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01-25-2008, 08:45 PM | #401 |
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My apologies for not seeing the immortality thing.
OK, in that case, we really shouldn't lynch Lommy. Valier could be an option, but it still hangs on whether Legate was telling the truth about being innocent. McCaber's lynching would give us the advantage of knowing for sure that the wolf from his Day is dead, but we've only got a 1 in 3 chance that he's a Wolf. I'm planning to vote for Valier, as there are better odds that she's a wolf from my point of view (but it's still 1 in 3 from yours, as I know many of you doubt my claim of being a Protector).
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hello dear villagers. let me apologize again for my lateness. I have read through most of yesterday but I wanted to make a few things clear.
I think I may have been wrong in lynching Legate. I think he was the gifted. Menel is the wolf. I was actually surprised when I read very early on in the day that Menel suspected me, and then votes me with no hesitation. I think to myself why would he suspect me right away, when he was the one who voted Legate in the first place... I also noticed this in Legate's post Quote:
Ok I am going to finish up my reading and I'll be back to comment on the other groups of threes.
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I myself am leaning towards taking our chances with lynching Lommy. Even if it is a wasted lynch our numbers are a bit better. If we choose to lynch someone else, odds are we will choose wrongly. Then toMorrow we will only have one more than the wolves, assuming whomever is targeted is not saved by protection.
I'm confused at the wolves' strategy.. Why they did not go after Menel in being a protector, means he is a wolf. Or that they didn't want to kill him, and show that he truly is a protector. Thus pointing the wolf finger at Valier.
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Ok so as promised my take so far on the groups. Mostly take into account that I am assuming that one of the two of each group is a wolf and not counting if a wolf was indeed killed in stage one.
Roa, Naria and McCaber I think Roa was the gifted, and Naria an Ordo. McCaber I believe is the wolf of this group. To me it seems the kill of Naria would be a perfect plan to draw suspicion away from McCaber. Who would think a wolf would kill the remaining group member (of their day) and put them in the spotlight? especially when they have been highly suspected. A wolf that wants to hide in the spotlight, hoping they will pass as an innocent. Seems like a good wolf plan to me. I believe the wolves killed Naria as an easy kill, ridding them of a potential threat as a quiet gifted, or simply a quiet Ordo. If McCaber has to be a sacrifice to get the remaining wolves farther, I believe since he has been suspected that would be a good plan. Aganzir, Shasta, Ka I am far more inclined to thing Aganzir a wolf. Ka's posts are always a little eccentric for me, but she seems innocent. I agree that if she was a wolf I doubt she would have clarified such rules for us. Aganzir has been off to me, but not in a very high way. I don't find her all that suspicious. But of the two she is indeed furrier. Lommy, Nogrod and The Might Wow this one is confusing.... There is no way that Lommy is the seer. I do admit that Rikae could have been Wolfgrod's lover. Volo is not reveling roles in the narration so Hunted by Nogrod could just be what he put because Nogrod was claiming to hunt Rikae or McCaber. Which he could have said all that, knowing full well if he died so would Rikae, so why not pretend to be the Hunter? It would explain quite nicely to the village why Rikae died too. In doing this he could totally frame Lommy. And possibly he was going to bring his "fellow wolf" with him when he died, pointing blame again away from a WolfCaber, when Rikae went instead. But this Leaves Lommy...since she can't be the Seer, seeing as I'm not a wolf. I believe we have a Cobbler on our hands. Who else is put in the village to confuse and torment the village and help the wolves as much as she can? Since Nogrod could not have known she was the cobbler he had no problem pointing us towards her anyways. The Might was almost certainly an Ordo, so If Nogrod was a wolf, Lommy could indeed be a Cobbler....they are considered gifted right? Ok well either way Lommy needs to go. I think she just may have used her immortality today, but there is always tomorrow. I do say that we try not to take too much of what she says to heart, cause she is evil, no matter wolf or Cobbler. Sally, Kath, Gil Kath I think is innocent, weather it be Ordo or Gifted. I'm not quite sure why she suspects me so much, but I do agree with alot she says and her reasons make sense. Sally, I'm inclined to think would be the wolf of the two. Again I'm not quite sure yet, but I am pretty sure Gil was not a wolf, so one of these two must be furry. Azaliea, Brinnel, Groin I like the way Brinn thinks, most of what she says makes sense, so I think her more Innocent. Zali has however been raising on my radar, not sure why yet, I'll be looking more into these two. Greenie, Isabel, Rikae So if Rikae was indeed a lover, that would make her an Ordo? I'm not sure I was convinced of Greenies guilt. I will be looking over Isa's post here shorty. I'll have to vote before I got to bed tonight, I am leaning towards Menel or McCaber. i do want to look at Isa, Brinn and Zali more before I do make up my mind.
