The Few, The Proud....The Gimli fans!

[Sirithheruwen]

Dwarves?! I love dwarves! They're so cool! And what do you mean nobody likes Gimli? Gimli's hot! He has a beard, and that makes him hot. Period. Although, I have to admit, my favorite dwarf is Thorin Oakenshield, mostly for his kingly-ness and his stubborn-ness!

So, next time you find yourself thinking that no one loves dwarves, just think of your little friend Siri, here on the 'Downs.

~*Siri*~

[Kransha]

Oh, huzzah! A Dwarf thread. Again, Huzzah! Hail and well met ye dwarf-lovers.

I am indeed a supporter of Gimli and all his relative dwarfishness. I come, but to point out an extremity which, I believe, has never been given to dwarven credit. An offhand remark in the movie, another addition to movie-Gimli's comic aura, was generally: Our beloved dwarf making a remark to Eowyn about Dwarven reproduction and lack of females. This may have been a strangely accurate point.

I put it to you, fellow dwarf-lovers, that during the making of the dwarves, there were 7 dwarves laid down in Arda's many subterranean empires, 13 dwarves overall. Explicitly, Illuvatar himself "commanded Aule to lay the fathers of the Dwarves severally in deep places, each with his mate, save Durin the eldest who had none." (Tolkein Letter #212). This means that there were 6 females, since there were seven males. So Durin had no mate. How exactly did the descendants of Durin become...well, the descendants of Durin?

Again, I put to you my theory. Perhaps, either the dwarves are even more learned in the magicks of the world than Olorin himself, making dwarves, or they have perfected the art of pulling dwarves from the ground like rabbits! Either way, we should all bow our unworthy heads to the incredible magic/genius/scientific knowledge accumulation/social skills of the mighty Durin and all dwarves.

[Morgul Queen]

...if you rule out the Nazgirls ("OMG!!!1! ORLI IS SOOOO HOTT!!!1!!11") and count those who actually like the story for the story, not Orlando, the Gimli fans outweigh the Legolas fans 12:1. At least at my college anyways...

J R-D's awesome though! He talked to us at the prem, and Hwin was putting on fake accents just to make him keep talking. He has such an amazing voice *sighs* Besides, OB looks like he's never seen food in his life! *holds up sign stating how to make a sandwich*

[Orophin]

It is true that dwarves are not present much in the lord of the rings. I think that this is because of the active roles that they had in the hobbit where you really didn't meet any elves. However dwarves are awsome, especailly Gimli. He is the solem dependable made of rock member of the fellowship. He is always there to chop some orc necks or make fun of elves. One little fact that I would like to point out is that he did beat Legolas in the orc killing contest at Helm's Deep. It was close but he won none the less. I do not like one race over another but I think that elves get the glory for the most part.

[Kitanna]

Gimli is the greatest! That's really all there is to it. In the books he's awesome, in the movies he's awesome. Yet with the coming of the movies he's been underplayed and seems like more of a sidekick then a dwarven warrior. But hey I love him all the same.
I keep telling my friends how I want Gimli as a doorguard in my house. So he can use his ax to cut down intruders. If only it were possible...

That being said, Gimli, brave and loyal. And he needs a much bigger fan base in my opinion.

[Spottedfyre]

I'm glad to have found more Gimli fans! I don't care what everyone else says; Dwarves are friggin smexy, especially Gimli. *sighs* When will people learn?

[Gollum the Great]

YES

Gimli ROCKS

[Laurinquë]

Yes, Gimli is pretty amazing. Personally think that he should have been a more prominent character in LotR. Might have been cool to see more things from his point of view.


Oh, and the axe is really cool Eowyn Skywalker.

[Raefindel]

Like, does anyone recall when the Three Hunters reach Fangorn, Legolas is like, (paraphrasing) "Cool!" and Gimli replies, "Well, you're an Elf, and Elves are freaks, so of course you would like that." And then when they see the Glittering Caves, Gimli is all, "Whoa! Pretty!" and Legolas answers, "Well, you're a Dwarf, and Dwarves are freaks about that sort of thing." I thought that was so cool!!

LOL, Yes Lanniae, I loved taht part too! And I loved your paraphrasing skills, that was a kick!

[Lanniae of the Axe]

Hey, thanx Raefindel, I just have these weird dreams all the tiem where LOTR characters will talk to me and say stuff like "groovy" or "cool" or "tight" and I jsut can't get them out of my head!!!

