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In one sense, not showing that the people of Middle Earth did the same thing feels unrealistic. Today, this is less politically correct than it once was. Still, there are less than flattering names and stereotypes associated with middle eastern terrorists. Yes, Middle Earth supposedly reflects our own world in the distant past. Yes, people's skin colors and cultures shift as one goes away from the Shire in a way that vaguely echoes the real world. No, racism was not a major theme being pushed by the professor. He had a lot of other themes he was playing with in much more significant ways, and he tried to deny that these more blatant themes were being used in an allegorical way. Yet, if one is writing epic fiction centered around issues of good and evil, it's very hard to make one's tale uninterpretable as allegory. Anyway, I haven't been inspired to go out and find a citizen of Far Harad to harass. |
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I'd also note a great deal of segregation in Middle Earth. The men of Rohan and Gondor spoke ill of the Lady of the Golden Wood. Galadriel and Fangorn lived very near to one another's borders for Ages, yet never visited one another. King Aragorn forbade Big Folk from entering the Shire. I believe one theme of LoTR is that the cultures were diverse enough that various free people might best live totally separated from one another, and yet each of these free people could recognize The Enemy when the time came. They didn't unite under a single government, but they contributed, each in their own way. This trend for diverse cultures to live apart from one another, to recognize and honor borders while not encountering those living on the other side of the borders, is not the same as what we see in the real world. Still, it is worth noting. Last edited by blantyr; 04-18-2014 at 04:26 AM. Reason: Spelling |
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I don't think 'racist' is quite the right word, though he did have some fractures in his mind that are very apparent to me. Tolkien tends to 'essentialise' (i.e. make literal) a demarcation of good and evil across racial divides--excepting men--who he casts as on a spectrum. Therefore, it's no so much a racism cast over skin tones, but across racial divides. Elves versus Orcs, case in point. There was no configuration in the dialogue of any attempt to reconcile the divide. Orcs, fundamentally 'evil', or just having more of the 'reptilian mind' and more of the baser impulses? His entire notion of 'evil' was quite revealing of his own mind. I have pointed out, for example, that Turgon tossed Eol off a cliff. The Noldor were a deeply imperialistic peoples. These are just some examples of the 'double speak' that was part of the Tolkienian universe of unresolvables. |
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They essay is infected by Martinez-ism. By "brown" and "swarthy" Tolkien was only referring to the more suntanned end of European coloration. ("Swarthy," for example, was often used to describe the pirate Bartholomew "Black Bart" Roberts - who was a Welshman).
It also contains some straight up mis-statements of fact, such as "hobbits as aborigines:" 1) Tolkien never said it, indeed it contradicts his explicit history, and 2) Tolkien of course would have been using the word literally, as he did (in draft) of Bombadil, not in reference to Australia's pre-European population.
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Tolkien, a few years after LotR appeared, made a public denunciation of apartheid in South Africa on 5th June 1959, during his Valedictory Address to the University of Oxford.
He spoke of his South African birth, and that he did 'not claim to be the most learned of those', who have come from South Africa. But I have the hatred of apartheid in my bones; and most of all I detest the segregation or separation of Language and Literature. I do not care which of them you think White. (J. R. R. Tolkien, The Monsters and the Critics and Other Essays, (London: HarperCollins Publishers, 1997), p. 238) |
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