A new quote that wasn't

[Sharkû]

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For anyone who does not know: this is an invented quote which could possibly have been said in a situation where direct speech is not reported to us.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> &quot;I will char your straw to ashes, weakling! The seed of my Golden Father burns yet hot in me!&quot;<hr></blockquote>

Who might have said this, and to whom?

<h6> They're making their last film - they say it's the best - we all helped make it - it's called The Death of the West </h6></p>

[HerenIstarion]

Smaug, maybe, to Lake-town inhabitants watching them watering the straw roofs of their houses

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Re: A new quote that wasn't

Well thought, and well possible, but the straw is meant more figuratively.

<h6> They're making their last film - they say it's the best - we all helped make it - it's called The Death of the West </h6></p>

[HerenIstarion]

Ancalagon the Black to Earendil???

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Re: A new quote that wasn't

No, why?

Actually, the &quot;charring&quot; is not to be taken too literally, and I tried to lessen its effect by the addition of &quot;hot in me&quot;.

<h6> They're making their last film - they say it's the best - we all helped make it - it's called The Death of the West </h6></p>

[HerenIstarion]

A bit fantastic, maybe, but Gandalf to Frodo, angered by latter's foolish behavior, when hobbit almost refused to leave the ring behind. Straw - Bilbo's sword, golden father - Eru.

Or, better still (returning to dragons and their golden father - Glaurung) Scatha the Worm to Eorl, or whoever killed him. Straw now will mean yellow hair of the Rohirrim

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Re: A new quote that wasn't

Yes, for exactly that reason I said &quot;straw&quot;, to hint on Scatha. Go on, H-I!

<h6> By showing our resistance to the people, we kindle the fire within the people. </h6></p>

[HerenIstarion]

Next one

Go now, my friend, and find them! They will need a protection on the road, and thou are indeed mightiest I can spare for such a quest now. No one will guide them better than thee

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Go now...

Ehm, Gandalf to Strider?

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[burrahobbit]

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Re: Go now...

Elrond to Glorfindel

What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket, anyways?</p>

[HerenIstarion]

Perfectly right, burra. It's your turn

[burrahobbit]

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Re: Go now...

&quot;It has died, and no other can be found.&quot;

What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket, anyways?</p>

[HerenIstarion]

Can't think of nothing suitable. Only the Ring is coming on my mind. Is it Bilbo in Rivendell talking to Frodo after his (Frodo's) return, when older Ringbearer suddenly forgot that ring was already destroyed?

[burrahobbit]

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Re: Go now...

Long before then, but still in the Third Age. Or was that in the Fourth Age? Either way, what I am asking about is much earlier in the Third Age.

What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket, anyways?</p>

[HerenIstarion]

*thinks hardly*

[Mister Underhill]

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Re: Go now...

Sounds like the death of the White Tree in T.A. 2852. Could the speaker be Thorondir, the Steward who succeeded Belecthor II, whose death coincided with the death of the Tree?

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[burrahobbit]

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Re: Go now...

You are correct.

What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket, anyways?</p>

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Re: Go now...

&quot;Thinks hardly&quot;, H-I? &quot;Hardly thinks&quot; sounds more like it. <img src=laugh.gif ALT=":lol">

**couldn't resist!** <img src=laugh.gif ALT=":lol">

-red

"I am Aragorn son of Arathorn; and if by life or death I can save you, I will."</p>

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Re: Go now...

rêd!!

New quote that wasn't:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr> No man shall master me, but you I will endure.<hr></blockquote>

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Re: Go now...

Shadowfax to Gandalf.

-red

"I am Aragorn son of Arathorn; and if by life or death I can save you, I will."</p>

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Re: Go now...

Course, I suppose it could be Felarof to Eorl too! <img src=cool.gif ALT="8)">

-red

"I am Aragorn son of Arathorn; and if by life or death I can save you, I will."</p>

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Re: Go now...

Gandalf's the one I had in mind, réd. Ask us!


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Re: Go now...

&quot;Indeed this place is a wonder, and now our bargain is complete!&quot;

-red

"I am Aragorn son of Arathorn; and if by life or death I can save you, I will."</p>

[Sharkû]

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Re: Go now...

Legolas to Gimli at the sight of the caves of Aglarond; their bargain being Legolas' demand to take Gimli to Fangorn, and Gimli's demand in reply to visit the caves?

<h6> Be still, O wand'rer! / Dost thou not hear the sad song of night? / How the wind does beckon thee to rest for a while / and to lend him thine ear? / What woeful tale does it tell tonight? / What tragedy of old? </h6></p>

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Re: Go now...

You are oh so close, Sharku!! Try again! Remember, when Legolas visited the caves, the bargain was only half completed.

-réd

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"With that they parted, and it was then the time of sunset; and when after a while they turned and looked back, they saw the King of the West sitting upon his horse with his knights about him; and the falling Sun shone upon them and made all their harness to gleam like red gold, and the white mantle of Aragorn was turned to a flame. Then Aragorn took the green stone and held it up, and there came a green fire from his hand."</p>

-Many Partings, The Return of the King</p></blockquote></p>

[Mister Underhill]

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Re: Go now...

I reckon I only got this one because I looked in before Sharku got back. But the answer is clearly then Gimli to Legolas after his guided tour of Fangorn.

réd?


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Re: Go now...

You got it, Underhill! Yeah! <img src=biggrin.gif ALT="">

-réd

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"With that they parted, and it was then the time of sunset; and when after a while they turned and looked back, they saw the King of the West sitting upon his horse with his knights about him; and the falling Sun shone upon them and made all their harness to gleam like red gold, and the white mantle of Aragorn was turned to a flame. Then Aragorn took the green stone and held it up, and there came a green fire from his hand."</p>

-Many Partings, The Return of the King</p></blockquote></p>

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Re: Go now...

