TIG CXVII: GAME Thread:

[Pitchwife]

Fair enough. Things are not as clear to me, so I didn't see it that way.

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Fair enough. Things are not as clear to me, so I didn't see it that way.

I know. I had hoped there was a Dream clarifying me and LommyWolf but there isn’t.

[Morsul the Dark]

Since it’s so quiet I’ll add this thought.

On Day 1 I voted Huin out of knee jerk reaction after changing my mind. On Day two I was going to vote Lottie then voted Sally. On day three and four I voted ridiculously early once for a wolf once for an innocent. Does that sound like a wolf or an Ordo with no idea what he’s doing?

[Thinlómien]

Sorry, I've been ridiculously busy with work again (we have a new intern who started today, and by "we" I mean that I'm in charge of her so no ww:ing during work today!)

Anyway, now here on/off until hopefully about 2h before DL. (Hopefully = hopefully for my physical and mental health I can manage to go to sleep at a semi sensible hour. )

YesterDay's voting looks absolutely insane by the way, and I'm also baffled to see Boro gone instead of Soriman. And we have a bonus surprise known innocent, too? Like I said before, this game has been absolutely bat excrement, and it doesn't seem to be slowing down towards the end!

Originally Posted by Morsul

Does that sound like a wolf or an Ordo with no idea what he’s doing?

Well I have to say, hats off to you, because for pretty much the whole game I thought you were the latter. Bussing Sally was an insanely bold move and it might have won you the whole game, had the dead not just confirmed Pitch is innocent (can I say: thank god about that! I was thinking yesterDay that his votes made him look really bad but there was something genuine about his flipflopping about Sally, so I really had to argue reason vs gut... glad I didn't vote for him. And glad the dead have stopped me from voting for him toDay and ruining everything. Yikes.)

By the way I find it incredibly funny I was choosing between Legate, Boro and Pitch yesterDay, and I managed to vote for the only wolf on an about as wrong reasoning as you can get (that he looked the most likely to be in cahoots with either Pitch or Boro... who have now been proven innocent. ) Anyway, Legate, if you're reading this, I'm withdrawing my apology for voting you. Just so you know. Doing wolfy business *in my house* *behind my back*?? Shame on you!

That being said

++MORSUL

Because honestly, if either Soriman or Pitch is a wolf, I'm gonna take it up with the Dead once the game is over.

Now I'm off to check yesterDay's last posts, I'm pretty sure I had something to reply to there.

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Sorry, I've been ridiculously busy with work again (we have a new intern who started today, and by "we" I mean that I'm in charge of her so no ww:ing during work today!)

Anyway, now here on/off until hopefully about 2h before DL. (Hopefully = hopefully for my physical and mental health I can manage to go to sleep at a semi sensible hour. )

YesterDay's voting looks absolutely insane by the way, and I'm also baffled to see Boro gone instead of Soriman. And we have a bonus surprise known innocent, too? Like I said before, this game has been absolutely bat excrement, and it doesn't seem to be slowing down towards the end!

Well I have to say, hats off to you, because for pretty much the whole game I thought you were the latter. Bussing Sally was an insanely bold move and it might have won you the whole game, had the dead not just confirmed Pitch is innocent (can I say: thank god about that! I was thinking yesterDay that his votes made him look really bad but there was something genuine about his flipflopping about Sally, so I really had to argue reason vs gut... glad I didn't vote for him. And glad the dead have stopped me from voting for him toDay and ruining everything. Yikes.)

By the way I find it incredibly funny I was choosing between Legate, Boro and Pitch yesterDay, and I managed to vote for the only wolf on an about as wrong reasoning as you can get (that he looked the most likely to be in cahoots with either Pitch or Boro... who have now been proven innocent. ) Anyway, Legate, if you're reading this, I'm withdrawing my apology for voting you. Just so you know. Doing wolfy business *in my house* *behind my back*?? Shame on you!

That being said

++MORSUL

Because honestly, if either Soriman or Pitch is a wolf, I'm gonna take it up with the Dead once the game is over.

Now I'm off to check yesterDay's last posts, I'm pretty sure I had something to reply to there.

Lots of words to say I’m smart. I’m not that smart.

Bolding mine. Oh cmon that’s not even a believable lie.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by TTT: The King of the Golden Hall

Where now the horse and the rider? Where is the horn that was blowing?
Where is the helm and the hauberk, and the bright hair flowing?
Where is the hand on the harpstring, and the red fire glowing?
Where is the spring and the harvest and the tall corn growing?
They have passed like rain on the mountain, like a wind in the meadow;
The days have gone down in the West behind the hills into shadow.
Who shall gather the smoke of the dead wood burning,
Or behold the flowing years from the Sea returning?

Originally Posted by TTT: The King of the Golden Hall

Yet in doubt a man of worth will trust to his own wisdom.

--Ghost

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Morsul

Oh cmon that’s not even a believable lie.

