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05-15-2006, 10:49 AM | #281 |
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I feel the village is dividing into two camps. I predict that there will be a battle for votes between Nogrod and Lalaith today. Oddwen and I may receive votes as well. If I had to choose between Nog and Lal, I'd vote Nogrod. Lalaith feels quite innocent to me.
Most people think Nogrod might be a wolf. I think he could even be the Evil Wizard. Kath, I agree my plan has faults. I think it could be used as a general guideline. Or at least I'm using it as such. If there's a person I'm pretty sure that she's a wolf, I will of course vote her rather than a random EW suspect.
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However, this is why it's that much more wrong: If I was EW, I wouldn't have picked them. Well... not two of them. Loki, yes. Lalaith and Lhuna, no. I'd have picked Loki, the phantom, and JennyHallu. One newbie to be taken for granted, one "yeah freaking right", and one just subtle enough to make a right evil wolf. That and Jen's been evil so often that I wouldn't want to break with tradition. Next night would be morm, next would be Cailin. Actually, I might have tossed Nilp into the mix. I like my variety, wouldn't you know. Still, I'm dead curious as to why you picked Lalaith and Lhuna for me and why you support the theory of Fea=EW. Next tangent: I liked the cannon fodder idea. Quote:
Here's my afternoon schedule: stop procrastinating and write a story due at 2:15; go to class; work; don't get back until the Day is over. So I have to vote for somebody. Since Roa denies being "the friend," I'm now fascinated by her strong defense of Loki. Why would anybody be defending anybody unless they had a reason? If her reason isn't that they're the friends, what is it? Since I don't have any more time to ponder, I'm going to go with that reasoning. She defended somebody very staunchly and that's a stupid idea in such an unpredictable village. ++ROA
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05-15-2006, 11:09 AM | #286 | |
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Okay... I'm really going to stop procrastinating now. Paper... due at 2:15... must write it... *tears self away from village*
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05-15-2006, 11:20 AM | #287 |
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Fea, I thought the reasons I gave for my defense of Loki were quite good. If you disagree, you're welcome to do so, but I'd like an explanation. I'd also like to point out that I was not the only one who deemed Loki innocent. At least Morm and Firefoot believed the same as I, and there may have been others, but I'm not really aware of them at the moment. As for me being just as good a choice as any, there are plenty of suspcions being thrown around today, some of which have actually good backings behind them. Maybe you should check a bit more carefully before you accuse.
And as a notice to everyone, please do not just throw away your votes randomly. We are beyond day one, and nothing has really changed except for one player switching from good to evil. We have 8 pages of evidence. randomness is not needed. Please give more thought to your votes.
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05-15-2006, 11:23 AM | #288 |
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There has been lots of talk today so far....I see I have a vote....from Nilp! I will not defend myself on this because looking at crossposting is no way to find a wolf! Now I did find it odd that SPM got killed last night.I would have thought the wolves would want to keep him around, seeing as he gets lots of suspicion...I have many thoughts on who I think could be baddies, but not much to back them up with yet...I will post my thoughts anyways since my gut seems to be right alot of the time, even if noone notices till after I'm dead...
Baddies? Celuien Caranlondien Spawn Lhuna Glirdan Kitanna Firefoot Alcarillo Cailin Oddwen Azaelia Lalaith Naria Eonwe Gurthang Goodies? Diamond Roa Lommy Nogrod Kath Sleepy Mormegil Valier Feanor Phantom Jenny Eomer Nilp Ok I know there is alot of Baddies, but some I could not put down as Goodies yet so they stay there for now....My biggest suspects for toDay would be....Celuien, Caran, Kitanna, Naria, Alcarillo .Not that I have any concrete evidence yet, but I go with what I feel and toDay I thought of these....I will be around for the rest of the day, so I will have more time to read through and post some more.
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05-15-2006, 11:26 AM | #289 |
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Roa, you speak much sense. I have also been wondering about Nogrod. It also irked me that his voting tallies were so far off...it is unlike him to be so careless.
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05-15-2006, 11:27 AM | #290 |
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I must go now.
