Werewolf LIII: The Republic - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Feanor of the Peredhil · 12-01-2008, 10:52 AM

Psh. I was talking about like the first three days when I'd have a one hour class, come back and find like four pages of banter.

It really wasn't that bad catching up yesterday.

Thinlómien · 12-01-2008, 11:52 AM

Something sad happened and I've been rather down all day, so I couldn't bring myself to actually start thinking about stuff like "who's the last werewolf" but now I feel a little better and will do my best to do something. So, without further whining...

Well, first off, I'm more than surprised to see that this game is still going on. As you might have noticed, I was rather confident that Gwath was our last wolf. Whoever is our last wolf is doing rather convincing job.

I think we shouldn't make too much out of the lack of a kill. It could mean basically anything and we are just going to distract ourselves if we concentrate on it.

Yeah, that wasn't much, I know. I'll be back soon to say more stuff. Meanwhile, I'll let Greenie post.

A Little Green · 12-01-2008, 12:21 PM

I just had the worst day in a long while - I don't know how much I'll post toDay. It was lovely, though, that there was a break so I didn't miss much during my time in Paris.

Now to topic, then - I'm surprised that Gwath wasn't guilty, but then, my instincts have been horribly wrong all game. *sigh* I should probably make a list - the ones who are left all seem innocentish to me. Yeah, I probably make a list and then vote a rep. Just by intuition I'd say Lommy and Rune at least are innocent. Yes and Lommy, I'd love to know what that factual evidence is if you only could share it.

Anyone around?

A Little Green · 12-01-2008, 12:41 PM

I'M QUITE CONVINCED ARE INNOCENT:
Lommy
Nerwen
Rune
They all seem very innocentish. (Ah what a reason!) Yeah, that's just the general feel I get from their posts. They have good points, react genuinely to things and act reasonably.

I'M NOT CONVINCED ARE INNOCENT:
Kath - I have lost my once-good read on her. I no longer am so sure of her innocence, but I still think she's not the last wolf. (I see I'm not making any sense whatsoever. I'm having a bit of fever and very tired and not quite feeling myself anyway. Ah well.) She brought up good points yesterDay, though.
Brinniel - People have brought up good points about her. Let's say I don't know right now. I don't suspect her, but am not convinced she's innocent, either.
Gil-Galad - I can't be convinced either way with the lack of evidence.
Ilya - Still under my Rudolph, I'm afraid. She's the one I'm most uncomfortable with right now, mainly because I feel generally quite good about the others.

I'm going to sleep soon. Sorry to be like this, but I'm really too tired and confused with everything to concentrate more.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 12-01-2008, 12:42 PM

Girls, do you want me to pause the game to give you some time? Please let me know...

A Little Green · 12-01-2008, 12:45 PM

I see there's no one else here - a pity, I'd have liked to have a chat with someone before leaving and hear a bit about who you others are voting for rep. Well, no can do.

++ Rune for rep

Content, eh?

Now really, I'm quite convinced of his innocence and trust his judgement (even though it's been almost as bad as mine...

).

I'm off to bed. I'll try to be more active toMorrow, but for now good night.

Thinlómien · 12-01-2008, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Fea

Girls, do you want me to pause the game to give you some time? Please let me know...

Thanks Fea for asking that

but I think that's unnecessary - we'll be alright...

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Originally Posted by Greenie

Yes and Lommy, I'd love to know what that factual evidence is if you only could share it.

I've shared it when it's appeared, but I'll gather it for you to one single post. Maybe going through them will also prove which one of them is wrong.

Ok, I'll do that next. That's a place to start.

Thinlómien · 12-01-2008, 01:33 PM

Ilya

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Originally Posted by me

This

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Originally Posted by morm

Okay I am just to this line and found it odd. It would seem to me that this is the first time Ilya has played, correct? If he/she (sorry I don't know which) were to be a wolf with Legate, there would be some aprehension and fear associated with such a role on the first time.

caught my eye. Could this hint that Ilya is innocent since morm knows so little about her and one could assume he would know his fellow wolf's gender and whether she's a first-timer or not? But surely, it could be just bluff as well... (I remember I was once a wolf with xyzzy and while I was lynched early on he got really far because he pretended to be confused about something related to me, asking "who's Lommy", or something like that.)

Nerwen

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Originally Posted by me

I wonder if wolf-Nerwen and wolf-morm would have started such a fight with each other. As far as I know, they don't know each other particularily well, so the possibility of a beforehand-planned wolf-on-wolf fight seems less probable... Also, morm almost got her lynched. I don't know if the wolves would have taken such a risk for no obvious benefits...