7th Age--I think the only reasons Gimli went over the sea are his love of both Legolas and Galadriel! So I doubt she'd be TOO surprised!! I jsut hope he set her hair in crystal like he said! Watch he sticks it on a ring and asks for her hand in marriage! HOW CUTE!

Lindolirian, hey, you learned the runes too?? Cool, huh? Only problem is I read LOTR AFTER 5th grade! [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] See there are two parts of my life. BT (Before Tolkien) and AR (After Rings)! But yeah, we actually did get a note taken away form us while writing in runes and the teacher was upset he couldn't read it so he tried to cover it up by getting all mad at us. Hah. Stupid teacher.

Joy! I've never made a website or anything before, but a tribute to my bro Gimli would be a cool place to start! if you're willing to help me take this on, my email is mailto:lanniaetheaxe@yahoo.comlanniaetheaxe@yahoo.com</A> so talk to me! Anyone else who wants to help us w/ some sort of Gimli fan website, same thing! Talke to me!

Aosama!!! The diaries!!! I'm normally against LOTR slash but those were jsut TOO FUNNY! Me and my sister scrawl "Still not King" and "Pointy Hat Trickster" all over our sidewalk in chalk and try to avoid telling out parents what they mean!!!! I was immediately angry that there was no Pervy Dwarf Fancying, and wanted one! Either that, or they should've jsut stuck with Hobbit Fancying, no?? I want one with something about the Horn of Gondor, since Boromir's 1st. (actually 2nd. Frodo is first. He jsut HAS to be. Then Boromir then Gimli then Aragorn and then Eowyn and...forget it.)

Palantir great. Better than cable.

OMG! Greyhavener!!! I was SO totally thinking the same thing!! About the name, I mean. Your cousin is VERY cool!!! Durin!!! Eeep! I realise that it's gonna be a while before I have kids, but Dain, Eowyn, Eomer, and maybe like Samwise and Merry (for a girl) will be top choices when the time comes!!
(I also love caves, too!! Ever been to Carlsbad Caverns?)

Saxony, if this gimlisonofgloin.com ever comes around YOU'LL KNOW ABOUT IT! I promise! Wanna help?? [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] And you got Bory on your destop?? Cool! I got a TTT poster thing, and that lordoftherings.net screen saver too!! Way too much fun I have!

Anyways, wow, another reeeealy long post. ack. I'm gonna go hide in my cave--er, bedroom--and fondle some gems--er, jewelry. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

--Lanniae

[Lanniae of the Axe]

Just realised I put up my email for everyone to see. If anyone starts stalking me, I will get angry. Gimli will get angry, too, and he won't like decapitating his fans!

[Saxony Tarn]

Lanniae -- tell ya what, the cast from "Trust Me" (the fanfic i'm working on, over 90 pages now, and reasonably close to being done and soon to be posted here) will more than gladly fly over on their dragonhorse to protect you from anyone filling your e-mailbox with questionable spam. Including the Dynamic Orc-Busting Duo of Bean and Jones as Boromir and Skheel the half-Orc.

No, seriously -- you'll be hearing from me. Because Dwarves are cool, and i need some input on Náin Ralorsson, so i figure a Dwarven aficionado site is a motherlode.

s.t.

|_|) <-- inaugural drink!

BTW -- aren't the VSD a scream? Can't wait until she finishes Aragorn's final entry "It's good to be the King!"

[GreatWarg]

Hmmm... they do need an axe icon there. I always do the istari one though. Personally, Legless isn't my fav Elf. My fav seems quite out of the way, even if he is important in a way. That right, I'm thinking Elrond. Well, as you can say, Gimli is very cool, and can kick Orc butt! True, legolas probably wouldn't be expected to actually be able to lift an axe.

[Gimli Son Of Gloin]

I am going to read this thread very carefully and do a little character rating... Just hope you didn't insult me [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

[Gimli Son Of Gloin]

I rated a couple of you. I am happy to announce that no one recieved a rating less than a 5 [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

[GreatWarg]

You didn't rate my Gimli son of Gloin! [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] Ah well, o, and Legolas can also be used as Legal-Azz. Hehe, don't do anything to me Barrow-Wight! Gimli, rock on!

The most touching part of the books is most definitely the friendship between Legolas and Gimli. At first, they used to fight, but since Celeborn accidentaly 'insulted' Dwarves, then Legolas became friends. They'd better touch that int he movie. They kinda did, witht he boats and they're supposed to be riding the same horse in TTT (I know cuz i heard Orli broke a rib when he and Gimli both fell off of the horse and Gimli landed on top of him... HAHA LEGLESS!) but I doubt that they truly explain the intimate moments in their friendship.

