The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum


Visit The *EVEN NEWER* Barrow-Downs Photo Page

Go Back   The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum > Middle-Earth Discussions > The Books
User Name
Password
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-03-2025, 10:16 AM   #1
Galadriel55
Blossom of Dwimordene
 
Galadriel55's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: The realm of forgotten words
Posts: 10,515
Galadriel55 is lost in the dark paths of Moria.Galadriel55 is lost in the dark paths of Moria.Galadriel55 is lost in the dark paths of Moria.Galadriel55 is lost in the dark paths of Moria.
Interestingly too, even Beren and Luthien were "allowed" to retrieve only one Silmaril, they could not free all three. So even the combination of their lineage was insufficient to carry the task to completion.
__________________
You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera
Galadriel55 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2025, 01:47 PM   #2
William Cloud Hicklin
Loremaster of Annúminas
 
William Cloud Hicklin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,330
William Cloud Hicklin is battling Black Riders on Weathertop.William Cloud Hicklin is battling Black Riders on Weathertop.William Cloud Hicklin is battling Black Riders on Weathertop.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Galadriel55 View Post
Interestingly too, even Beren and Luthien were "allowed" to retrieve only one Silmaril, they could not free all three. So even the combination of their lineage was insufficient to carry the task to completion.
I don't think the Plan ever contemplated the Noldor recovering all three.
__________________
The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.
William Cloud Hicklin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2025, 10:06 AM   #3
SoundingShores
Pile O'Bones
 
Join Date: Nov 2024
Posts: 14
SoundingShores has just left Hobbiton.
I think Beren and Luthien can be seen, to some extent, as "forerunners" to the Hobbits. They certainly have that First Age glory about them, but compared to the other, great forces participating in the conflicts of their time, they were still "little people." They even infiltrated an enemy stronghold like Frodo and Sam.

An important difference is that the anti-Sauron cause was supposed to be more or less purely righteous, and this goes also for the people of higher social status who fought the war, not just the Hobbits. Sure, some had less elevated motives than others, but they weren't fighting Sauron for downright "sinful" reasons (except maybe Saruman). By contrast, the oath of Feanor was supposed to be blasphemous against the Valar, so their entire reason for fighting was basically bad from the start. And then there was the Kinslaying. Because of this, they were morally compromised and couldn't be allowed to get what they wanted. In fact, their adherence to their oath had to be ruinous, in order to portray rebelliousness against the Valar as misguided.

Beren and Luthien, by contrast, didn't have this possessiveness about the Silmaril or antagonism towards the Valar, so they could be allowed to have some degree of success. And as with the Hobbits, allowing smaller players to fulfill unexpectedly large roles helps create a sense that everything is part of some grand inscrutable design (which is clearly what Tolkien wanted to suggest).

Last edited by SoundingShores; 02-16-2025 at 10:12 AM.
SoundingShores is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:22 PM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.