++Nogrod I fear he's the evil wizard. He might be a wolf as well. x-posted with Jenny
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The voting thus far: (and please correct me if I'm wrong) 1. Nilp --> Valier (Valier 1) 2. Celuien --> Lalaith (Valier 1, Lalaith 1) 3. Oddwen --> Lalaith (Valier 1, Lalaith 2) 4. Diamond --> Nogrod (Valier 1, Lalaith 2, Nogrod 1) 5. Feanor --> Roa (Valier 1, Lalaith 2, Nogrod 1, Roa 1) 6. Sleepy --> Feanor (Valier 1, Lalaith 2, Nogrod 1, Roa 1, Feanor 1) 7. Lommy --> Nogrod (Valier 1, Lalaith 2, Nogrod 2, Roa 1, Feanor 1) |
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One thing I just noticed......Was the GW not supposed to pick another gifted last night? I see on the tally that there is only one gifted....Did I miss something?
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OOOHHHHH Now I see!! Thanks
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05-15-2006, 11:52 AM | #295 |
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I'm off to complete my weaving now, and it is unlikely that I'll be back on before voting closes, so I'm going to vote now.
++Nogrod And I'd just like to say that if he is a wolf, then I'm going to throw my head back and laugh, because for once he's on the evil side and I'm not! (It's about bloody time.)
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Valier, what did you think the whole issue with Loki was about then?
I'm not sure about Nogrod. He might be the EW or Wolf, you say? You make some good points, but the reason alone that he has changed his behaviour isn't very convincing. Wolves might change the way they act while they try to figure out how they could look the most innocent, but a Wolf or not, if someone is about to get lynched because of the way he acts, sure it's quite a natural thing to start acting differently then. I'm intrigued to find out if Nogrod really is a baddie, but I won't make my voting decision yet (although I have to make it soon). Quote:
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05-15-2006, 12:07 PM | #297 |
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Spawn, if you'll go back a page, you'll see my analysis of Nogrod, and it gives more reasons for suspicion than a change in behavior.
Okay, okay, I'm going back to work now.
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A couple of reasons to kill Sauce- 1) My willingness to trust him (not just mine, but the village in general). More than one person yesterday suggested that Sauce would not make a good wolf (especially early), and that was very true. So why let someone live who is intelligent, innocent, and likely to be trusted? 2) With all the talk about Sauce being a likely Seer dream, perhaps the Wolves (or EW) was hoping to render the Seer's Night 2 dream worthless. You see, if the Seer had dreamed of Sauce on Night 2 and then the Wolves killed him, there might as well have been no dream at all. If that was the motivation behind the killing, I was probably a candidate as well. Unless, of course, the EW wants to make me a Wolf late- after the Seer has dreamed of me. Just in case that is his strategy, I would like to suggest to the Seer that you wait to dream of me for a good while. You don't want me to become a Wolf after I'm trusted! Now, naturally if I'm turned into a Wolf I will regret giving this advice because my loyalty will then be to the EW and his cause, but for now (and I hope, until death) my loyalty is to the village and the GW. GW, if you really want to find out about me early on (in case I'm the EW, which I hope you see as unlikely) and you also want to keep tabs on me until death (in case the EW tries to turn me), I suppose you could make me your Hunter. That way, if I'm cursed you'll know, plus the curse wouldn't create a Phantom-wolf, it would only create a Phantom-ungifted. But only do that if you have a Wolf target to give me. I don't want to be responsible for accidentally killing the Seer with my Hunter gift. Also, only do that if you don't mind losing a gifted. I doubt the EW and Wolves plan on allowing me to live more than a couple days. Quote:
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05-15-2006, 12:26 PM | #299 | |
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I haven't really suspected you, and I'll go rereading your post. My vote, whomever it may be for, will follow after that.
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05-15-2006, 12:27 PM | #300 |
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I'm going back and forth on my main suspects - Nogrod or Lommy? With both of them, my main reason for suspicion is a gut feeling that something is off. I also think we should consider The Phantom's plan about lynching the quiet people; normally I'm opposed to such things, but in such a large village, I can see the necessity. However, for toDay I think I'll be voting for either Nogrod or Lommy.