[Lady_Báin]

ahhhhhh my people!!!! my dwarf name is báin [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]!!(can't remember if it's the first or last name) John Rhys-Davies was completely great in fotr (though the writers could have used a talking to). Does anyone know in which books i can find the most information about dwarf cuture?

On another note... last monday i was at a viking festival and it was sooooo cool I saw smithing (the balck-smith was short and stocky, was dare-i-say-it, Dwarf-like?), archery, combating and every craft you can think of. As well as sword-making but they were 600$ a piece [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] It was so much fun!!

JOY- i don't know if i could help but if i can let me know!!

P.S. I own an axe!! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

[ June 20, 2002: Message edited by: Lady_Báin ]

[Feadolena Nolfare]

wheee! dwarves are cool :0) I think they really add depth to the whole Middle-Earth scene... can you imagine m-e withough dwarves? *dies*
I especially like that they are sons of Aule instead of Iluvatar, they just have the coolest history [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
Another grossly overlooked group are the Druedain, who are perhaps my favouritest M-E people of all [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]
I would be glad to devote a sub-section of my site to a Dwarven Fanlisting, I already have an Elves of the Silmarillion fanlisting there. 'Twould be no problem, so if you email me at sphinxii@hotmail.com I can get it set up, given a few hours [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] I would create a separate account for the new fanlisting, but sadly my server is not accepting any more people. OH well, I have bandwith to spare [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]
Pleeeeze email me if you think there should be a dwarf fanlisting. I'll also look to see if there are existing ones.
Oh my, Fëa is feeling overly industrious today!! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

[Artilien]

I like dwarves very much. ang gimli is my favourite character in LotR. i like other races too but i think dwarves are the best

[polices]

I have always likede Gimli and I say that so shod anyone in there right minds. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

[GaladrieloftheOlden]

Sorry to break through the general wave of Gimli fans, and please don't murder me or rate me a one for this, but I really didn't like Gimli in TTT. In FotR I suppose he was alright, but I disliked the way PJ dumped him into a comic relief role. In the books I didn't give him much thought either, except for the part with Galadriel, and the one sentence when he went off to the West. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] I see stalkers... [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

~Menelien

[polices]

[img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] I don't mean anything bad by saying this, but I do speak for all of the Gimli fans out there... DEATH TO YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!DEATH TO YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

[Himaran]

Ah.... but we are not debating Gimli's role in the movies, but in the books. Yeah, PJ kinda messed him up a bit - but:

WHO CARES!!! [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img]

ROCK ON GIMLI!! GO DWARVES!!!!

Himaran

[polices]

I completely agree with you Himaran, I don't care if PJ messed up. I guess it can not be forgiving... DEATH TO PJ TO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

[Meela]

Gimli is a god.

[Balin999]

As you can see by looking at my nickname I've always been a fan of the dwarfs, especially Balin and Gimli.
Until I saw the movie I was always thinking of Gimli as being tough, raw, but a really cool guy who doesn't whine around when he has split a fingernail and who is as loyal as you could wish for.
But then the movie came out, and I was very disappointed (as I have already complained about at the thread "Doing! And the "perfect idiot" award goes to...") in the movies forum.
I really didn't like the fact that they were making such a silly dumba** out of gimli just for the fun of the people who have not read the books.
So, the creators have created a picture of dwarves among the people who have seen the movies that simply isn't right.
Personally, I will always stick to the book and will think of the dwarves in a very positive way.

[ May 19, 2003: Message edited by: Balin999 ]

[One Axe to Rule them All]

Sorry i'm late for the party.
i decided to take a leave of absence for a week or two...

so now i'm back. now i've got a bit of controversey now, because in gimlisonofgloin's absence, i was very happily portraying gimli at the downies, though i wasn't there for long.
so now we ask, who is the true king under the mountain?

i'm sure popular opinion will vote for
Gimli son of gloin, but i like being gimli!

[GaladrieloftheOlden]

I don't mean anything bad by saying this, but I do speak for all of the Gimli fans out there... DEATH TO YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!DEATH TO YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, as long as you don't mean anything bad by saying it... [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]
Well, for his role in the movies, PJ can't help changing everybody's ideas. I mean, who knows, maybe out in the world somewhere there are one or two people who saw LotR exactly as PJ did. That would already make it almost worth the making. And Gimli in the books- well, I just never thought much about him except, as I said before, in Lorien and in the Lorien boats, and when he leaves for the Sea.

