Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXIV – The Evil Breath of Morgoth in Dor-lómin, discussion thread

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

FWIW I called Borowolf and Ordo Son of Bjarne yesterDay on nothing but gut feeling, so this is quite satisfying.

I am not sure I care for this new nickname.

I wasn't ordinary, I was outright abysmal.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

I wasn't ordinary, I was outright abysmal.

Well, I can certainly say that for myself!

I tell myself, though, that at least I might offer a bit of entertainment value, for both sides.

[Boromir88]

Probably my favorite message in Night 2's planning. I was so paranoid of Rikae that I thought they were obviously contradicting everything I posted, but weren't trying to point suspicion towards me. To stay 'hidden' as a seer and get more dreams in:

Could be paranoia. If our [Rikae] roles were reversed I wouldn’t openly give clues that I dreamed of a wolf night 1, especially a wolf who likes to chatter a lot. Their first post, makes mention that they like lists (opposite from my previous response to G55 rambling that I hate lists). First suspect list doesn’t have a wolf in it, but they later mentions that it was a designed trap for wolves. Which they make mention that Brinn and Kath look “opportunistic” by jumping on G55. Then later claims that Brinn fell for the trap by repeating G55/Pitch were suspicious (2 of the names on Rikae’s first list) In posts where xe’s contemplating votes xe’s “torn” by G55’s behavior. Maybe doubtful to G55’s guilt because xe was one of the few people I was interacting with in the early start. It would be really bold strategy for 2 mates to associate themselves too closely (I usually only do it if I’m in a pack with like Phantom or Nog). I’m just reading xer interactions towards me all day were extremely minimal, but xe made it a point to subtlety contradict me on lists and a comment that I looked to be “buttering Mac up.” (that was pretty amusing)

cobb55 might work in our favor to Rikae-seer, in the fact that now xe might view my early interaction with G55 as reaching out to identify the cobbler. I skipped Rikae’s posts where xe was arguing with G55, because there’s nothing to get from the cobbler getting under Rikae’s skin. But their final post #245 interesting. Xe makes mention of the “anti-Brinn” vote wagon that was starting (Pointing towards Huey, Lottie, and Inzil). I read their final post and I’m seeing xe’s putting it out to the village that it looks like there’s a wolf effort to “save” Brinn. If correct, xe will dream Brinn tonight. Finding her innocent might alleviate Rikae’s final comment about Huey’s “boldness” to save Brinn.

I know it’s scanty and I could be paranoid. But I would bet xe’s Seer, their first post was designed as a trap and xe believed Brinn stepped in it. Regardless of that, to kill Rikae tonight is still a big risk, because even if I didn’t believe Rikae was the seer, absent of any other people that looked the part, I would protect Rikae tonight.

Despite your one day, played brilliantly Rikae and you helped more than you knew at the time.

And sort of my "Night 1 strategizing"...which happened to be quite different from what I was hoping to achieve in this game. I was planning on being the 1st wolf to go down. Alas, again the dead threads allude me:

Trying to think as an ordo here, I would take it as Day 1 banter and nothing that would cause me to jump on as suspicious/reason to lynch. The risk is, whoever is the hunter, might pick up and think “well, hS, can’t be the hunter, so why?” and therefor decide to hunt you. You are right, that the hunter is a low priority gifted, who’s best benefit is when they die, they manage to take a wolf with them.

The seer can be catastrophic, not only their dreams. Even if the seer doesn’t dream of any of us, it gives them a baseline of who they can trust. If the seer dreams of another gifted, the Seer and Ranger/or Hunter, can start working in tandem with the seer’s dreams and ranger protecting the dreams (or the hunter hunting us). They’re never able to privately communicate with eachother, but that’s the worst case scenario, that the gifteds figured out who they are, and can coordinate their efforts of seer dreams/Ranger protecting their dreams and stopping our kills.