Roa and Sleepy are going to be so mad if I vote for my little sister... 1. Nilp --> Valier (Valier 1) 2. Celuien --> Lalaith (Valier 1, Lalaith 1) 3. Oddwen --> Lalaith (Valier 1, Lalaith 2) 4. Diamond --> Nogrod (Valier 1, Lalaith 2, Nogrod 1) 5. Feanor --> Roa (Valier 1, Lalaith 2, Nogrod 1, Roa 1) 6. Sleepy --> Feanor (Valier 1, Lalaith 2, Nogrod 1, Roa 1, Feanor 1) 7. Lommy --> Nogrod (Valier 1, Lalaith 2, Nogrod 2, Roa 1, Feanor 1) 8. Roa --> Nogrod (Valier 1, Lalaith 2, Nogrod 3, Roa 1, Feanor 1) |
05-15-2006, 12:37 PM | #301 |
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As far as Loki was concerned, for what it's worth, I think he was someone who liked attention.
That was why I thought he might possibly be someone who had been wolfed under my cannon-fodder theory, because the EW would know it was likely he would do something that would make it easy to get lynched. I still, now that we know he was innocent when he died, think he was someone who liked attention, and I don't think he was the unwolfed wolf. It would be way too risky for the GW to have had him as a Seer, he had no form, and seemed, in the prelim chat, unclear even as to what WW entailed (confusing it with RP). If I'm wrong, I offer posthumous apologies.
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05-15-2006, 12:38 PM | #302 |
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Note Concerning Noggie
Nogrod just called me and asked me to come here and tell that his internet access is not working at the moment but he's trying to fix it. He might not be able to get online toDay.
Bye.
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I'm currently at post 281 and trying to read as fast as my poor little eyeballs will let me but reading the suspicion of Nogrod it seems to strike true to me and I have little doubt that he is a wolf. I forget if it was Roa or who that posted his post summary but something else I gleaned from it is that shortly after there was a suspcion raised of him because of his relative silence he began posting again with renewed vigor, yet he posted little and gave recaps of voting; which to me seems an attempt to artificially inflate his post count thus giving us the appearance of saying a lot but not really sayin much at all. Plus it was him that truly incited Loki and not the other way around. Loki died because of this and I don't think it was Loki that was being rude but simply abrasive in his defense.
I'm not certain if I will be able to get back...I will make my best attempt but to ensure that I get my vote in today. ++Nogrod
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05-15-2006, 12:52 PM | #306 | |
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Anyway, I'll vote for ++Oddwen because I really didn't like the way she cast her vote toDay... yes, that's the main reason. Also, I could come up with theories like how Sauce was killed because he thought Oddwen on Day 1 innocent, and she tried to make us believe that she'd never kill someone who's stood up for her. She's posted only four times with very little substance, so my vote may be considered as a "lynch the non-contributing people" vote, too, if you want to. Good Night, make wise decisions!
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I find it annoying when people keep posting over and over with absolutely nothing of any value being said... I for one usual don't say much, and am not so good at figuring out how or why I suspect someone, but it ususal turns out for the better, so please do not lynch people just because they don't post enough for your liking
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05-15-2006, 01:13 PM | #309 |
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phantom please don't try to lynch those who don't post all that often. I make few posts but try to get my feelings and ideas across in those. Just because I speak less than you doesn't mean my ideas are less valid and I should be lynched. Posting once a day just to vote with no reasoning would be a sound reason for lynching though.
Now, somewhere around here there was a list, aha: GW: Roa or Eomer EW: Nilp or Firefoot Wolves: Diamond, Kitanna, Celuien, or Glirdan Seer: like I'd tell Totally Innocent: morm, Gurthang, Spawn I can see where you're coming from on the Nilp front. He didn't vote for himself and has been helpful, which generally means he is something other than an ordo. But why do you assume he is the EW and not the GW? As for the others on that list I have no idea. Except that morm is of course guilty And I wanted to ask. Why was it decided that the GW should not reveal sooner rather than later? I realise I could go back and look, but there's so much to read through it would likely be quicker if someone just told me!
