers remain in the Dead Thread and the Living Thread gets no information. I hope that clarifies. __________________ ...finding a path that cannot be found, walking a road that cannot be seen, climbing a ladder that was never placed, or reading a paragraph that has no...