Rune

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Originally Posted by me

Rune seems more innocent of the two, though. There are some wuotes that make me think he's innocent. Like this:

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Originally Posted by Rune

About Nogrod: I cannot put my finger on it, but something seems different about him in this game. I don't know if it is just because he has been more or less ignoring my existance or there is something more sinicter behind.

Would a wolf say this about a fellow? Spotlight the fact that his fellow has avoided making any ties to him? I don't think so...

Kath

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Originally Posted by Brinn

And Kath looks more innocent because unless she didn't get the Nightly PMs, I don't see how she could miss Legate's death without bluffing (and I don't think she would).

Gil

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Originally Posted by Kath

Actually given that there WAS a kill last Night I'm thinking it's unlikely he is a wolf.

Brinn and Greenie - no "evidence".

Comments to follow in next post...

Thinlómien · 12-01-2008, 02:28 PM

Okay, what I now think of my "evidence"...

Nerwen and Ilya evidences don't tell us anything and thus maybe should be ignored... but I still can't do that 100%.

However minor it is, I think my evidence for Rune actually is the most convincing - apart from the Gil evidence, that is. In the case of Rune I'd like to emphasise that it's more often the small things against someone's wolvishness that are true...

As for the Kath evidence... it is the most baffling... I mean, it looks so obvious that a wolf would know who was lynched but it looks equally obvious that an innocent would check whether they're alive or not before posting!

So I will really have to think about stuff...

Thinlómien · 12-01-2008, 03:07 PM

++Rune for rep

Because I feel I can trust him the best although I can't.

Kath · 12-01-2008, 03:18 PM

Out of those who are left my suspicions lie with Rune and Brinn. Brinn was turning round on the Gwath thing yesterDay and as he has now been proven innocent it seems a little odd. Rune ... Rune is a tough nut, I would say it's the way he reacted to this no kill last Night.

Now, the no kill ... I could potentially see it being a bit of a clumsy tactic. Perhaps even an attempt to frame Gil. But it is so risky for a lone wolf to allow the numbers to be against them for an extra Day so I doubt it. It could be the result of someone being busy during the break, not realising quite when we were starting again, I know I was surprised to see posts again this morning.

To answer Lommy, I said 'technically' in that post. I'd seen people mentioning me in the thread when I'd done a quick skim without use of past tense and so just assumed I was alright to post. I had some idea that I was ok to do it, I just hadn't checked.

Thinlómien · 12-01-2008, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Kath

ow, the no kill ... I could potentially see it being a bit of a clumsy tactic. Perhaps even an attempt to frame Gil. But it is so risky for a lone wolf to allow the numbers to be against them for an extra Day so I doubt it.

If it indeed was a tactic, I would think it was yours - a way to go around the problem that you are generally suspected the least and thus would be the most logical kill.

Brinniel · 12-02-2008, 08:48 PM

I'm not gonna bother attempting any long analysis because if Ilya is indeed the final wolf, it'll just be wasted time. But I'll still share some quick thoughts before deadline:

Gil-Galad: Hasn't shown up, therefore nothing new.

Greenie: Is a slippery one. I still can't get a good read on her and while part of me wants to trust her, I'm just not sure.

Lommy: Everyone seems to think her innocent, which worries me. While there's nothing about her that I find particularly suspicious, I can imagine a sneaky Lommy-wolf snickering in the background.

Kath: Is someone I could see as a possible wolf, but I'm not sure.

Nerwen: Hasn't shown up for the second half of the Day. She's still a question mark, yet her quietness does worry me.

Rune: I'm feeling a bit better about him. If he were the wolf, I think he would've gone ahead and chosen to lynch me. After all, a vote for me wouldn't exactly be suspicious coming from him since he does typically suspect me in every game.

Ilya: The one doomed to die. She was another I wasn't sure about. I like her style, though I found it a tad frustrating that she didn't provide a whole lot of substance. Yet, her parting post makes me think she might be innocent after all. The post sounds genuine and as I mentioned, she does give some good advice. 'Tis a shame though that it took her getting lynched to say it.

Hmm...while I'm doubtful of Ilya's guilt, I do hope she actually is the last wolf. Otherwise I'm afraid I'm gonna have to do a lot of research come toMorrow because I have no clue.

Nerwen · 12-02-2008, 10:11 PM

Sorry, I simply haven't been able to post all day.

So Ilya's got it. Well, yes, it could be her... still a half-random lynch, though... and though I suspected her earlier in the game, she's seemed fairly okay since then.