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So I guess I'm confused as to where this talk of lovers being ordo's is coming from and what not. Edit, spelling.
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I'm finally here. I agree that it would not be a good idea to lynch Lommy, with that immorality thing. And with Rikae's death, she does look mighty wolvish. Save her for later.
Naria seemed an easy kill for the wolves, if only for the lack of paper trail. But did they do it to cast suspicion on me, or did I do it to make you think the wolves cast suspicions on me, or did the wolves think of that and try to triple-bluff it? That said, time for me to move on. Ka seems innocent at first glance, just for mentioning the immortality. Menel is looking like a wolf to me right now. He was quick to claim to be gifted when he really didn't need to. From his day, he seems the worst.
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As of now I'm still leaning towards McCaber or Menel. I've got to go to bed, I gotta work early. I will come on and vote before I go.
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Well, I think I'll vote now and get it over with.
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That likelihood is a little too far out, even for me. Though, as far as rules go, I am not so sure beyond what happened last night and toDay's immortality protection. What will happen in the future, like most humans, I don't have a bloody clue. I am trying to go by only the information I am sure about. Quote:
At first, Menel didn't seem so much suspicious as acting himself on the pre-day, to me at least. Though, with the tight rope he has now and before, and no one to be his net (so far), he's acting a bit out of his element, so to speak. With Nogrod obviously not a wolf now, we'll have to see what Menel does. I have to agree with some of Isa's point on the lover aspect. Unless the lover role has developed into 'mutual recognition of a lover from afar' role or something. I don't think it is actually a complete role but an additional one chosen at random, which would make sense game wise. Though, I am really foggy on additional roles and such. Okay, that is all for now. I have to get some sleep for tomorrow morning, but I should be back before the day is up. If I can, I'll have to make an early vote, with probably even less reason, ugh c'est degoutant. Until then I'll read over what I can. ~ Ka
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I believe Lommy either had protection for last night, or for toDay; not both. I'm not sure if people are not seeing when others are clarify posting it, or just purposefully muddling it to benefit their wolfish ways.
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Sorry, not a big post from me, at least not at the moment. I was just checking the site before I went to bed and wanted to respond to this. Might help clear things up. I'm pretty sure that Lommie does indeed only get protected for one period (i.e. one night or one day) not both. However, if Lommie knew that Noggie was the guardian, she would know she wouldn't need to protect herself during the night. Therefore, reason dictates that she'd prefer to use it during the Day. But the flip side is that she couldn't have known if there was more than one guardian (or for that matter if Noggie really was the guardian. By the way I'll have to look into that lovers' aspect more. It's worth consideration even though I don't think that Noggie and Rikae were the lovers) and so not protecting herself last night could have been a fatal mistake. But having two guardians in this game would just be plain silly, so my guess is that Lommie assumed she would be safe for the night. Besides, it's better (from a furry standpoint) to be unlynchable during the day than unkillable during the night, as the odds of being chosen by the guardian at night are slimmer. Long and short of it is this: I think Lommie probably protected herself for toDay. Don't quote me on it, but it seems to make the most sense. So I think we should indeed try to lynch another werewolf today and then take care of Lommie later. My current lynch choices woud be McCaber and Valier, in that order, as I think both look quite fuzzy but I'd like to get more from Val in the line of evidence before we kill her. I'm off to bed since it's almost 2am. I'm planning to sleep in (yay Saturdays!) but will definitely be up before the deadline and will be able to post, vote, etc. Good night ladies and gents!
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Okay, I just realised if Rikae is indeed a wolf, we still have a shot of winning even if there is a mis-lynch or no-lynch. But still we can't ever know that for sure...so I'd rather try to peg a wolf that is actually lynchable.
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Right now, McCaber is looking most suspicious to me. I didn't like his switch to side with Naria yesterDay, saying he would've voted Roa when he looked like he was going to do the exact opposite. He also said a few comments to Nogrod I thought were odd.
Menel looks pretty fishy to me, and he could quite easily be lying about his role, especially if Legate was gifted. My main worry though is that he could be telling the truth...then what a horrible mistake that would be to lynch him. Valier made a valid point about him, but she has no way to prove her own innocence. If Menel is truthful it doesn't necessarily point to her guilt because Legate could've easily been a wolf too. If a wolf, Valier would know this and could easily be playing us. But I just don't know. I'm split between the two of them...either one of them could just as easily be innocent as they are suspicious. Which is why I'd rather not take the risk of lynching either toDay. There's no room for any error, simple as that.
