Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXV: On the Borders of Mirkwood - Game Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Rikae · 06-11-2020, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Macalaure

I should add that the probabilities are the same for whatever other order one were to come up with.

They're not, because another order wouldn't be random. Not all packs are equally likely at this point!

Macalaure · 06-11-2020, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

They're not, because another order wouldn't be random. Not all packs are equally likely at this point!

True, but who would you trust enough to make one up? We don't have the time to do it by committee. The only one would be Nilp, and he's apparently not around.

Macalaure · 06-11-2020, 01:28 PM

*mutterandthisiswhyiwantedtodothisfirstthingmutter *

Rikae · 06-11-2020, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Macalaure

*mutterandthisiswhyiwantedtodothisfirstthingmutter *

And I saw the problem with it then but was hesitant to bring it up for exactly this reason, any discussion gets accused of "muddling". But since I'm not the only one who saw a problem I thought maybe we could improve it some and avoid the drawback I saw (the alphabetical list pairs people I think are likely to be wolves together, in fact).

It wouldn't be muddling if we'd clearly highlight an official list at a reasonable hour, but at this point we are running out of time to do that, and most of the delay comes from people getting upset the discussion is happening at all!

Macalaure · 06-11-2020, 01:35 PM

Fine then. This is not worth arguing about from my point of view.

DEAD PEEPS - USE RIKAE'S LIST!

Kath · 06-11-2020, 01:36 PM

Yeah ok let's go for consensus. If the Dead Thread hate the list they can just vote no Medium.

Rikae's list it is.

satansaloser2005 · 06-11-2020, 01:37 PM

It's better to use something we already had standing earlier in the day. Nilp seemed okay with Mac's list. No one has really given any good reasons why the list wouldn't work. Yes, maybe Mac is manipulating things because he's a wolf. That could be true of anyone except Nilp. The list is alphabetical, not randomly organized, so I think it's a fair list to use for this purpose. If we want to get more information from the dead thread toMorrow, we can use a different list. I don't care. But let's not change what we're doing when the dead thread may not be able to adjust to a change.

x'd since my last

Shastanis Althreduin · 06-11-2020, 01:47 PM

Look, I just think with 5 good votes to 4 evil ones right now, using the Medium vote for information only could be what tips the scale here. If there's a way to do both (info AND as vote strength) I'm all for it.

I do think anyone wanting to have a "no vote" is misguided at best and wolvish at worst. We do not have that luxury.

Rikae · 06-11-2020, 01:48 PM

Oh dear ... Sally has a point.

Shastanis Althreduin · 06-11-2020, 01:50 PM

It isn't overstating it to say that we're in a position where if a good votes another good we straight-up lose.

Thinlómien · 06-11-2020, 01:56 PM

Seriously dudes. What the [censored]. Can you Rikae and Mac agree on a list since you got us into this mess. Please. I'm gonna wash my hands of this.

I'm in the middle of writing an analysis about everybody's interactions toDay (which I will post when I'm done) and I feel like I'm having a bit of revelation. Could you Mac, Rikae and Pitch please stop squabbling if you're all innocent (I understand one of you might be the cobbler and intentionally messing around) and answer me (Kath can also answer, I almost trust you now funnily enough

and hey Nilp, sure if you're around!) but:

Brinn / Shasta / Sally pack, anyone? Nicely flying under our radars the whole time? Scarcely mentioning each other? It suddenly makes a lot of sense to me.

Thoughts?

edit: xed with the last 3 posts

Kath · 06-11-2020, 01:50 PM

So I think Pitch actually might be the Cobbler after all given his posting.

Mac is on much the same lines as me which is making me inclined to trust him.

Lommy is driving me insane and that feels like normal so I guess I feel ok about her.

Nilp I am going on trust as the BH.

Leaving me with Brinn, Rikae, sally and Shasta.

satansaloser2005 · 06-11-2020, 01:54 PM

Well, we've made our bed, now let's lie in it. I hope the dead thread can make it work, or we're all potentially very dead.

Pitchwife · 06-11-2020, 02:06 PM

sallly! Really! When Mac himself hath spoken, what further need to belabour the point? Who's manipulating and obfuscating now?

