Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXII: Hic Monstrae Trucidant

[The Saucepan Man]

Guy ...

Where is the inconsistency?

Why are you attempting to shut off potentially useful avenues of discussion?

You may not like Day 1s, but that does not mean that we should not at least try to use such means as are available to try to find a Wolf.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Do you really believe that Ye Moddess Goddess would intentionally include clues as to the identities of wolves in her very first post? I'm a bit surprised at the insinuation when there's a far likelier explanation for the choices.

[Findëasëa]

SPM-the eagle and the tortoise may, as Nogrod suggests, be the choices of those who are Wolves. Although, if that is the case, why only two animals?

My impression is that the animal that we each chose is one which will, somewhat humorously, aid in each of our deaths. This is supported by the fact that Kath, I think, was a turtle farmer in a 'previous life'. As for the eagle, It might have been another favorite animal of Kath's. If multiple animals continue to pop up in the deaths I think that we should revisit this theory, but it will most likely be a waste of time, as I doubt hints would be left in the narration.

X-posted with TGWBS, Sauce, and Fea

[the guy who be short]

As Fea says, the Moderator must be completely impartial. Kath would not insert clues about Werewolves in her first post. It is likely she created her death to parody either nature or Discworld.

Though I'd like to apologise for the earlier post; it does appear a bit sarky. Perhaps I should have made greater use of smilies.

[Mithalwen]

*Still at work* so shush ..I think but can't check that a famous philosopher was killed by a turtle dropped by an eagle ... or a character from mythology ..a greek anyway... hope to be back soon .... but my Guru is a workaholic....

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Fea

Do you really believe that Ye Moddess Goddess would intentionally include clues as to the identities of wolves in her very first post? I'm a bit surprised at the insinuation when there's a far likelier explanation for the choices.

Well, each person's choice of animal is a secret known only to the Moddess and the person in question. But, if there is anything in it, you are right that they would constitute clues based on knowledge of people's personalities. I tend to agree that it's unlikely such clues would be given, but I still think that, unless and until specifically denied, it's something worth considering.

Besides, the choices of animal must mean something, right? Possibly they will only serve for narrative purposes, but I'm a sucker for conundrums and so cannot ignore things like this ...

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Mith

I think but can't check that a famous philosopher was killed by a turtle dropped by an eagle ...

Aristotle, I believe.

[Mithalwen]

Yes that was the chappie... anyway I think we shouldn't get too distracted by such things which are liable to be a wild goose chase... Even on Straw Clutching Day...

[The Saucepan Man]

OK OK. Forget the animal theory if you don't like it. Personally, I will bear it in mind, but that’s my choice.

Perhaps those who have devoted their collective energy to poo-pooing it could put forward a few ideas of their own.

Or is it only me willing to risk talking myself into the noose?

[Celuien]

Popping in briefly between tending the ketchup trees...

Skimmed the recent developments, and I don't like this SPM bandwagon at all. I noticed absolutely nothing suspicious about him and I'd hate to lose him so early without good reason.

Will try to return in a few hours with more.

[Cailín]

The tortoise is likelier to be Kath's favourite animal (though frankly: I cannot see at all why. They are endlessly dull creatures) than that of the wolves. But you figured that out.

Some people have commented (particularly Lommy) that I seem less reasonable than usual, while I am actually seldom reasonable on (the start of) Day 1. Don't get me wrong, I love Day 1s and they usually reveal far more in hindsight than you'd think, but I like a bit of random silliness before I start taking things too seriously.

Kath's message about the Changeling is a little disconcerting, but what Sauce says is right: the Changeling still has a choice during the Day. Since the Changeling only wins on the wolves' side in an extremely specific situation, also explained by Sauce, s/he is likely to root for the villagers. However

Who among us would read that and think, "Okay, I'll take the easy option"? No, we all want grand tales to tell at the end. And I think this Changeling is a threat because of this ego factor.

Though I disagree with Caran's vote for Sauce based on this alone, I can think of some people in this village who indeed may think: if you all want me to do this, I'll do that. Of course, leading the village to victory is a grand feat as well and I think eventually everyone's survivor instinct will win. Unless Nilp is the Changeling, in which case we are doomed.

As far as I can see, the only immediate downsides of the Changeling are the following:

- if s/he dreams of a Gifted and a wolf next
- if s/he dreams of the Seer and make the Seer double dream (i.e. dream about someone they already know the identity of)

Unfortunately, it is not something s/he can avoid.

Otherwise, I am not too concerned about the Changeling just yet. Hunting him/her down early seems senseless as well, seeing as s/he could function as another Seer and will also easily be confused with the Seer. So though we may not like the power this one holds, I guess we will have to let it go for now.

The wolves are our primary targets. They have great and evil powers too, with the summoning of aerial turtles and all.

I have never played with retractable votes before so I am not quite sure how to handle them just yet. I don't find the early votes at all suspicious (though I might be biased ) since they are really quite similar to random accusations. Boromir, however, seems to have made it his life goal to make the afterlife for Kath as difficult as possible and though I'd love to cast a few more random votes for people I have never voted for, I shall restrain myself for her sake.

Formendacil may be a wolf, I don't know, but he always is the same on Day 1 -to everyone's annoyance- and I don't see anything truly different about him. Of course, Form is skilled enough to not change behaviour in any role.

OK OK. Forget the animal theory if you don't like it. Personally, I will bear it in mind, but that’s my choice.

Perhaps those who have devoted their collective energy to poo-pooing it could put forward a few ideas of their own.

Honestly. Go solve some crossword puzzles.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

OK OK. Forget the animal theory if you don't like it. Personally, I will bear it in mind, but that’s my choice.

Perhaps those who have devoted their collective energy to poo-pooing it could put forward a few ideas of their own.

Or is it only me willing to risk talking myself into the noose?

No, I fully intend to risk my neck as soon as I have had a chance to make a few notes. I merely think that it is a better to concentrate on anything other players may have let slip rather than the moderator. I just think that the turtle was an amusing reference to those of us who care for such things and to set the pattern for our "daemon"'s witness of our death. If it suggests anything it might be that we should seek empirical evidence

OK before I get down to work, a token "in character theory". All the village should take the homeopathic remedy Aconite to cope with the shock of Kath's death. Aconite is not also known as Wolfsbane for nothing. The innocents will be destressed and the Wolves dead. Simple eh?

Right I will now search for people with black or dark red auras....