*sigh* The trouble is that we've all been too tied up with RL to play properly.

If it's not her, I suggest we take note of her parting words and have a look at the more influential players.

Lommy and Greenie both fit that bill and yet have managed to avoid suspicion... too much so? Hmmn.

And Kath... I'd been thinking she doesn't seem like a Kathwolf, but then I realised I've never played with one. I tend to assume she's innocent, but that's probably not a good thing.

Rune– well, he's another I've been thinking of him as innocent, mainly because it seems to me that a wolf wouldn't have made his ties to morm so obvious... but again that may not be a safe assumption.

Brinniel –well, yes, she's helped build up suspicion on people who turned out innocent, stuff like that... but I don't see her "turnaround" on Gwath as suspicious. It's what I was thinking as I read through yesterDay.

Gil –at least two people have said they don't feel as if there IS a wolf in the game. Maybe he's the reason. We're just assuming Fea wouldn't do that to us.

So yeah, you're all wolves.

EDIT: X'd with Fea. Sorry, O Moddess. I thought I had more time.

12-01-2008, 10:52 AM	#1
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	Psh. I was talking about like the first three days when I'd have a one hour class, come back and find like four pages of banter. It really wasn't that bad catching up yesterday. __________________ peace

12-01-2008, 11:52 AM	#2
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Something sad happened and I've been rather down all day, so I couldn't bring myself to actually start thinking about stuff like "who's the last werewolf" but now I feel a little better and will do my best to do something. So, without further whining... Well, first off, I'm more than surprised to see that this game is still going on. As you might have noticed, I was rather confident that Gwath was our last wolf. Whoever is our last wolf is doing rather convincing job. I think we shouldn't make too much out of the lack of a kill. It could mean basically anything and we are just going to distract ourselves if we concentrate on it. Yeah, that wasn't much, I know. I'll be back soon to say more stuff. Meanwhile, I'll let Greenie post. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

12-01-2008, 12:21 PM	#3
A Little Green Leaf-clad Lady Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,571	I just had the worst day in a long while - I don't know how much I'll post toDay. It was lovely, though, that there was a break so I didn't miss much during my time in Paris. Now to topic, then - I'm surprised that Gwath wasn't guilty, but then, my instincts have been horribly wrong all game. sigh I should probably make a list - the ones who are left all seem innocentish to me. Yeah, I probably make a list and then vote a rep. Just by intuition I'd say Lommy and Rune at least are innocent. Yes and Lommy, I'd love to know what that factual evidence is if you only could share it. Anyone around? __________________ "But some stories, small, simple ones about setting out on adventures or people doing wonders, tales of miracles and monsters, have outlasted all the people who told them, and some of them have outlasted the lands in which they were created."

12-01-2008, 12:41 PM	#4
A Little Green Leaf-clad Lady Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,571	I'M QUITE CONVINCED ARE INNOCENT: Lommy Nerwen Rune They all seem very innocentish. (Ah what a reason!) Yeah, that's just the general feel I get from their posts. They have good points, react genuinely to things and act reasonably. I'M NOT CONVINCED ARE INNOCENT: Kath - I have lost my once-good read on her. I no longer am so sure of her innocence, but I still think she's not the last wolf. (I see I'm not making any sense whatsoever. I'm having a bit of fever and very tired and not quite feeling myself anyway. Ah well.) She brought up good points yesterDay, though. Brinniel - People have brought up good points about her. Let's say I don't know right now. I don't suspect her, but am not convinced she's innocent, either. Gil-Galad - I can't be convinced either way with the lack of evidence. Ilya - Still under my Rudolph, I'm afraid. She's the one I'm most uncomfortable with right now, mainly because I feel generally quite good about the others. I'm going to sleep soon. Sorry to be like this, but I'm really too tired and confused with everything to concentrate more. __________________ "But some stories, small, simple ones about setting out on adventures or people doing wonders, tales of miracles and monsters, have outlasted all the people who told them, and some of them have outlasted the lands in which they were created."

12-01-2008, 12:42 PM	#5
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	Girls, do you want me to pause the game to give you some time? Please let me know... __________________ peace

12-01-2008, 12:45 PM	#6
A Little Green Leaf-clad Lady Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,571	I see there's no one else here - a pity, I'd have liked to have a chat with someone before leaving and hear a bit about who you others are voting for rep. Well, no can do. ++ Rune for rep Content, eh? Now really, I'm quite convinced of his innocence and trust his judgement (even though it's been almost as bad as mine... ). I'm off to bed. I'll try to be more active toMorrow, but for now good night. __________________ "But some stories, small, simple ones about setting out on adventures or people doing wonders, tales of miracles and monsters, have outlasted all the people who told them, and some of them have outlasted the lands in which they were created."