The alphabet is as random as anything (unlike, say, Tengwar and Angerthas

), which is why Mac's proposal to tie toDay's Medium empowerment to something as random as which player follows which in the alphabet rather than concrete suspicions, likely or unlikely pack constellations etc. didn't and doesn't sit right with me. He's backpedalled now, but it still may have been an attempt by a wolf to manipulate the empowerment while looking super helpful. And if this is so, I could see either of Kath and Lommy as his packmate and the other as the cobbler.

That said, I can live with Rikae's list.

Thinlómien · 06-11-2020, 02:09 PM

Okay *stops washing hands*

LET'S GO WITH RIKAE'S LIST THEN AND STOP DEBATING.

satansaloser2005 · 06-11-2020, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitchwife

sallly! Really! When Mac himself hath spoken, what further need to belabour the point? Who's manipulating and obfuscating now?

I was on a conference call and had the post open, so neener.

Who who the fork are we even lynching?

06-11-2020, 01:36 PM	#6
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	Yeah ok let's go for consensus. If the Dead Thread hate the list they can just vote no Medium. Rikae's list it is. __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

06-11-2020, 01:37 PM	#7
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	It's better to use something we already had standing earlier in the day. Nilp seemed okay with Mac's list. No one has really given any good reasons why the list wouldn't work. Yes, maybe Mac is manipulating things because he's a wolf. That could be true of anyone except Nilp. The list is alphabetical, not randomly organized, so I think it's a fair list to use for this purpose. If we want to get more information from the dead thread toMorrow, we can use a different list. I don't care. But let's not change what we're doing when the dead thread may not be able to adjust to a change. x'd since my last __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm. Last edited by satansaloser2005; 06-11-2020 at 01:39 PM. Reason: clarification

06-11-2020, 01:47 PM	#8
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	Look, I just think with 5 good votes to 4 evil ones right now, using the Medium vote for information only could be what tips the scale here. If there's a way to do both (info AND as vote strength) I'm all for it. I do think anyone wanting to have a "no vote" is misguided at best and wolvish at worst. We do not have that luxury. __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV

06-11-2020, 01:50 PM	#10
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	It isn't overstating it to say that we're in a position where if a good votes another good we straight-up lose. __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV

06-11-2020, 01:56 PM	#11
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Seriously dudes. What the [censored]. Can you Rikae and Mac agree on a list since you got us into this mess. Please. I'm gonna wash my hands of this. I'm in the middle of writing an analysis about everybody's interactions toDay (which I will post when I'm done) and I feel like I'm having a bit of revelation. Could you Mac, Rikae and Pitch please stop squabbling if you're all innocent (I understand one of you might be the cobbler and intentionally messing around) and answer me (Kath can also answer, I almost trust you now funnily enough and hey Nilp, sure if you're around!) but: Brinn / Shasta / Sally pack, anyone? Nicely flying under our radars the whole time? Scarcely mentioning each other? It suddenly makes a lot of sense to me. Thoughts? edit: xed with the last 3 posts __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

06-11-2020, 01:28 PM	#3
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	mutterandthisiswhyiwantedtodothisfirstthingmutter

06-11-2020, 01:35 PM	#5
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	Fine then. This is not worth arguing about from my point of view. DEAD PEEPS - USE RIKAE'S LIST!

06-11-2020, 01:48 PM	#9
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Oh dear ... Sally has a point.

06-11-2020, 01:54 PM	#13
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Well, we've made our bed, now let's lie in it. I hope the dead thread can make it work, or we're all potentially very dead. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

06-11-2020, 02:06 PM	#14
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	sallly! Really! When Mac himself hath spoken, what further need to belabour the point? Who's manipulating and obfuscating now? The alphabet is as random as anything (unlike, say, Tengwar and Angerthas), which is why Mac's proposal to tie toDay's Medium empowerment to something as random as which player follows which in the alphabet rather than concrete suspicions, likely or unlikely pack constellations etc. didn't and doesn't sit right with me. He's backpedalled now, but it still may have been an attempt by a wolf to manipulate the empowerment while looking super helpful. And if this is so, I could see either of Kath and Lommy as his packmate and the other as the cobbler. That said, I can live with Rikae's list. __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI Last edited by Pitchwife; 06-11-2020 at 02:11 PM. Reason: x-ed 595 down due to RL nosebleeds

06-11-2020, 02:09 PM	#15
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Okay stops washing hands LET'S GO WITH RIKAE'S LIST THEN AND STOP DEBATING. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

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