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05-13-2006, 08:41 AM | #81 |
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Well I'm back, I've read over everything and have decided that I need to go read over some things more carefully. I'll probably be voting between 4 and 5 hours early, so be warned. It seems it has taken us a good 12 hours to come to the conclusion that we ought to out the Evil Wizard, which is certainly slow moving for a village of so many souls.
I have had a few thoughts: In the first post, Loki claimed to be the reclaimed wolf, but SPM, you didn't even mention that in your "lists", making up three possible wolf teams that did not include Loki at all. That struck me as odd, if not a little careless coming from you. My poor Celuien! Whyever did she marry you? I hate to admit it, as I love to disagree with a particular supernatural phenomenon, but his analysis of the motivations and fears of each of the Wizards makes a good deal of sense, and seem very well thought out indeed. Thank you, one among many semi-anonymous ghouls. Now I wish to read more closely the ruminations of Nogrod, the Fool. Be back with more thoughts.
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I'm afraid the EW is reading this thread and laughing. This confusion serves him/her very well, I fear. And who wouldn't be nervous in a maniac game like this? edit: x-posted with Jenny
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05-13-2006, 08:47 AM | #83 |
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sealing my fate early?
The point is, there are some players that, when wolf and when innocent, act noticably different. There are some players that you are more confident in your ability to gague. And there are some that you will never understand regardless of anything pertaining to anything else. Mormegil, for instance: if he's a wolf, we're screwed; we'll never know... it would be mere whim that would ever have us catch the dear.
See what I mean? If you kill the players that you are completely uncertain that you'll ever be able to nail down in any situation, you'll simplify your own life. Of course, the village would be more boring without them, but you might keep your sanity longer.
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05-13-2006, 09:00 AM | #86 | |
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05-13-2006, 09:04 AM | #87 | |
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It's the first day. Nothing is conclusive but that which we know from our "lorebooks" and our experiences with our fellow villagers. hits head on table knowing that this argument will get me killed
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05-13-2006, 09:05 AM | #88 |
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And why am I even arguing this? It was a comment. My actual advice wasn't to kill people on whim (or Morm would be dead because I hold grudges for my ancestors ) but to search for wizards!
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05-13-2006, 09:06 AM | #89 |
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Fea, I understand what you are getting out and, in some wierd way, it makes sense. In my book of lore of past Werewolf Villages, I've noticed that some people will always act the same. Whether they're innocent, Gifted or Cursed, they will always act the same. I am like that myself and I've noticed the same with SpM and morm. So, to restate what Fea said, it's dangerous to go by how people act.
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Well I really must run now, but I shall return in an hour or so to contribute some more.
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Anyway, I still stick to my earlier comment and agree with dancing spawn's latest post. Fea, you say you'd like to spot the EW. Have you got any theories how would s/he be acting? Or any candidates worth mentioning?
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05-13-2006, 09:36 AM | #92 |
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The voting thus far:
1. Nilp --> Nogrod (Nogrod 1) 2. Lhuna --> Eomer (Nogrod 1, Eomer 1) 3. Gurthang --> Lommy (Nogrod 1, Eomer 1, Lommy 1) 4. Diamond --> Loki (Nogrod 1, Eomer 1, Lommy 1, Loki 1) I know the Day is young yet and these votes may give little indication as to how the Day will end, but I need to start the list for my own sanity. What with such a large village, I very quickly begin to forget who's voted for whom. Now, as for the talk so far, I've chimed in with my opinion (that we ought to look for the EW). I don't think, though, that the GW should declare him/herself. It's up to his/her discretion when to declare, and until then, it's best to stay hidden, in case the EW gets into a good position to challenge before the GW does. My own suspicions? Well, Loki's behavior seems strange. By "strange behavior", just to clarify, I mean the subtley made claim that he was cursed and un-cursed, and his somewhat abrasive reactions to people's passing comments. However, my suspicions of him may be mainly just because I can't find anyone else to suspect. He's the only one who has really stood out so far, and that itself casts him in slightly a better light, as it would be risky for a wolf to stand out that way. I also find Lhuna's suggestion about the GW revealing him/herself slightly odd. It doesn't seem like a good idea to me (see above). OOC Note: Cross-posted with a bunch of people, as I've been working on this on and off for a while due to a rather interesting computer situation... |
