Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXIV – The Evil Breath of Morgoth in Dor-lómin, game thread

[Thinlómien]

Amazing!

But, in all fairness, I'm gonna sit on this a sec and see if there's a counter reveal; I think it's the only prudent choice. Let's not shoot ourselves in the foot, right?

Now I don't really see why a wolf!Brinn would choose to save a packmate Eönwë like this - frankly, if there's a competing reveal that says he's a wolf, everyone would rather believe that one.

But something's just very off about the Shasta kill.

Anyway, extremely clever suggestion about the QT which I also think a not-genuine seer would not make.

I need to think a sec and do maths.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

But, in all fairness, I'm gonna sit on this a sec and see if there's a counter reveal; I think it's the only prudent choice. Let's not shoot ourselves in the foot, right?

I'm not sure why there would be a counter reveal. The 2 remaining wolves need two innocents lynched to win.

So there is no sense in Brinnwolf faking seer now. If she is, then the real seer should still stay hidden, because lynching an innocent today wouldn't result in wolf victory

Lynch Kath today...

If wolf, then Brinn will surely be killed at night.

If Kath's innocent, then it's clear Brinn was lying and we lynch her tomorrow.

To Brinn, I would say think if who of the unknowns you're going to dream of tonight and lets set up a signal with the QT vote tomorrow.

Say you post before the end of day you're going to dream Lottie.

If Lottie turns up wolf, get the QT to vote Lottie. Game set match.

If Lottie turns up innocent, get the QT to vote for one of the confirmed/dreamed innocents and it would signal to us that you dreamed Lottie innocent. Because even with the QT and the 1 wolf, there would still be enough innocents to not lynch Lottie.

I don't think there's any way of wolves tampering with that signal.

Edit: crossed with Lommy and Brinn

[Kath]

Erm ... no I'm not? I'm mean I'm nothing exciting like the Seer or the Innocent Child either but I'm not a wolf.

I have no time toDay and just popped in to see what was happening. Wasn't expecting this! I'm not going to be around until near deadline now so I guess do what you have to do? The numbers are still on our side if an innocent is lynched toDay I believe so while I'd obviously rather we lynched a wolf toDay, if it's easier just to go for me then so be it.

[Thinlómien]

I have to say, what a game this has been. Absolutely insane and suspenseful. Also a beautiful demonstration that virtually anything can be done by either an innocent or a wolf. There's almost no foolproof logic to things. Also probably people who analyse Night kills might pay more attention than those who committed the Night kills in the first place.

Also did I personally learn anything? If I'm convinced someone's a wolf, they most likely are not. *blowing kisses to Mac, Sally, Inzil and Eönwë*

Wellll at least I got Lhuna and Ka and several of the innocents right........

Originally Posted by Kath

Erm ... no I'm not? I'm mean I'm nothing exciting like the Seer or the Innocent Child either but I'm not a wolf.

I have no time toDay and just popped in to see what was happening. Wasn't expecting this! I'm not going to be around until near deadline now so I guess do what you have to do? The numbers are still on our side if an innocent is lynched toDay I believe so while I'd obviously rather we lynched a wolf toDay, if it's easier just to go for me then so be it.

I'm sure you'd say this as a wolf with no time either, but thank you for not taking the fake reveal route. Even though it would have been entertaining.

[A Little Green]

I think Shasta and Brinn just won us the game.

Actually (smug moment) I did think Brinn was a possible Seer from Day 1. I mean, look at this -

Originally Posted by G55

Beware of Greeks bearing gifts!

She literally started her first post of the game with "I come bearing gifts" - and what's even crazier, G55 actually noticed it and pointed it out under the guise of responding to banter. If anything, that exchange made me rather doubt whether Brinn could be the real Seer given that the wolves didn't kill her for it. Well played, hun!

As for the Shasta kill - I think it's possible that the wolves just pegged him as a possible Seer based on his comments about Ka, Lottie and me. To be honest, I first read his stuff about Eonwe as more like someone he suspected and was going to dream next, though admittedly still somewhat incriminating without the knowledge we now have. That whole thing still makes me think Lottie is innocent though, which leaves the last wolf to be Boro or Rune. I'm guessing Rune is the likelier candidate, though I'd still need to try and figure out whether Boro's non-reveal still makes sense as a wolf thing given Eonwe's innocence.

Last thing - smug moments re: Brinn and Kath notwithstanding, I was obviously wrong about Eonwe. Note to self: next time I have a feeling someone is innocent but my logic says they're not, I shouldn't listen to the logic because werewolf isn't a logical game. Sorry Eonwe (not to mention Mac, Sally and Inzil - this hasn't been my brightest game ever ), lesson learned.

Also might as well get this over with -

++Kath

[Thinlómien]

So no counter claim? How boring! I like fake reveals and hunter kills and all kinds of other messy complications

++Kath

Now where's the innocent baby child whose head we all want to pat next for doing well and surviving? I have a guess, but given my track record of guessing anyone's roles (*compulsory side-eye at Boro* ) in this game I think I'll spare myself further humiliation and just shut up...

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Now where's the innocent baby child whose head we all want to pat next for doing well and surviving? I have a guess, but given my track record of guessing anyone's roles (*compulsory side-eye at Boro* ) in this game I think I'll spare myself further humiliation and just shut up...

I think that's everyone! No counter reveal, so:

I am the Innocent Child.

[Nogrod]

Yes.

Lottie is Lalaith, the Innocent Child.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Yes.

Lottie is Lalaith, the Innocent Child.

It’s official, I have been wrong about everything!

It will be nice to win, even if my contribution have been on par with a cobbler.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Boro

To Brinn, I would say think if who of the unknowns you're going to dream of tonight and lets set up a signal with the QT vote tomorrow.

Say you post before the end of day you're going to dream Lottie.

If Lottie turns up wolf, get the QT to vote Lottie. Game set match.

If Lottie turns up innocent, get the QT to vote for one of the confirmed/dreamed innocents and it would signal to us that you dreamed Lottie innocent. Because even with the QT and the 1 wolf, there would still be enough innocents to not lynch Lottie.

Um, I was thinking less complicated than that. Like if the person I dream is innocent then I will not vote for them, but still vote for an unknown.

It would be nice to know who the innocent child is before I decide who to dream of, so I don't waste the dream on them. Anyone?

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Um, I was thinking less complicated than that. Like if the person I dream is innocent then I will not vote for them, but still vote for an unknown.

Yeah this makes sense. Now the remaining unknowns are Boro and Rune, so when Brinn has had her dream she knows which one is which, and can just organise the cuties to vote the wolfy one.

Originally Posted by Loslote

I think that's everyone! No counter reveal, so:
I am the Innocent Child.

Good job, little one! *pats head*

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Good job, little one! *pats head*

Remember when Sally was going to hunt me and I didn't reveal? That was so stressful!

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Remember when Sally was going to hunt me and I didn't reveal? That was so stressful!

........well hey at least it made me consider you innocent..........

[Loslote]

Also, I totally might get Night killed for revealing here, but it's worth it if it allows Brinn to guarantee the win.