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Maglor68 · 06-01-2001, 08:28 AM

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By the way Telchar, are you sure about Olorin and Melian? I have to go back and check the books, but I could have sworn according to the Sil they served Nienna and Lorien respectively, not Lorien and Yavanna.

As far as Arien is concerned, that was just a guess. In LOTR mythology, I've always associated the four greatest male Valar with the elements:

Melkor - Fire
Manwe - Air
Ulmo - Water
Aule - Earth

Although this is never specified for Melkor, my assumption comes from 1) his obsession with the Flame Imperishable, and 2) the constant references to him as being a lord of fire (and frost). As Arien IS a fire spirit, I always just assumed that originally she was part of his clan. Later, when he became evil, she was only fire spirit not to join in his rebellion. Perhaps she attached herself to Vana after she left Melkor in the same way that Sauron attached himself to Melkor after he left Aule.

Just a theory.

- Maglor

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06-01-2001, 08:28 AM	#26
Maglor68 Wight Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 112	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Pile o' Bones Posts: 21</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Arien By the way Telchar, are you sure about Olorin and Melian? I have to go back and check the books, but I could have sworn according to the Sil they served Nienna and Lorien respectively, not Lorien and Yavanna. As far as Arien is concerned, that was just a guess. In LOTR mythology, I've always associated the four greatest male Valar with the elements: Melkor - Fire Manwe - Air Ulmo - Water Aule - Earth Although this is never specified for Melkor, my assumption comes from 1) his obsession with the Flame Imperishable, and 2) the constant references to him as being a lord of fire (and frost). As Arien IS a fire spirit, I always just assumed that originally she was part of his clan. Later, when he became evil, she was only fire spirit not to join in his rebellion. Perhaps she attached herself to Vana after she left Melkor in the same way that Sauron attached himself to Melkor after he left Aule. Just a theory. - Maglor </p>