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I do not really get your plan, by the way, as it seems you are contradicting yourself. I am all for finding the Evil Wizard and will gladly sacrifice both my sons in the search of this mastermind ( ), but we cannot just lynch them randomly because they are amusing. It's a dilemma, certainly. In a large village such as this one, the silent ones will easily escape our notice, thus making them possible dangerous enemies. And when we have gotten rid of the wizards, we don't want all clever men and women dead and buried already. On the other hand, the EW is perhaps the cleverest of all. Should we sacrifice the intelligent ones in our search for the ultimate baddie? Meh. I don't know. --- I also must say that I do not really understand your reasoning concerning Loki, Celuien. If sowing confusion purposedly is not reason enough to get you lynched on Day one, what is? You think Lalaith as most desirable, Eomer? My guess of the Day is Firefoot. However, that is fairly irrelevant. Quote:
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Honestly, what are the odds of one of the two wolves surviving down to the end? Pretty darn low. Anyone who is saying or thinking that the EW may want to challenge soon is off their rocker. The EW wants things to drag on as long as possible. The EW WILL NOT CHALLENGE EARLY. He will wait and wait and wait, and will only challenge if he has several wolves and gets lucky during the night (he ungifts someone or his wolves kill a gifted or two- that would be the perfect time to challenge). Here's a bit more yapping and strategy from me... The GW is bound to be discovered by the time the population favors the EW (he can be discovered through lynching, wolf kill, or EW curse). In addition, the GW wants to preserve his gifteds and lynch wolves, therefore he will feel considerable pressure to step forward and provide the village with safe lynch candidates. There is nothing for the GW to fear right now, and odds say he won't escape detection long enough for it to be profitable, not to mention there is the risk of losing his gifteds in the daily lynch without his guidance. The GW WILL REVEAL himself by the end of Day 3, or at the latest Day 4 (could be as early as tomorrow). Revealing himself is the logical thing to do. Each day he will lead our lynch mob. He will provide two or three candidates whom he knows aren't gifted or Seer-dreamed-innocent, and we will pick from them. He will also take all of his scry info and the Seer's dream info and pass it to at least one other gifted besides the Seer so that even when he is gone all knowledge will be preserved in at least two individuals. It is also possible that one wolf will be held back as a Hunter target. In other words, if the Seer finds a Wolf tonight, the GW will leave him alone and will not try and uncurse him or get him lynched, but instead pass that wolf's name to the Hunter in case the Hunter is killed. That way, he'll have a guaranteed wolf kill. That could be very valuable late in the game. If there are only a couple wolves left and the Hunter is the last of the gifteds, he could go ahead and reveal himself, tell the village outright the results of all Seer dreams and GW scries up to that point (but leave out the identity of the known wolf), and then that night when the wolves slay him he takes one of them down. Quote:
Lastly, I have decided to blindly trust Sauce until the Wizards die. As I said earlier, Sauce and I both might be attractive wolves for the EW to pick, but he would want to do it late in the game. And even then it would be risky. I'm going to trust the GW and Seer to take care of Sauce, and listen to what he has to say. That's all I have time for right now. I have a bit of business to attend to. I'll be back later.
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05-13-2006, 10:45 AM | #96 | ||
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However let's use our lorebooks, shall we? The recently published ones pertaining to activities that may take place on holiday from the village. The evil wizard (okay... speaking plainly now...) volunteered for the job. The evil wizard, ergo, is somebody with a bit of time on his or her hands at the moment. The evil wizard is probably not going to be one of the students playing with finals coming up. The evil wizard is probably not going to be somebody that can't guarantee specific hours during the day in which to take care of wizarding business. The evil wizard (and the good, yes, the good) are going to be players with a bit of time to spare. Remember that when accusing. "Yes, this person looks suspicious. Maybe a wolf, but since this, this, and this are happening in his/her life, what is the likelihood that s/he would volunteer for a time-consuming position?" Think about it. It's no guarantee, but it's a good thing to keep in mind. I want to remind people not to take Loki for granted. S/he's a new player and seems to be making mistakes in terms of surmising how we do this. But I'm fascinated by our trickster and I don't think we should assume him/her to be making silly mistakes. Keep in mind that all statements could very well be planned. Don't discount anything. This statement is not for any one player or about any one player. Don't assume anything. Quote:
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True - referring to our 'lorebooks' isn't going to help us much, only confuse us, because every story of past villages is different. So yeah, I guess I'm just repeating Fea. Hmm. I don't believe I'll be voting today, because I haven't found a reason to see anyone suspicious enough to warrant one, and because I won't be back to vote. I have chickens to catch! *runs off with a fat red pullet, dodging the effective strokes of a battledore!* x-posted w/ tp & fea
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Fea! Fea, Fea, Fea!