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05-15-2006, 01:27 PM | #310 |
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Where'd everybody go? I'm going to have to go now, and I'm not sure what time I'll be back. It could be an hour before the deadline (which appears to be 11 not 10 GMT) but it could be after it so:
++NOGROD I was suspicious of him earlier and things people have said have only served to strengthen those suspicions.
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05-15-2006, 01:30 PM | #311 |
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*prostrates self before Great Seal* thank you for your elucidation, oh one of fearsome bark and mighty flipper.
As for that last glare, oh dear, while I knew this frivolity lark might lead to trouble, I never thought it would actually get me in hot water with the Great Seal himself. I refer to Diamond's post #13 (unlucky it seems for me) where she referred to me both as an angel and a centrefold.
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I think the GW should stay hidden until they have made all three gifted, then if they choose to they should reveil themselves. If they reveil, the EW would then challenge him/her right away? I am still a little confused over this...(I should reread the rules) Doesn't the GW learn the EW's identity when they come forward? Do they have to challenge each other right away? I guess the GW would want to so there would be no more werewolf making, but wouldn't they(GW) want to stick around for awhile even though they are known? Because they still have the ability to change werewolves back and regift anyone that gets degifted.
So all in all....sorry if this stuff above was useless to say... I think the GW should remain hidden as long as possible.
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Just as clarification, if the GW comes forward, that does not give him knowledge as to the identity of the EW. And there is no rule, I believe, saying that the wizards must challenge each other as soon as they know one another's identities.
I'm still suspicious of Lommy, but moreso of Nogrod. As I have to leave now, I'll vote: ++Nogrod 1. Nilp --> Valier (Valier 1) 2. Celuien --> Lalaith (Valier 1, Lalaith 1) 3. Oddwen --> Lalaith (Valier 1, Lalaith 2) 4. Diamond --> Nogrod (Valier 1, Lalaith 2, Nogrod 1) 5. Feanor --> Roa (Valier 1, Lalaith 2, Nogrod 1, Roa 1) 6. Sleepy --> Feanor (Valier 1, Lalaith 2, Nogrod 1, Roa 1, Feanor 1) 7. Lommy --> Nogrod (Valier 1, Lalaith 2, Nogrod 2, Roa 1, Feanor 1) 8. Roa --> Nogrod (Valier 1, Lalaith 2, Nogrod 3, Roa 1, Feanor 1) 9. mormegil --> Nogrod (Valier 1, Lalaith 2, Nogrod 4, Roa 1, Feanor 1) 10. dancing spawn --> Oddwen (Valier 1, Lalaith 2, Nogrod 4, Roa 1, Feanor 1) 11. Kath --> Nogrod (Valier 1, Lalaith 2, Nogrod 5, Roa 1, Feanor 1) 12. Caran --> Nogrod (Valier 1, Lalaith 2, Nogrod 6, Roa 1, Feanor 1) |
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Hmmmm, I don't know if I would be one to be in that list of super quiet players. I do try to get my thoughts up, when they come to me, and add to the conversation when need be. I do not have as long of breath as you dearPhantom . However, I would agree that those of us that post only once(with very little content) and then either vote or do another post with just a vote and no reason, are being very unhelpfull. I have finally finished reading through everything and really have become even more confused *sigh*. However, I have gained some suspicions for certain people. I will go back and read over what they have said so I can have a little more concrete reasoning for my vote. Back shortly with a vote...... |
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Well two hours to hunt a wolf - and happily lots of votes left. We can still do it.
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Okay, I've finally finished reading through everything that's happened while I've been gone, and am still trying to figure out my thoughts. My biggest impression, though, is that I'm not quite sure where all the votes for Nogrod are coming from, as he seems mostly innocent (or at least no more suspicious than most of you) to me, and if he is a wolf, I'd say he behaved extremely stupidly yesterDay.
The second thing I want to say right now is that I'm sorry if I am seeming unusually quiet. I've been feeling rather sick and extremely tired since about Friday morning, and any kind of thinking pretty much has not appealed to me (and a game this big is requiring a lot of thinking...). So if I'm quiet, that's why. I am reading and following along, and I'm not going to be voting on whims. I'll see if I can't put something more interesting/substantial soon. |
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