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I really don't like rushing this at all and I wish I had more time to think this over...but I have to leave this second and won't be back before the deadline. Therefore, I have to go with the one who looks most wolfish to me:
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I think Volo was merely joking about the lover thing. Besides, had Nog and Rikae truly been lovers, why on earth would Rikae have been all for lynching Nog then? Just to frame a gifted Lommy? I don't buy that.
Lommy annoys me (though I'm rather sure her fellow wolves are crying tears of laughter while reading her posts). And I agree with everybody who said that she should be ignored. But I'm a bit perplexed about this Menel/Valier thing. Well, at least I'm surer than ever now that Legate wasn't a wolf... If Valier is a wolf, there's no reason to doubt Menel's claim, which in itself looks rather suspicious though. If Menel is a wolf, he was gambling while claiming to be a gifted - he couldn't know if Val was one. And why did Lommy declare Valier a wolf? Either she's Lommy's fellow and Lommy wants her to look more innocent or Menel's Lommy's fellow and Lommy is triple-bluffing. Ok, I'm not going to dwell on that at the moment. By the way, if one of you got Nog's role, feel free to tell it even though it was rather clear anyway & Lommy has already provived us with her own version. Quote:
2. Let's lynch Valier before she has a chance to question my gifted claim! 3. Since Cab is so suspected I think I must say something about him as well... They're going to lynch me if I say he looks innocent so I say I suspect him a little... But my preferences are those suspicious people voting for whom ensures our furry team's victory." Ms. Joyce, why are you implying that Lommy was protected tonight? So that we could try to lynch her today, find her protected and help the wolves win (I'm speaking about the worst-case scenario, which we should consider to be true in order to avoid a fatal error)? Ok, I know I might be flushing a gifted out by asking this, but I don't think it really matters anymore. I found your statement (especially repeating that you know she was protected) weird. Quote:
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Naria
Nothing there. She looked definitely the most ordoish of those three. Why on earth was she killed if the wolves knew there was a plenty of gifteds around as well, or did I miss some subtle gifted hints? I refuse to believe the wolves picked a random kill.
Anyway, I'm off for a while.
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well I'm off for work and I see nothing has changed. I still have high suspicions that Menel is indeed a wolf. I'm still not quite sure of his gung-ho behavior towards me. I do however think that McCaber is far more likely a wolf. His last post was just reiterating what has already been said and for a Ordo/Gifted that is very unhelpful.
++McCaber Good luck all! May we all cringe our noses happily at the smell of burn fur today.
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With this Immortality thing, there are two choices it seems. Lommy either protected herself last Night or toDay. If it's toDay and we try and lynch her that gives us a wasted lynch. If we try to lynch another wolf it helps us far more than trying to lynch someone who may possibly be immune to it. Now, as to who we have as possible wolves. Valier ~ pretty high up on the suspicion list of many, the only thing giving me real trouble is that Lommy outed her. As bold wolves go Lommy is obviously up there with the best of them so I wouldn't put it past her to reveal a fellow wolf. Valier is the main force behind suspicion of Menel here, yet the quotes she pulls out to 'prove' his wolvishness only serve to make it look like she is the wolf (post 402). Says if there were to be a wolvish sacrifice it would be McCaber. The thing with Valier is that she says a lot of things I actually quite agree with (apart from the Nog/Rik lover story) but she says them in such an odd fashiom. I'm not used to a Valier coming across as so ... desperate sounding, and I think that more than anything is what has me convinced of her wolvishness. McCaber ~ changed his ideas once he found out Nog was thinking about taking Rikae with him rather than Lommy. If McCaber is a wolf along with Lommy that would only really make sense if Rikae was an innocent, otherwise McCaber is still sending a fellow wolf to the grave. Menel ~ I can see why he is coming across as suspicious but I still think he is actually the Ranger. He has a bad habit of looking wolvish, it gets him killed in the early Days often, but I still think I can see some logic in his early revelation. As to why the wolves would not have killed him last Night it could have been in order to set up a .. well a set up, or possibly they thought there might be another Ranger that might protect him. Whatever the case, I still think he's telling the truth. There's a little group very ready to lynch him, with Valier and McCaber (two people I find very suspicious at the moment) the leaders of it, pushing me to think he is what he says he is. As I was reading through I have another person that looks a bit odd and that is Izzy. If we lynch Lommy toDay and nothing happens we waste tomorrow in basically repeating a Day. She's also one with the Menel must be a wolf because he didn't die theory. However, Valier says she'll look at her and there is some logic behind what she said even if I don't agree with it. What she said niggles at me but I'm not sure it's enough for full blown suspicion. Anyway, right now I have Valier at the very top of my suspect list and I'm pretty sure that is where my vote will be going. I would rather see her dead than McCaber because it is her that is following Lommy with trying to confuse (the lovers idea, the idea that Nog was not the Hunter and the idea that Lommy is merely a Cobbler and so might count toward innocent numbers). |
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I don't think we should lynch her toDay, it doesn't make immediate sense, and I wish I had more time to reason all of this, but I have RL things this morning and can't be late. Again. It might still matter, maybe I like my role... Amoungst the living. Then again, it is of course no consequence of mine whether I die or not. Though, I like the idea of living and being a supporting character and player. My lips are sealed beyond that. I know you are clever enough to find the hints. If I am or not, so what. I just am interested in thinking about others right now, since my own life in this game matters because of it. Quote:
I am really sorry about this, but I have to leave, now. I think I might already be late for my exam, ugh. Wish I could explain more, but I am out of time and won't make it back before deadline. ++McCaber ~ Ka
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The one I think we shouldn't lynch in any case is Brinniel. She seems innocent to me.
