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???S???: He’s here (or in Norway) because of what an armoured heroine might need.
TOM: He’s three quarters of a particle. ???R???: Confused lad with a messy barnet, he is – crazy! BILL: Invoice him. FRODO: Even when a bit muddled, he knows where his towel is. ???E???: Formerly supple, before he knotted up. ???R???: Woven or spun, he stands constant. Password: Correct. Theme: Wrong. 1. Nowt to do with Scyld, and nothing specifically to do with Eowyn. Pay no attention to the location of the question marks. The letter could occur anywhere in the answer. (I may be more specific about this later - let's see how it goes first). P.S. I have been slightly naughty with number 1.
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A vague thought on HARRY for #3, since 'barnet' seems to be something to do with hair, and it's a very close word. Also there's one in Bree.
Or maybe BARLIMAN, which includes half of 'barnet' and the word 'man' (= lad), along with a soundalike for 'lie' which could fit either confused or crazy. I dunno, nothing's really jumping out for any of them. :-/ hS |
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You're right about 'barnet' meaning 'hair,' but none of the remaining answers are hobbitish or Breeish. EDIT: SORRY - ONE OF THE REMAINING ANSWERS IS A HOBBIT. BUT ONLY ONE.
Can you work out what the theme is? That's the key to solving the rest of the clues. You kind of touched on it in your first post after I posted this password. P.S. You missed a password cast into rhyming couplets, about pubs and inns of Middle-earth and Inklings - how very dare you have a life at weekends? (Yes, I'm joking). P.P.S. As it might not be well known outside Britain (or even southern England), barnet is short for Barnet Fair, and hence rhyming slang for 'hair.' (Barnet is a Hertfordshire town long since absorbed into the outmost northern part of Greater London; traditionally a market town (hence 'Fair,' like Scarborough Fair)). It's also a London Borough.
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To make it easier:
?????????S: He’s here (or in Norway) because of what an armoured heroine might need. TOM: He’s three quarters of a particle. ??R????: Confused lad with a messy barnet, he is – crazy! BILL: Invoice him. FRODO: Even when a bit muddled, he knows where his towel is. E????????: Formerly supple, before he knotted up. ??R????: Woven or spun, he stands constant. Whoops! Sorry. ONE of the remaining answers IS a hobbit name.
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In that case, 1 could be LEGOLAS (of Gondolin), which does include 'las(s)', and Lego is at least Scandinavian. But I'm less and less confident with each word I write. Aha! The final answer could be VORONWE, a literal anagram of 'woven or', and meaning 'the Faithful'. Mardil the Steward took it as an aftername, and of course the original is Tuor's guide. hS |
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?????????S: He’s here (or in Norway) because of what an armoured heroine might need.
TOM: He’s three quarters of a particle. ??R????: Confused lad with a messy barnet, he is – crazy! BILL: Invoice him. FRODO: Even when a bit muddled, he knows where his towel is. E????????: Formerly supple, before he knotted up. VORONWE: Woven or spun, he stands constant. THEME: NAMES GIVEN TO MORE THAN ONE CHARACTER. I had forgotten about Frodo Took! And he was a recent password of mine, too. I was thinking of Frodo Baggins and Frodo Gamgee (soon Gardner), but there was Pippin's prototype, too. BILL: Huggins, Ferny, Pony. (There's Bill Stickers too, thinking about it, although not in one of the books!) TOM: Trollsong Tom (with his big boots on), mutton-eating Troll in 'The Hobbit,' Tom Bombadil. Is there one in Smith of Wooton Major as well? And a few more if you count the Tolmans (Tom Cotton, father of Rose, and Tom, her youngest son). P.S. No to Legolas.
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For #3, how about FARAMIR? There's a few of them, and its an anagram of 'A fair Mr.'. hS |
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You do realise that many a fair lady has fainted at the sound of Andrew Seear playing that very character? All of which does not alter the fact that it is WRONG! And 'a fair Mr' does NOT mean 'messy hair,' whether they affect this to add to their beauty or not. Lots of Faramirs? Is there another besides Denethor's and Pippin's sons? Maybe, if you look through lists of stewards and things. I WILL, however, give you a hint in return for that anagram, and tell you that the Norwegian reference in clue 1 is a literary one.
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I keep coming back to Barahir because it has HAIR, but I don't know what to make of the first part.