I can see you. I think we should lynch.....Caranlondien? She'd make a fine wolf and the EW knows it. She's sensible, adds to the discussion, and I don't think she'd get lynched had I not put her name on the shortlist. If I were the EW, I'd create a monster from her.
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05-13-2006, 11:06 AM | #99 |
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I must agree with Phantom. I jut can't see any reason of the EW picking up her/his wolves from the stack of Spm, Spawn, Ang etc.. That would be very risky indeed. A wise EW would pick her/his chances differently. And we shall see these dynamics unfold in the days to become.
The EW would like to engage the "good players" into her/his camp, but the first day s/he would not be so bold? Spm, Spawn, Morm, Ang, etc. would be great assets to the EW along the game - as they had first built up an appearance of innocence. But then, they would be too obvious. I'm really scared about those that have not posted yet - or just have posted namely. I will have to look at that too. Basically voting for those who do not share the game anyhow.
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05-13-2006, 11:07 AM | #100 |
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Just checking: Does this day end in 3 hours? So many votes still to come!
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05-13-2006, 11:08 AM | #101 | |
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I'm convinced about the phantom's theory. It just makes sense. Nogrod is talking sense as well. But that doesn't release them from my suspicion.
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05-13-2006, 11:22 AM | #104 |
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Apologies for showing up late, all...I'll probably be mentioning some old stuff, but here we go.
A suggestion was made earlier to lynch people who were *not* likely to be a seer, ranger, etc, and my name came up on the list as an unlikely pick and therefore suggested lynchee. I feel that this is somewhat unfair. I certainly do not profess to be such a person as would be wanted by both sides, or to be one of those lucky enough to be gifted. However, I feel that dismissal of anyone, including the other names on the list, is a mistake. Perhaps both wizards wanted an unlikely pick--it makes it that much more likely that the certain person would not be picked by the other wizard, or that they would be lynched for their suspected role. If that makes any sense. I thought I'd throw my two coins' worth in, as it applies to me, even though it seems that everyone has moved on from this particular issue. I am leaning toward agreeing with my mum on the subject of Loki, though. There's something in his attitude that just sets me on edge. It's not necessarily a bad thing, as we're all bound to disagree with one another at some point, but he seems a little overly antagonistic. And Phantom: Make me dinner? Aww, how kind of you! *blushes* *warily eyes Diamond-mum's battledores* (EDIT)- (OOC-I just noticed this, and I think it is fitting in a way that my 300th post would find its home here)
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05-13-2006, 11:27 AM | #106 |
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Why do you all write so much!? It takes so long to go through and then you feel cheated when you reach the end because half of it's just random banter anyway. But, enough complaining! It won't help us find these wizards. So, things that caught my eye. Loki's attitude is an obvious one. In the past such extreme defensiveness over the slightest little thing has been viewed as suspicious behaviour. Also, his continual repetition about the EW being most likely to choose him because he's a newbie sent up flags. You've pointed it out once, ok, but to do it two or three times and make a big thing of it? I just thought it odd. Gurthang and his 'go after the wizards' plan I thought a good one. If we can rid ourselves of the EW soon, we will have fewer wolves to contend with. phantom's point about it not mattering that we have very few gifteds since we would have so few wolves is also a good one. Oh and it was that suggested certain people would be chosen for certain roles. Please GW if you want this village to survive DO NOT choose me as Ranger! (Haha Diamond very funny ) And that was about it that I really thought worth commenting on, though there are probably things I've missed. Now I appear to have been grounded, thanks Dad , so I must disappear for a bit. Should be back in a couple of hours though, well before the deadline don't worry.