Red, could you please give me the passage where it is stated that they visited Aglarond _before_ Helm's Deep? Maybe I am missing the decisive point, but when they made the bargain (in The Road to Isengard) they said they'd go to Fangorn first; and in Many Partings Legolas says that they now go to Fangorn.

<h6> Be still, O wand'rer! / Dost thou not hear the sad song of night? / How the wind does beckon thee to rest for a while / and to lend him thine ear? / What woeful tale does it tell tonight? / What tragedy of old? </h6></p>

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Re: Go now...

Sharku, I don't even understand your question. Where does Helm's Deep come in? To fulfill their bargain they visited Aglarond first, Fangorn second. So my quote is supposed to be Gimli remarking to Legolas about Fangorn since only then was the bargain fulfilled. Get it?

-réd

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"With that they parted, and it was then the time of sunset; and when after a while they turned and looked back, they saw the King of the West sitting upon his horse with his knights about him; and the falling Sun shone upon them and made all their harness to gleam like red gold, and the white mantle of Aragorn was turned to a flame. Then Aragorn took the green stone and held it up, and there came a green fire from his hand."</p>

-Many Partings, The Return of the King</p></blockquote></p>

[Mister Underhill]

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Re: Go now...

Is this controversy settled? I'll go ahead with a new one. Sorry for the delay.
<blockquote>Quote:<hr> Goodbye, faithful fish-eater. You have served your purpose.<hr></blockquote>

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Re: Go now...

Please do not misunderstand me. Neither do I feel cheated nor do I want to intervene considering the 'asking right'. I was just curious to know where from you derive the information that the caves behind Helm's Deep (to which I was referring shortly by 'Helm's Deep') were visited first and Fangorn second. Maybe I consulted the wrong pages - but the sentence &quot;You shall visit Fangorn with me, and then I will come with you to see Helm's Deep&quot; spoken by Legolas in 'The Road to Isengard' and the words &quot;Come, Gimli!' said Legolas. 'Now by Fangorn's leave I will visit the Entwood and see such trees as are nowhere else [...]&quot; in 'Many Partings' convinced me of my stance.
Please correct me if I am wrong, because I do not want to rely on a false image I may have any further.
No need for distress I hope <img src=smile.gif ALT="">

<h6> Be still, O wand'rer! / Dost thou not hear the sad song of night? / How the wind does beckon thee to rest for a while / and to lend him thine ear? / What woeful tale does it tell tonight? / What tragedy of old? </h6></p>

[HerenIstarion]

Sharku is right, no doubt about that. As for the question, is it Frodo talking to Gollum on the Stairs, bidding him leave them?

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Re: Go now...

No, Sharku is wrong. Unless, of course, he is reading a different version of LotR than I am! Where you see, &quot;Come, Gimli!&quot; said Legolas. &quot;Now by Fangorn's leave I will visit the deep places of the Entwood...&quot;.....now flip BACK a few pages (just a few) and you will see this...&quot;Then Legolas repaid his promise to Gimli and went with him to the Glittering Caves...&quot;

So...Aglarond was FIRST and Fangorn was second.

*rëd bows...thank you, thank you very much* hehehehe

-rëd

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"With that they parted, and it was then the time of sunset; and when after a while they turned and looked back, they saw the King of the West sitting upon his horse with his knights about him; and the falling Sun shone upon them and made all their harness to gleam like red gold, and the white mantle of Aragorn was turned to a flame. Then Aragorn took the green stone and held it up, and there came a green fire from his hand."</p>

-Many Partings, The Return of the King</p></blockquote></p>

[Mister Underhill]

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Re: Go now...

Good try, HI, but not what I had in mind. Try again!

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[Mister Underhill]

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Re: Go now...

Maybe I should be a bit more forthcoming: you got 1 out of 3 right on this &quot;quote that wasn't&quot;, HI. You've got one of the parties of the conversation right, but the other party and the location/circumstances wrong. Try again!

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Re: Go now...

Hmmm...could it be Shelob talking to Gollum about leading the hobbits to her lair?

-red

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"With that they parted, and it was then the time of sunset; and when after a while they turned and looked back, they saw the King of the West sitting upon his horse with his knights about him; and the falling Sun shone upon them and made all their harness to gleam like red gold, and the white mantle of Aragorn was turned to a flame. Then Aragorn took the green stone and held it up, and there came a green fire from his hand."</p>

-Many Partings, The Return of the King</p></blockquote></p>

[Sharkû]

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Re: Go now...

(Sharku bows his head downwards and blushes, his hands nervously fingering behind his back, and his right foot turning with its tip on the ground as if he was to put out a cigarette)

Red, you're right. Thanks for the correction - as you saw, I was indeed referring to the wrong paragraphs; and I mean it when I say that I'm glad to have my wrong impression corrected.

<h6> Be still, O wand'rer! / Dost thou not hear the sad song of night? / How the wind does beckon thee to rest for a while / and to lend him thine ear? / What woeful tale does it tell tonight? / What tragedy of old? </h6></p>

[HerenIstarion]

My apologies than red, but I had the same notion (strange as it is), and due to my lazyness did not bother to check it out when first saw this debate.

As for the quote, could it be Gandalf talking thoughtfully to himself looking down from Gwaihir the Windlord's back onto Orodruin?

[Mister Underhill]

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Re: Go now...

Wow! Great answers. I see that I may have come up with a &quot;never was&quot; quote that was a bit too generalized. But I think I'll let this one play out a little longer, arguing that despite the creativity of the answers, Gollum was &quot;faithful&quot; neither to Gandalf nor to Shelob.

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[HerenIstarion]

The ring itself thinking about Deagol, when Smeagol killed him