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Not Barahir. A little less well-known, I think.
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I had to brute-force this by finding every 9-letter word starting with E and eliminating the unsuitable ones, but I finally found one that meets the theme. Then, to prove it, I had to try and find a synonym for 'supple' in it... and then figure out what the remaining letters gave.
ECTHELION was ONCE LITHE, though whether in Gondolin or Minas Tirith I couldn't say. ~ Of the remaining two, you've told us that one is a hobbit name, but you didn't seem to immediately remember it as such. That suggests that the other use of the name is non-Hobbittish, which in turn suggests either one of Sam's kids, or someone from the Took line (who all have weird names). ... 'GOLDILOCKS' is a direct translation of 'Glorfindel', and you did say you'd been a bit cheeky... ... ... ... oh, please no. #1 looks likely to be 'FORTINBRAS', the name of two Thains of the Shire, and of Shakespeare's crown prince of Norway (also his dead dad). I have no idea whether Eowyn Fought In Bras, but I'm sure she would have appreciated the option. hS |
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FORTINBRAS: He’s here (or in Norway) because of what an armoured heroine might need.
TOM: He’s three quarters of a particle. ??R????: Confused lad with a messy barnet, he is – crazy! BILL: Invoice him. FRODO: Even when a bit muddled, he knows where his towel is. ECTHELION: Formerly supple, before he knotted up. VORONWE: Woven or spun, he stands constant. THEME: NAMES GIVEN TO MORE THAN ONE CHARACTER. ONCE LITHE = ECTHELION, indeed. FORTINBRAS is correct, and you are right that I primarily think of him as the third avenger of 'Hamlet,' whose words finish the play, and perhaps momentarily forgot that he's two hobbits as well, rather than a steward or something. However, it's not 'fought in bras.' Which is not a grammatically correct answer to the clue. And hardly does full justice to the 'armour' element. And I would have added something like 'sounds like' if the spelling was wrong, wouldn't I? 'Because' gives you FOR. 'Armoured heroine' suggests TIN BRAS. Which an *armoured* heroine might need. And that is why the letters appear ('why he's here'). (I added the Norway reference because he's not a well-known Thain and I thought it might be a bit difficult without it). Still, it's rather wonderful that 'fought in bras' is a homophone of 'for tin bras,' which I wouldn't have known if you HAD got the elements right. You still have the barnet one to guess, don't forget! Chop chop!
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I seem to be doing really well at getting answers for the wrong reasons this time. ^_^ There was Frodo Prefect, and now the Tin Bra... Faramir was wrong, though, I suppose.
ANYWAY. Did you know there are 59 pages on the Encyclopedia of Arda that fit the ??R???? pattern? Because there are. They include such delights as 'Morgoth' (certainly crazy, but I don't think being More Goth counts as a messy barnet), Saruman (preeeeetty sure there's only one of him), and... Turnips. ^_^ Hmm. HERUMOR is a possibility; it has the 'hair' sound, and is two people, in the Second and Fourth Ages. (I once saw a theory that the cult leader from the New Shadow is the same person as the Numenorean, and that both are synonymous with the Mouth of Sauron... nice idea, but not really supported.) But I can't make the rest of the clue fit. There are two Baranors, but I can't fit him to the clue. Tolkien really liked reusing names, didn't he? That, or (considering 'Gorthol' as a name of Turin, meaning I guess 'nastyhat') giving people many names. IMRAHIL has definite possibilities. It's almost HIM HAIR, except that one of the H has become an L. Though I can't actually find an earlier one? But I wouldn't be surprised if the royal line included multiple iterations. I really want to do something with 'Imrazôr', because, y'know, razor... but no. 'Marhari' is maar haary, but no. ^_~ And... that exhausts my list, actually. Hmm. I wonder what ADRAHIL of Dol Amroth did wrong, that EofA doesn't have him (Tolkien Gateway does). Because his name is actually HAIR + LAD, and there were two of him a thousand years apart. So I think he's probably the strongest answer. (Except for Marhari, all these names are Numenorean-Gondorian. Gondorians like that third-letter R sound, I guess?) hS |
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FORTINBRAS: He’s here (or in Norway) because of what an armoured heroine might need.