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Now I find something odd with Oddwen (ha! get it? oh never mind). Oddwen isn't normally one to run off and not vote, so what's with this behaviour? Why would she(?) not vote and know full well that this could potentially get her into trouble tomorrow or in Days to come? This is rather odd... OCC - Lmp, if you're there and don't mind, could you verify how long we have until the Day ends? Edit - x-posted with Lommy and my belovecd Kath (hurry back!!)
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05-13-2006, 11:33 AM | #109 |
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Lommy, 6pm EDT = midnight here and 10pm in England. It's now ~8:30 which leaves the villagers 3 and a half hours to vote.
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05-13-2006, 11:35 AM | #110 |
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05-13-2006, 11:35 AM | #111 |
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Yeah, Saucey...check your clock. I'm in EST, and 6 EST is 4 and a half hours from now.
Who is looking most suspicious now to me? Sauce: He seemed a little fast to discount Loki, and his suggested werewolf teams seemed too cut and dried for me. While I agree that Loki is (to put it gently) obnoxious, it can only help the village to know who was turned twice, and no one else has come forward to deny his claim. No one else is really standing out much...honestly in a village of this size, I expected to see it...noisier, I guess. I can actually keep up though! Yay! (We'll see if I change my tune during the week.) I did reread Nogrod's posts as I said I would, and found them.... Inconclusive. Nogrod is a hard nut to crack first day though, because whether innocent or guilty he completely changes his style between day 1 and day 2. Withholding judgement.
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Time Zone Clarification: The game ends at 6 PM EDT. It is now 1:50-ish EDT. That means the day ends in about 4 hours and 10 minutes, give or take, as my computer's clock is a couple minutes off.
Edit: my clock is apparantly 10 minutes off. 4 hours and 20 minutes.
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Okay... I got confused, too. I thought most of us were following daylight saving time.
I'm in +2 zone, but due to DST it's +3 added to GMT 0. However, in England the time is GMT +1, once again due to DST putting Lommy, Nogrod and I two hours ahead of them. If the deadline is at 10pm GMT 0, then yes, it's 1am here. edit: Thanks, Zali, for the clarification.
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05-13-2006, 11:49 AM | #116 |
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Well, I return armed slightly by having read up till now, but how much that will do for me, I don't know.
This game is going to be very very confusing, and is proving so already. My stratagy is to freestyle it and see what happens. I think that's what we'll all have to do. Here's some brief comments and thoughts of mine. *The EW and GW are each going for the same people. It least on the surface. (They may deviate from my brian's logic, if you see what I mean.) I'm not sure what this means exactly, but it is an interesting point. *I'm not going to touch the Loki bandwagon. Loki will have to sort himself out, and i want no part in it. There are pros and cons for either wizard scrying/cursing him, so there is no conlusive conclution that can be reached. As always, there are bluffs, double-bluffs, triple-bluffs, and nth-bluffs, so play it by ear, is waht I say. *This arrugment goes for people like SpM, tp, morm, eomer, and others. So we'll just have to wait as see waht develops. *Gurthang, I believe, was the first to bring up the point about finding the Wizards. Of course, I agree completely, that is certainly sound logic. But I at least have no idea how to go about this. Any thoughts as to what kind of trail they'll be leaving. I can't imagine any, other that general paranoia. Of course, be careful what you say becuase they will take theri cues for you. *Randomness will prevail (at least today), or apathy. Because I don't waht apathy to prevail, I will attack the self-proclaimed "Wizard of Apathy", Nilp. Hi-ya! ++Nilp gotta run!
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Well, I am going to vote now as I cannot be sure I will be back on later. I might be, but just in case.
I have no idea whom the Evil Wizard might have cursed. Sure, Saucepan Man lists some likely options, but it all depends on the EW and most if not all of these I would also consider to be great choices for Gifteds. However, we do not have any Gifteds yet. Also, all things considered, it seems probable (though my no means certain) that the EW is among those intelligent players who are still no immediate Seer dreams. ++ODDWEN She is smart and could be very cunning, but is easily overlooked in a large village. She is therefore a good to-be-cursed option. Maybe even a wizard, though I cannot say I would know whether she has quite enough time on her hands. She said she would probably not vote, which I don't like. Possibly a wrong move for a wolf -since it draws attention to her- but possibly not. She's odd. Last edited by Cailín; 05-13-2006 at 11:59 AM. Reason: cross-posted with SpM and Nogrod |
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