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Ka, logically thinking I wouldn't be that sure. Not that it matters anymore, though. I don't think she will be lynched today anyway. Voting record Menel: Valier Brinn: Cab Val: Cab Ka: Cab (Cab-3, Val-1) Left to vote: sally, Cab, Lommy, Kath, Zali, Izzy, Agan Thus far it looks like Cab's going to be killed, and that's a good thing (at least IMO). He's a wolf or I'll eat my Swedish textbook (and am sure that I won't start missing it).
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I'm going to be around until the deadline as well, but I doubt my opinion will change. ++ McCaber Voting record Menel: Valier Brinn: Cab Val: Cab Ka: Cab Agan: Cab (Cab-4, Val-1) Left to vote: sally, Cab, Lommy, Kath, Zali, Izzy I would say this looks like a nasty bandwagon if I didn't feel so strong about killing Cab.
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I'm here, now. Sorry for the late appearance.
It's clear to me that Lommy is a wolf who knows she's found out and is now muddying the waters for the sheer joy of it. Glad to see you're having fun. She'll probably be getting my vote tomorrow. In the meantime, I'm going to vote ++McCaber Because he is just...odd. Aside from Lommy, he looks the most like a wolf. I'm going with the same instinct that fueled my vote yesterDay.
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Ouch, guess this'll be the day that I die.
I still think there are many more obvious candidates than me, I mean look at Menel, or Val, or, or, ... ok, panic attack over. Oh well, I guess I brought this on myself. It's been fun, though.
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I love bandwagons.
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Ah, well. If you can't beat 'em, eat 'em.
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That was probably the funniest self-vote ever.
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Thank you. I'm having fun here. How about the rest of you?
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So, Cab, are you a wolf?
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I'm not sure how volo is deciding the decisive lyncher.. but to me it looks like Lommy just grabbed it again. With her vote making it 6 against McCaber, with not enough votes to outlynch him if all of the voters went to Valier. I hope I am wrong.. X'd with Lommy, McCaber, Aganzir, McCaber.
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I forgot you three were in the same trial.
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So, Cab, are you even a cobbler?
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01-26-2008, 01:04 PM | #436 |
Ghost Prince of Cardolan
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Does it matter?
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01-26-2008, 01:17 PM | #437 |
Shady She-Penguin
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: In a far land beyond the Sea
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Ni.
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Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris
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01-26-2008, 01:20 PM | #438 |
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Well this is all very interesting. If there is to be a bandwagon I'm glad it's against someone I suspect. However, I still find Valier more suspicious so even though this is apparently useless:
++VALIER
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01-26-2008, 01:21 PM | #439 |
Shady She-Penguin
Join Date: Dec 2004
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Everything is calm like a dead squirrel.
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Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris
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01-26-2008, 01:22 PM | #440 |
Ghost Prince of Cardolan
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Amongst trees.
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++Azaelia
I think I would've voted for McCaber had I actually gone through his posts.. yet I mainly skimmed, and didn't jot down any notes. I think voting him now is just a bit of overkill. He is going to die, so I'd rather put my vote elsewhere. I choose to place it here, because she is 'probably' going to vote for Lommy toMorrow.. even though right before she said this, she stated it was obvious that Lommy was a wolf. I think all in all, her posts are very vague.. and I think I've forgotten she was here. x'd with Lommy, Kath, Lommy.
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