12-01-2008, 02:28 PM	#9
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Okay, what I now think of my "evidence"... Nerwen and Ilya evidences don't tell us anything and thus maybe should be ignored... but I still can't do that 100%. However minor it is, I think my evidence for Rune actually is the most convincing - apart from the Gil evidence, that is. In the case of Rune I'd like to emphasise that it's more often the small things against someone's wolvishness that are true... As for the Kath evidence... it is the most baffling... I mean, it looks so obvious that a wolf would know who was lynched but it looks equally obvious that an innocent would check whether they're alive or not before posting! So I will really have to think about stuff... __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

12-01-2008, 03:07 PM	#10
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	++Rune for rep Because I feel I can trust him the best although I can't. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

12-01-2008, 03:18 PM	#11
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	Out of those who are left my suspicions lie with Rune and Brinn. Brinn was turning round on the Gwath thing yesterDay and as he has now been proven innocent it seems a little odd. Rune ... Rune is a tough nut, I would say it's the way he reacted to this no kill last Night. Now, the no kill ... I could potentially see it being a bit of a clumsy tactic. Perhaps even an attempt to frame Gil. But it is so risky for a lone wolf to allow the numbers to be against them for an extra Day so I doubt it. It could be the result of someone being busy during the break, not realising quite when we were starting again, I know I was surprised to see posts again this morning. To answer Lommy, I said 'technically' in that post. I'd seen people mentioning me in the thread when I'd done a quick skim without use of past tense and so just assumed I was alright to post. I had some idea that I was ok to do it, I just hadn't checked. __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

12-02-2008, 08:48 PM	#13
Brinniel Reflection of Darkness Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Polishing the stars. Well, somebody has to do it; they're looking a little bit dull. Posts: 2,983	I'm not gonna bother attempting any long analysis because if Ilya is indeed the final wolf, it'll just be wasted time. But I'll still share some quick thoughts before deadline: Gil-Galad: Hasn't shown up, therefore nothing new. Greenie: Is a slippery one. I still can't get a good read on her and while part of me wants to trust her, I'm just not sure. Lommy: Everyone seems to think her innocent, which worries me. While there's nothing about her that I find particularly suspicious, I can imagine a sneaky Lommy-wolf snickering in the background. Kath: Is someone I could see as a possible wolf, but I'm not sure. Nerwen: Hasn't shown up for the second half of the Day. She's still a question mark, yet her quietness does worry me. Rune: I'm feeling a bit better about him. If he were the wolf, I think he would've gone ahead and chosen to lynch me. After all, a vote for me wouldn't exactly be suspicious coming from him since he does typically suspect me in every game. Ilya: The one doomed to die. She was another I wasn't sure about. I like her style, though I found it a tad frustrating that she didn't provide a whole lot of substance. Yet, her parting post makes me think she might be innocent after all. The post sounds genuine and as I mentioned, she does give some good advice. 'Tis a shame though that it took her getting lynched to say it. Hmm...while I'm doubtful of Ilya's guilt, I do hope she actually is the last wolf. Otherwise I'm afraid I'm gonna have to do a lot of research come toMorrow because I have no clue. __________________ Nolite te bastardes carborundorum

12-02-2008, 10:11 PM	#14
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Sorry, I simply haven't been able to post all day. So Ilya's got it. Well, yes, it could be her... still a half-random lynch, though... and though I suspected her earlier in the game, she's seemed fairly okay since then. sigh The trouble is that we've all been too tied up with RL to play properly. If it's not her, I suggest we take note of her parting words and have a look at the more influential players. Lommy and Greenie both fit that bill and yet have managed to avoid suspicion... too much so? Hmmn. And Kath... I'd been thinking she doesn't seem like a Kathwolf, but then I realised I've never played with one. I tend to assume she's innocent, but that's probably not a good thing. Rune– well, he's another I've been thinking of him as innocent, mainly because it seems to me that a wolf wouldn't have made his ties to morm so obvious... but again that may not be a safe assumption. Brinniel –well, yes, she's helped build up suspicion on people who turned out innocent, stuff like that... but I don't see her "turnaround" on Gwath as suspicious. It's what I was thinking as I read through yesterDay. Gil –at least two people have said they don't feel as if there IS a wolf in the game. Maybe he's the reason. We're just assuming Fea wouldn't do that to us. So yeah, you're all wolves. EDIT: X'd with Fea. Sorry, O Moddess. I thought I had more time. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.