~Menelien

[Lanniae of the Axe]

Phew, have *I* been gone for a million ages of Middle-earth! So, what have I missed? Who's the new King Under the Mountain? Who's the new Dark Lord? What old fortresses have been rebuilt?

Haha... Just kidding. I've been off doing things for school, finals and such. Worked my butt off and became a Thespian, woo! yeah, so, though it's not a good one, I *do* have an excuse for now writing so long!

Anyways, so about that Gimli fansite, I think I might be able to produce one...but it's still in the works. you guys will be the first to know about it!

Sax- you changed your pic! I love it! Haha! I got one, too LOL!

GreatWarg- I always thought Elrond was everyone's favorite elf (well, barring the squealing teenage fangirls who think Legolas will marry them). He is mine, always has been. I seriously never even liked Elves, but Elrond is so different...maybe it's a half-elf thing. I dunno. He's just about the only elf (in the books, mind, not the movies) that isn't a racist pig! ...And actually, I meant the "Legless" comment to be -INTERRUPTION YOUNG PEOPLE SKIP THIS COMMENT- a kind of insult to his lack of *ahem* manliness. Ya know, the whole... third leg thing...and "Legless"... Yeah, so I'm perverted... :P

Gimli Son of Gloin- did you rate *me* for starting this whole affair?? *bats eyes* LOL just kidding!

Lady Bain- of course Davies is an awesome actor...for what they gave him to work with...OMG and if they make ROTK to be as LOUSY and DISAPOINTING as TTT was...well, I already considered throwing myself off a cliff--this time I'll catually do it! Who's with me!! Gimli as comic relief, indeed! *indignant snort* ...Ooh! And Bain, you own an axe? How cool! Can you send me a pic? I, sadly, am "not old enough" to own one, father says... *pout*

Feadolena- hm...Druedain? I know I'll kick myself when i find out, but could you tell me exactly who they are? And I definately think there should be a Dwarf fanlisting anywhere you can put one! I'll try to email you about it!

Polices- Um, well, hey, don't get *too* mad at Galadriel of the Olden! poor thing! She's entitled to her opinion, of course...not so much in some threads as in others, per se... LOL.

Galadriel- Although I can't personally imagine how anyone can't love Gimli, I do agree with you that Gimli sucked in TTT for the most part. Sure, they gave him more of a personality--one that was ALL WRONG! The sacreliege! The blasphemy! Ah, well. At least they'll probably go to Hell for it!

Himaran- thanks for breaking up the ...fight? during my absence! if I had been here it would have been...crazy. Lots of yelling. (thru a computer?) Yeah. Something. Anyway, kudos. Cuz I always feel bad when people disagree on threads that I start. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

And Polices, I must say I love your spirit. PJ every shows his bearded-hobbitted face anywhere within my axe's reach... How 'bout I hold, and you punch?

Balin999- thanks for starting a conversation I was gonna begin anyway... that PJ screwed up Gimli? Um.. Yeah, see above paragraph, you're invited to help out, too! I don't think that the people who havent' read LOTR shoudl be rewarded with all that comic releif like that. TTT is SUPPOSED to be depressing! And, if nothing else, Gimli shoudl NOT be the one to lighten it up!

Whoa, One Axe To Rule Them All, I dig your nickname! Woo! And since I know both of you equally, you're BOTH Kings Under the Mountain! Some sort of Biocracy? Hm...

Galadriel- anyone who saw the movie as PJ did has got to be sick in the head. Seriously. He did pretty okay, but...mm...no way is he THAT good. Arg. Anger! Not at you, dear, but at PJ. I hope he doesn't have any children...I hate making orphans.... Fingers axe* [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

much love, sorry 'bout the long post, and thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread! Esp. Galadriel of the Olden, we need some variety of opinion, even if its a contradicting one!

--Lanniae of the Axe

[polices]

I would through myself of a cliff three times if PJ screws up in the ROTK as much as he did in TTT. [img]smilies/mad.gif[/img]

[Leona]

I seriously always thought the elves were over-rated. I mean it's great and everything to have the history in there, but why does it all have to center around elves and men? Aren't dwarves important?

I've never been particularly fond of Gimili, or any of the dwarves for that matter, but I think if I could have more information on them I might enjoy reading about them more.