It's not a believable lie because it's not a lie in the first place? I would absolutely give them a thrashing.

But I don't see any reason to doubt Lottie indicating Pitch was dreamt innocent by our seer. (Boro, are you proud of me for understanding a ghost message? )

I still don't know why the dead are so certain that Soriman is innocent. They must have concluded it based on the tidbits of information they got from the Moddesses. But as I don't know what those tidbits are, I cannot follow their logic, ergo I cannot be 100% sure. But if a whole dead thread full of innocents (until recently) agreed on the conclusion, I'm inclined to trust them. So I'm like 95% sure Soriman is innocent. (But yes, I would have a few choice words for the dead in the unlikely event of him being a wolf. But I've decided that's out of my hands now.)

So, the last wolf has to be you. It's nothing personal.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by TTT: The White Rider

'Yes, I am white now,' said Gandalf. 'Indeed I am Saruman, one might almost say, Saruman as he should have been.'

Originally Posted by UT: The Palantiri

It must be remembered that the Stones were originally "innocent," serving no evil purpose.

Originally Posted by FotR: The Council of Elrond

' "Your information was correct," I said.

--Ghost

[Thinlómien]

Lottie, I understand the second thing you're saying, but why the poem? Are you just asking where Pitch and Soriman are? (In which case... which one is the horse and which one is the rider? )

Originally Posted by Pitch

On the Night kill: I don't think the wolf was just being sporting by sparing a known innocent, but perhaps they thought Soriman had dropped out, or was liable to modfire for his second non-vote, or might simply miss the vote again. In any case I don't think it's unfair to say that Boro would have been a more formidable opponent toDay, so eliminating him instead makes sense.

I don't know; with my logic Soriman getting modfired wouldn't really change anything, as it would only come to effect at the end of the Day? I mean whether or not Soriman is around, it's victory if we lynch a wolf, and defeat if we lynch an innocent. The only difference is that if we win, then Soriman can say he survived until the end of the game if he's not modfired.

Otherwise... I have nothing to add, except I agree with your questions. *shrug emoji*


edit: xed with the resident ghost... my question is referring to her earlier message.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Pitch

Looking at the above*, I find it noteworthy how Lommy keeps iterating that "something's wrong with Hui/Legate/Boro" in ever so many posts, hammering down the notion that one of them probably is a wolf while wavering and flipflopping about the details all the time, and also juggling some passing suspicion of sally in the other hand but ever reluctant to vote her.

On one hand she looks a lot like a befuddled Ordlómien, and at the time I could certainly sympathise with her predicament (one of my big mistakes this game, which I'm about to repeat, is hanging around to DL just because I can, whereas my thinking doesn't necessarily get clearer approaching it).

But on the other hand this would also befit a packmate of sally's who was frantically looking for a way to save her but also made sure to suspect her enough to exculpate herself if sally was lynched.

If I had wanted to save Sally, why not go for Lottie? If I recall correctly, it was tied between them for quite a while.

And you know what's funny? That I DIDN'T want to vote for any of Hui/Legate/Boro (I believe I said so several times). I thought there was something weird there (well, we now know it was Legate *side eye*) but I didn't have the time to analyse it, nor the brains when the DL started approaching and it was late here. I was just making a mental note to look at it the next Day. I would have preferred to vote you or Kath (oops... side note: I thought there was something funny about Kath laying low... well indeed) but there didn't seem to be any support for either option, so I decided to choose someone else.

Lottie I did not suspect and Sally I was uncertain of since she hadn't posted much anything and I didn't think the Form kill pointed at her very strongly (and I kinda still don't think that even though I know she was a wolf... I would really like to know after the game if it was a dab at seer elimination or some kind of a no trace kill gone wrong). I thought lynching Sally would be not be the worst option but not the best either, as I thought her chances of being a wolf were not significantly higher than anybody else's and I didn't think it would shed light on others. Meanwhile the Huin/Legate/Boro trio was suspicious and lynching one of them WOULD shed light on the other two (spoiler alert: but it didn't, in hindsight) so I had the brainwave to go for Huin whom I found the most suspicious out of the three. I'll freely admit it was a past-midnight pre-deadline whim, and well, we now know it didn't exactly end in glory. So yeah, I thought Huin was both more (based on behaviour) and less (based on Form's death) suspicious than Sally, so what tipped the scales was the idea that his death would be more informative than hers if he turned out to be an ordo (vs if she turned out to be an ordo).

Originally Posted by Boro to me

You claim that my post is wanting to continue to talk about Huey's messages today. And I say look at my other posts, have I been completely focused on Huey's messages? I don't think so. I brought it up again because I saw your comment as an attempt to cause confusion about the info Huey has given us.