TOM: He’s three quarters of a particle. ADRAHIL: Confused lad with a messy barnet, he is – crazy! BILL: Invoice him. FRODO: Even when a bit muddled, he knows where his towel is. ECTHELION: Formerly supple, before he knotted up. VORONWE: Woven or spun, he stands constant. THEME: NAMES GIVEN TO MORE THAN ONE CHARACTER ADRAHIL it is! Hair + lad. (Much as one might wish it had been his cousin, 'Turnips,' from the rich root vegetable province of Lossarnach). I confess that I too googled for multiple-character names to find the last few names, when preparing the puzzle. Faramir was wrong - not sure if you mean one of your guesses was wrong, or Faramir misread the extent of his missus's renunciation of shieldmaidenhood and bought the wrong lingerie .... Well, enough of that (for now). And now: over to you! Well done. P.S. Imrazor indeed! (Chortles).
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Moving on! 1. The rider is but half what he is named; he must go south with the company. 2. Twice following, so i'th'name of laughter is the fiery maid transformed. 3. Sister to one of our own, she comes from the shore: send her back. 4. Enraged with the staff or wrathful and strange? Either way, two must fall before the lord in the north. 5. Low riddling is yet above the half-wise. 6. In water he found patience, yet fire claimed his fire in the end. 7. A legendary maid at the window tumbles back, and the missing queen appears. hS |
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Who wrote that? Or were you quoting from your own work? Could 5 be OLIPHAUNT, because oliphaunts are a lot taller than Sam?
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Worse - I'm afraid I hammered that out in response to your prompting. You are directly responsible for Eowyn's corsetry.
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Fish, then, because Sam hadn't guessed what Smeagol wanted?
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One would expect no less from a Took girl. Best dressmakers in the Shire!
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Are we talking about a gardening riddle ... a soil sieve?
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Banazir has most of 'nadir' in it, for *a* low (noun). Erm ... and a bit of 'above.'
(Lack of capitals reflects how much hope I have that this is right!)
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I'm afraid not.
'Cryptic' is probably the wrong word to use - at least a few of the clues simply point at the meaning of a name (in English or otherwise), and then tell you something about the person who bears it. (So 'Lothlorien's lady with a radiant garland' would have the 'cryptic' part as 'radiant garland', because that's what Galadriel means.) hS |
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OK ...
I thought 1 seemed to point at Halbarad, but apparently that means 'tall tower.' GANDALF is the White Rider, and goes south. But although his name means 'Elf of the wand,' only the 'wand' part of that is true.
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Then I think it's the Grey Company, because they ride and the Fellowship don't (at least, not during the time they all travel together).
And I think it's either Elladan or Elrohir, as they are half-elven. Or because they are only half- half-elven, or 3/4 elven, due to Celebrian. I'll guess ELROHIR, (elf rider). The 'rider' half of his name is true, but the other half isn't ... or is only half true.
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Just a guess at his twin, Elladan, for the password?
Actually, have I got that right? Were he and Elrohir twins, and Elrond and Elros too? And Elwing's two brothers?
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Maybe that came from Luthien? It was said that her line would never fail, (maybe because she was half Maia). Or from the strong combined strain of Elf, Man and Maia in Dior.
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2. Well, LALAITH has 'ith' and 'la' twice (but how is that following?) but it doesn't transform and she isn't fiery! Although her name does mean 'laughter.'
3. Sister to one of our own, she comes from the shore: send her back. There aren't that many sisters in Tolkien's books. Luthien isn't one. Lalwen/Lalwende and Lothiriel are. And Lalaith. I feel that the answer needs to be the name of a sister of a Downer's name. But perhaps it runs backwards, and ends with L. None of the sisters beginning with L seems to fit.
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Ah, I didn't realise you were invoking Julie Andrews!
I honestly didn't know 'Urwen' meant 'fiery maiden' - is the transformation a reflection on a change to a very different name, then? Maybe she seemed fiery as a baby but transformed as a toddler and laughed, but bawled when she was a baby? Why would they call a baby girl Urwen - have I forgotten something? CLUE 3: Galadriel has brothers - maybe one of them is a downer? She is from the shore (came to Middle-earth from Valinor) and we want the Valar to accept her back there? So a double meaning for 'send her back?'
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Only element I can find is FALAS/FALASSE (shore) or the root PHAL (foam).
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4. ANGROD?
I was trying to get 'rod' to fit with 'angry.'
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3. AILINEL apparently contains a word for 'lake.'
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