I totally agree with you guys about the fact that Gimli should not have been portrayed the way he was in TTT, but you really have to look at it from the point of view of a director. I know the book is supposed to be sad and serious, but someone who has not read the book, is not going to sit through three hours of saddness and dispare. PJ needed someone to lighten up the situation, and give it a liittle more apeal. Now that I'm thinking of it, especially for younger audiences. But what I wonder, is why couldn't Legolas have done that? I mean, Aragorn just wouldn't work, but why not Legolas? As far as I can tell his only job is to warn the fellowship of danger, and shot it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not all for out with the elves and in with teh dwarves, but I think it might have been nice if the spotlight could have been shared a little more equally.

[Leona]

Quick note: Ignore the picture, it was late.

[GaladrieloftheOlden]

Galadriel- Although I can't personally imagine how anyone can't love Gimli, I do agree with you that Gimli sucked in TTT for the most part. Sure, they gave him more of a personality--one that was ALL WRONG! The sacreliege! The blasphemy! Ah, well. At least they'll probably go to Hell for it!

Well, maybe if the role had been better, I would have liked him more... [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] By the way, I love the name of the thread. Funny [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Galadriel- anyone who saw the movie as PJ did has got to be sick in the head. Seriously. He did pretty okay, but...mm...no way is he THAT good. Arg. Anger! Not at you, dear, but at PJ. I hope he doesn't have any children...I hate making orphans.... Fingers axe*

Lol, yes, he has children [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] I understand your homocidal impulses *nervously shoves a few bodies in the closet*, but really, his kids are really cute... they're some of the hobbit kids in FotR, and some of the Helm's Deep kids in TTT [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

I seriously always thought the elves were over-rated. I mean it's great and everything to have the history in there, but why does it all have to center around elves and men? Aren't dwarves important?

Of course. But the money part of it plays a big role too, and I doubt that there are many Gimli-boppers out there [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] I love Elves, but not love like Lego-luv, or any of them at all. It's just the whole idea of that race that seems great to me, and I can't say I mind dwarves, I just don't like them much.

~Menelien

[Lanniae of the Axe]

I would through myself of a cliff three times if PJ screws up in the ROTK as much as he did in TTT.

I agree! I would do the same! ...After I made a few orphans...

I've never been particularly fond of Gimili, or any of the dwarves for that matter, but I think if I could have more information on them I might enjoy reading about them more.

Well, how much have you read, Leona dear? I mean, not to sound rude, I didn't mean it that way, but it's just you have to be LOOKING for stuff. In the case of the Dwarves, you have to be interested in them and THEN go looking for stuff about them. The word "dwarf" has to catch your eye. The Appendicies at the back of ROTK have some great info on the History of the Dwarves. Really cool. Dwarves were very noble and valiant, their quirks being a touchy pride and a tendancy towards greed, but, heck, our GIMLI never showed much of that! Woo! Of course, he is touchy, but who wouldn't be if people pulled your beard and made wise-cracks about your height!

...but you really have to look at it from the point of view of a director. I know the book is supposed to be sad and serious, but someone who has not read the book, is not going to sit through three hours of saddness and dispare.

It is PJ's obligation as a director to NOT screw it up! At least, it should be. If a director goes into a project like this TRYING to make money and not really caring about how it will make all the Tolkienites feel, he shouldn't be the one doing it, he's just lowering himself down with all the other Hollywood losers. If people don't want to/can't sit through three hours of *sadness and *despair, they SHOULDN'T BE CALLING THEMSELVES TOLKIEN FANS! Those people should try READING that much of sadness and despair! Most of 'em are just illeterate bastards who need a good book report and Harry Potter isn't old enough for them.

Guess what? I MADE my 6th-grade little sister read ALL of the books before I took her to see FOTR! Cruel? No! That's the way it should be! (I coudl have made her read Unfinished Tales as well, so she gets the Isildur background as well, but THAT probably would have been cruel)

At the very least, if PJ had been true to the books, you wouldn't have to many untrue Tolkien fans prowling the internet! (i.e. Lego-teenie-bopper-fans)

And Leona, I agree that the comic relief could have gone to someone else. Of course, if PJ KNEW anything, he would have taken the TRUE comic relief characters, Merry and Pippin, and put them in there more! Gimli, on the contrary, is VERY much a serious guy! And anyone who laughs at his slap-stick comedy is a fool. "Oh, narf, let's watch Gimli get flattened by the Wargs! Because that SOOO happened in the book. Narf." [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Enough to make you sick.

Well, maybe if the role had been better, I would have liked him more...

Galadriel, just a quick question...what did you mean by that statement exactly? I'm not gonna hound you for it, and I promise I won't let Polices attack you too much, but please explain that a little more. Gimli's movie-character? Book-character?