For the cobbler, it’s my absolute favorite role to be, I think there are many who find the role annoying, but I just find causing mischief fun. So, the cobbler counts as an innocent in the tally, but wants us to win. The downside is the cobbler doesn’t know any of us, so they can really muddle things up and go after/lynch us just like any other villager. Ideally, the cobbler is meant to die to help us win. Pretty much everyone already assumes I’m a nefarious schemer, even when I’m not trying to be! That’s my “baggage” and I doubt even if I haven’t played in a couple years, people are going to give up that baggage. Luckily, I delight in causing mischief. The benefit of being a wolf, but acting like you’re drawing all the suspicion that you’re the cobbler, is it makes the innocent less likely to vote for you. Since, lynching the cobbler counts as a loss on the innocent tally, people are far more inclined to ignore lynching the cobbler, if they feel they can get a wolf. So, since no matter what I say, I give off the vibes of being an evil schemer, my best survival tool is pretending to be so suspicious, I’m the cobbler. I plan to not attract so much attention early, because early days the village will be more inclined to want to lynch the cobbler. Later on, when the numbers say they desperately need to lynch a wolf, acting like the cobbler is great cover (in my experience).

I do hope that most people have forgotten about my desperate desire to be in the dead thread. In previous games with dead threads, I just found them so fascinating, but I’m cursed to never get to enjoy them for long. And being a wolf, I will aggressively and loudly fight for survival. I’ll see how things play out on Day 1, but expect me to start picking fights with 2 or 3 of the more active villagers and pretty much ignoring everyone else. That way there’s no trail of if I die “Boro didn’t say anything about The Ka, they must be in the same pack.” I want to be “Boro didn’t say anything about anyone and was just super focused on attacking Legate and Shasta.”

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I have skimmed through a few pages of the quarantine thread, and so far this is my favourite quotation.

Originally Posted by Lalaith

OMG will Eonwe never die

I am not sure I dare read through the whole thing though.

[Lalaith]

Such fun! So well played everyone! Nogs, what a wonderful concept and such great write-ups. Big hearts all round....really loved this game.

At the beginning of this game I said I was good at spotting innocents and hopeless at spotting wolves. How true, sadly that turned out to be.
My sure-fire wolves were Legate, and then Eonwe. All wrong.
My sure-fire innocents were Greenie, Lottie, Kit, Rune, Pitch. All good.

So basically I wouldn't know a wolf if I fell over it and it bit me on the ankle.

[Loslote]

Aww, Boro, rude! Leave the poor innocent child alone!

Nog, this was such an incredible game! Everything from the actual gameplay to the narrations were phenomenal. And great job, everyone else, for making this such an exciting and gripping game to play! I'm looking forward to reading through the QT for a whole new perspective on what was going on.

[THE Ka]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Aww, Boro, rude! Leave the poor innocent child alone!

Since in-narration they're my daughter I feel as if I have to smooth this over, but eh I was already dead and like to think old Indor went out with a smirk.

Again, thank you Nog for hosting and narrating such an awesome game. I don't think I've ever played a game as enjoyably chaotic and welcoming at the same time.

[Loslote]

Also......there was *zero* wolf-on-wolf in the Huin bandwagon. That many innocents really did just decide out of nowhere to quarantine a wolf!

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Also......there was *zero* wolf-on-wolf in the Huin bandwagon. That many innocents really did just decide out of nowhere to quarantine a wolf!

WHO SAID THIS AND GOT LIKE A MILLION PEOPLE DISAGREEING/ CONSIDERING ME FISHY IN RESPONSE, HMMM??!!

Ah thank you Lottie for pointing this out, now I at least feel vindicated about something.

[Lhunardawen]

Boro, you are insane and I love you. That is all.

[Lalaith]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

I am not sure I care for this new nickname.

I wasn't ordinary, I was outright abysmal.

Hey, don't be like that, brother from another mother. (read the QT thread for explanation)
And congrats on the baby you have acquired since we last met!

[Loslote]

Also, I don't know where I got this, but I thought the Cuties knew who I was, and I was 100% expecting them to vote for me when G55 and Huin had majority, so that the wolves could Night kill me. I was so shocked when it was Brinn instead. Now that I've looked at the thread, I realize they didn't know, and I was worried about nothing the whole time.

[Galadriel55]

Ha! I knew it! I bloody knew it! Since Day 1! Though I was considering Hunter as a possible alternative for Boro, and was nearly convinced in favour of Hunter when Sally died. But the longer Boro remained alive, the more certain I became of his furriness. I kneeeewww iiiitttt!!!


Will catch up to the discussion a bit later from my computer. For now, thank you for at least taking the Child down and for a wonderful climax! And thank you Nog for an awesome game!