Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXIV – The Evil Breath of Morgoth in Dor-lómin, Quarantine Thread

[Rikae]

Okay, so, I mentioned a couple days ago (for the latecomers, it was #265 in this thread) how Boro was interacting with G55 on day 1.

Okay, maybe I wasn't completely explicit about that because of an annoying insect buzzing in my ear at the time, but yeah. First Boro talks some nonsense prominently featuring the words "in-character" and "unconscious" and "nightmares" (translation: "hey, I'm not the seer but I play one on TV"?) and then mentions waiting for someone to cough.

Originally Posted by Boro

I'm surprised no one's coughed yet? I was waiting for the first person to cough. Not that coughing is a sure sign, if I cough it's my seasonal allergies. I will take an oath if I do cough, I will make sure I'm all clear and cough into my elbow. I was hoping someone would cough right out into the open, but that was too optimistic.

So yeah, you could, if you were a cobbler, read that as "wolftower calling major cobbler". And G55 responded with a fit of very conspicuous coughing.

(Seriously, I an never going to skim over Day 1 banter again)

Then she asks him:

Originally Posted by Cobbler55

Should we test you for viral encephalopathy?

and he replies

Originally Posted by Boro

I might need such a test. Whether we're aware, or in the unconscious, we all remain in-character. Agreed? And what do you glean from my in-character? Am I aware I'm doing it or is it in the unconscious? Leave that thought there for a moment.

Later, he mentions that cobblers are most useful when they sacrifice themselves and G55 instantly starts attacking me in a very attention-grabbing way. So, whatever he actually is, she certainly seemed convinced.

When I read all this a few days ago I interpreted it as a good Boro reeling in the cobbler but you can also read it straightforwardly, as a wolf making contact with a cobbler. And also note that Boro acted disappointed by the QT vote on day 2 ("not what I expected or hoped to see") which makes no sense whatsoever from an innocent Boro.

Not saying I'm convinced he's a wolf, but given the points in my last post I can see how he could be. Also, Eönwë's comment toDay about people who questioned Boro's seerishness getting night killed ... it was a good point. It also felt (like a lot of what Eönwë says, actually) like wolf-logic. I mean, yes, yes, you have to think like a wolf to catch wolves, I know, Mac, but thinking like a wolf is easiest and most natural to, you know, wolves, and a wolf-Eönwë sacrificing Boro as planned could very well point out (a select portion of) actual wolf strategy in the process.

{could even be a sample of genuine wolf strategy without a Boro wolf - if they knew Boro was not the seer because he was blatantly wrong about something. they could still have tried to pick up on seer reactions to him)

Now, voting for either Boro or Eönwë toDay feels way too risky to me at this point. Eönwë was also the counter-wagon to Lhuna, and if anyone is acting like a seer who dreamed wolf-Boro toDay, it would be him. One or both is a wolf, one or both could be the seer, either could be on the chopping block toDay and I don't like it.

Let's vote for Kath. Inzil's revenge!

[Lhunardawen]

++Brinniel is still an option. It always has been.

[Lalaith]

So many of the Lost Play players are here - it feels like we've put the band back together again!
I went back and skim-read the game - I'd forgotten about that hideous last day with the coin toss - Rikae, Nogs and me...

Anyway, Zil, have you seen Lommy's analysis of you? Do you think it's a fair appraisal and that it is highlighting everything that's relevant? I ask because I went over mine wondering if she was skimming over/omitting anything interesting and I couldn't find much, which to me kind of points to her innocence.
Wolves usually miss stuff out, particularly when the person being analysed isn't around to point out errors/omissions. (She did mess up her appraisal of me when I was still around and I jumped on it)

[Lalaith]

As I might have mentioned yesterday, I don’t think I am capable of imagining a scenario where Eönwë isn’t a wolf.

Rune is my brother from another mother.

[Lhunardawen]

Did Greenie just say she's on sick leave?

Get her!!!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

I've finally caught up on everything that happened yesterDay and toDay! From now on, if I say someone looks blatantly wolfish, please lay off them as they’re probably innocent.

Horrible excuses. Horrible excuses again throughout the whole post. This brings back my suspicion of Greenie. "Oh XY is so-and-so I don't know..." I think she may be the worst submarine of all submarine Wolves, and perhaps I should really have voted for her and went after her more while I was still alive.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Day 4 was the stand out...it was our most orderly and organized lynch. That was also the first day the QT was in control of the innocents. It suggests, that perhaps the wolves did decide to bus Lhuna, because it had such a completely different feel than Huey's lynch.

Anything to say about it, Lhuna? Did they bus you?

Also thinking - if the WWs thought Boro a Seer already then (but then, why not kill him there and then?), they could have bussed Lhuna for that reason. But... nah. Doesn't sound likely. But they might have had a different reason.

[Lhunardawen]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Anything to say about it, Lhuna? Did they bus you?

Come on Leggie, you'll have to be a lot more subtle than that.

[Lhunardawen]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Anything to say about it, Lhuna? Did they bus you?

But you know what, why not? Wait, let me try to put something together.

[satansaloser2005]

I want to know how on earth Lottie is still alive. I think she's guilty just based on her continued existence.

[Macalaure]

All the different possible scenarios are making my head hurt.

If Boro is a wolf, there are a million possible plans and possible options and I don't even want to start thinking about them.

If Boro is an ordo, as he claims, how did he get the wolves to not kill him with his hints.

If Boro is double-bluffing and he is actually the real seer - then how did he get the wolves not kill him?

Those last two we can examine, though, and if we can deduce that there was no way, then he must be a wolf in turn.

The day he got Lhuna lynched, he surprisingly switched his vote to Eonwe. If Eonwe is a wolf, too, this would've rung every last alarm bell for the pack. Eonwe is either innocent, or the wolves' evidence for Boro not being the seer must've been extremely convincing (or he's one of them). Even if he listed a wolf as a known innocent, as a wolf, I would get pretty doubtful at that point. If we spare Boro, we should spare Eonwe as well.

The only possibility I see for non-wolf-Boro to survive is that he put an innocent as a prime suspect or a wolf as a known-to-him innocent. Considering that a seer still has to suspect people even if they're out of dreamt-of wolves, the former is not 100% safe and the wolves may second-guess it. Listing a wolf as a known innocent though, that might make the wolves go har har, he's bluffing.

This keeps bringing me back to Lommy and Brinn. (What do you think, baddies - want to vote for Brinniel again toDay? Oh, you know you want to )

Whether Boro is the real seer or an ordo, this reasoning goes the same way, except as the real seer he knew what he was doing whereas as an ordo he'd have to do it with a good amount of risky guesswork.

Here's one thing: in a regular game, the seer can't list a wolf as a known innocent. If the seer dies at night without being able to reverse that statement, he leaves the village with a wolf as a quasi-known innocent, which is a very, very terrible idea. In this game, a dead seer can feed the village their dreams via the QT vote, so it's actually doable.

[satansaloser2005]

Back from my nap/lunch break.

[satansaloser2005]

I like the Steve/Brinn/Lommy pack thought. It seems almost too easy though, so I feel like one of those names is wrong just because of how each of those three is playing.