I'm aware I'm arguing with a dead person here, but just saying that this is not a very fair representation of me. I was writing and commenting at the same time, therefore I started with something like "I don't understand Huin" and later in the same (short paragraph) "update: ok I see what Huin means". Perhaps I should have edited that out since by the time I finished reading and writing I understood what Huin had meant (his initial post(s) were confusing to me, after clarification/repetition not) but when I do the thing that I read through the thread and comment as I go (fastest and easiest way to catch up with ww), I usually prefer to leave my old notes there even if they're not so relevant anymore, as long as I update them (as I did here). It's for two reasons: 1) I think it's an act of making my thought process more transparent and 2) because I'm lazy and also if I have already written something it goes to waste if I have to delete it, even if it's stupid.

Originally Posted by Boro

I was responding to Legateto

I might be tired (I didn't go to sleep early yesterday either even though there wasn't ww) but this is making me crack up uncontrollably... imagining some random Italian dude named Legateto...

Originally Posted by Boro

This is unexpected, as is your vote for Legate. I mean so it's a threeway coin-toss in your opinion, and that just looks like nonchallantly "I don't care who it is, just so it's not me." That is very much not something I expect from an innocent Lommy.

I know Boro is innocent, but this still has the same vibe in my head as Palpatine saying the news about him being elected as Supreme Chancellor is "unexpected."

Anyway I don't really follow this logic: if I was a wolf, wouldn't I have cared about my packmate not getting lynched either? When it was so close to wolf victory?

To be honest, I'm rather amazed yesterDay went as well as it did, because I was expecting a disaster. I didn't cherish the situation I was in - giving the wolves something to bandwagon on if I was wrong - but I couldn't stay up until the deadline either. I had started the Day full of determination to find the truth of the wolves' identities by analysing Kath, Sally, and the Boro/Legate/Hui thing, and I had failed to find anything conclusive. Everything was like "looks innocent but could be a bold wolf" or "looks wolvish but could be a confused innocent". I thought whatever I did would be quite likely to be wrong and doom the village (yes, maybe I thought it was about me more than it actually was), so I was feeling pretty helpless when I voted, being almost certain both the wolves would still be there until the deadline and the outcome would be up to them. I didn't think the village had much of a chance. Obviously I'm glad I was wrong, but given that my logic for arriving at Legate (that he was the likeliest to be co-wolves with my other suspects, Pitch and Boro) was based on a terrible foundation, I think it was a rather good three way coin toss, if you will!

What else can I say? I know the real decision toDay is up to Pitch and Soriman, not me or Morsul. At least that's two known innocents. I don't really have any options but to trust you guys. That could be a depressing thought, but this game has been a ride and it feels like it's gone on for an aeon, so to be entirely honest, I'm quite happy to push the final responsibility on your shoulders. No pressure. ;-)

But I just want to say that personally, I think the idea of me bussing my fellow Legate yesterDay is absolutely insane. I could also remind you guys that my vote for Sally was the one to seal her fate without a doubt. If I said I never make bold moves as a wolf I'd be lying, but I am nowhere near that ruthless.

[Pitchwife]

OK, I'm here.

On the Night kill: I don't think the wolf was just being sporting by sparing a known innocent, but perhaps they thought Soriman had dropped out, or was liable to modfire for his second non-vote, or might simply miss the vote again. In any case I don't think it's unfair to say that Boro would have been a more formidable opponent toDay, so eliminating him instead makes sense.

Also his death points rather obviously to Lommy whom he suspected and voted yesterDay. But there my difficulties start, for how much sense exactly would it make for Lommy to kill Boro? She speculated a lot about Boro and Legate being packmates yesterDay. Wouldn't it have been better for her to kill, if not Soriman, then either Morsul or me and persuade the remainder to help her lynch Boro? Especially after Boro criticised her vote for Legate who then turned out to be a wolf?

And speaking of that, I know from experience that Legate has no objections to being bussed if it helps the pack to win, but would Lommy as a wolf really have felt that such a sacrifice was necessary when the pack had already lost sally? I mean, the latter I get - if sally was busy and unwell I can even see her volunteering for it. But why ditch your last packmate on the eve of endgame? Were there no other options?


Soriman, are you around? Any thoughts?

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Ghostlote

Quote:
Originally Posted by TTT: The King of the Golden Hall
Yet in doubt a man of worth will trust to his own wisdom.

Hail, fair spectre! I'll try to heed your words. (And lovely choice of quotes btw!)

Also it would be remiss of me not to thank the Dead for saving my life. I can't wait to find out what was going on behind the curtains of the otherworld yesterDay.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Everything was like "looks innocent but could be a bold wolf" or "looks wolvish but could be a confused innocent". I thought whatever I did would be quite likely to be wrong and doom the village (yes, maybe I thought it was about me more than it actually was)

This is so much like me it isn't funny.

[Morsul the Dark]

So many words to obfuscate and confuse. I’ve given my thoughts unless a direct question is asked I have nothing to add Lommy is the wolf and writing essays to confuse and discombobulate.