Of course. But the money part of it plays a big role too, and I doubt that there are many Gimli-boppers out there

Hm... have you read through this whole thread? I mean, granted, there aren't millions of us out there, but, well...oh, I dunno. I have a theory, anyways, that TOLKIEN HIMSELF never liked the Dwarves. I know he loved his Elves. Personally, they make me sick a lot. *sigh*

That's why us Gimli Fans are both Proud...

...and Few. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

(That's okay, at least we're ROCKIN', right guys?) [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

[One Axe to Rule them All]

Balin once said-

There can only be one King Under The Mountain

but i'll let it slip for now....

[Tinuviel of Denton]

Just to put in my two cents.

Not all the dwarves are all that cool. For example, Mim, in the Silmarillion. He stole treasure, killed people, and was all around not-very-nice. He got his just desserts later, however.

And just to put in a good word about Thorin. He's allowed to be stubborn and stuck up. He's royalty.

Oh, and about archery. Have any of you any idea how much strength it takes to draw a bow the size of the one Legolas uses? He's probably got a 150-200 pound pull at least, and it's not a compound bow so all the force comes from his arms. I like Gimli, but ease up on Legolas (NOT the Orlando version!!!!!), archery is not as easy as it looks.

Keep standing up for (most) Dwarves, people!

[ May 29, 2003: Message edited by: Tinuviel of Denton ]

[GaladrieloftheOlden]

And just to put in a good word about Thorin. He's allowed to be stubborn and stuck up. He's royalty.

So? [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

~Menelien

[Tinuviel of Denton]

So, stuck-up-ness and stubbornness are the prerogative of royalty. They're all entitled to it. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

[Lanniae of the Axe]

...I don't think Thorin is stubborn OR stuck-up. Well, okay, maybe a little bit. But I know some of the BEST Elves are more stuck-up and stubborn than many of the WORST Dwarves. Except for Elrond. Who's not racist, unlike all the other Elves...don't get me started about Bastard Lindir... *shudder*

But, hey! This isn't a place to talk about Elves, per se, this is Dwarf-thread! More specifically, Gimli-thread! *claps*

And on the topic of Mim...yeah, so he wasn't the best Dwarf in middle-earth. He combined the touchy pride and geediness of the average Dwarf with his own little touch of cowardice and over-the-top freaking out. Of course, you would freak out at someone, too, if they had KILLED YOUR SON. Mim, I'll say, would be my least favorite Dwarf. But he's a bitter old man with a dead son, give him a break! If some elf (or was he a man? I don't remember--someone help me out)...okay if some ARCHER shot my son, and then kept me from saivng his life, yeah, I'd be bitter and hate the world, too. Especially if all my kin had died prior to that. Now there are vagabonds wanting to take over my home. Wouldn't you be a little nasty, too? Obviously, the Silm. didn't catch Mim's best side. Then, of course, one of the more regal Dwarves probably would have died rather than give up his home, but you know, whatever. He's I guess you'd say one of the "lesser" races of Dwarves, like you got your High Elves and your...um, other Elves (Elves not beign my best subject).

Yeah, enough on the Mim rant.

I still love Gimli! He's still the best!

Oh, yeah, and about the bow-pulling thing? I'm not fully informed about the physics involved in that, and I know it takes a lot of strength to do that... but I still think it takes MUCH more strength to weild an axe. Have you ever gone camping and jsut chopped wood for an hour? You feel it in your shoulders. And your...whatever the muscles are that are in your...oh, never mind. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] Just LIFTING the dang thing takes skill. But bringing it down with warrior priscision... Plus, you got gravity against you lifting an axe. Anyway, that could be just my partial to barbaric weapons...the critical is SO much higher on an axe than on a bow (whups, nerdy RPG geek coming out). [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

So, yeah, there's my opinion on that.

Baruk Kahazad!
--Lanniae the Axe

[GaladrieloftheOlden]

Believe me, both bow and axe are difficult. I only shoot out of a kiddie bow myself [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] but I've tried just pulling a normal one and it was difficult... and I'm sure the elf ones were harder to. Axe- well, the swinging is easier than shooting into a mark, but it's slightly harder to get it swinging than to pull a bow, so I guess they're pretty much even. It more or less depends on which muscles are stronger...

Wow, I really didn't know there were this many Gimli fans around. [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] And, don't forget, there are plenty of us who really prefer Elves very well but not for any 'hotness' problems in the movies [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

~Menelien