Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXIV – The Evil Breath of Morgoth in Dor-lómin, Quarantine Thread

[Lhunardawen]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Well, so! What do y'all think of the situation?

Dire. Dire, I say. There will not be enough room for us all ere this is over. Perhaps Brethil has a hall or tent among its trees that we can use as another quarantine shed?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Lommy

The QT can whack my head for saying "we should coordinate something with the qt" repeatedly, yet taking no initiative on that.

I think it's clear that the Cuties will have to take the initiative on coordinating. I suggest letting the living know who you trust most by voting for your most innocent take.

hS

[Lalaith]

Well thank you Nog for making this Hall so comfortable and cosy, (and indeed for modding this game so superbly) and thank you all for providing me with such amusing reading matter!
When I said I was surprised to be QTed I meant it. By the end of YesterDay I thought Boro was the Seer and was fully expecting the wolves to think so too, and that he would be the one to wake up in the halls of Hurin.
Then I come here and find that Mac had cleverly come to this conclusion long before and hence the QT vote for Lhuna.
So, toDay I was going to suggest that we followed Boro's lead and go for Eonwe. But now I am confused by his latest post. What do you all think?

Also FWIW I think the innocent child is Lottie.

[Lhunardawen]

Come now, Innocuties, let us know how you're planning to vote. I don't have all Day.

(Local time check: 9:07 PM)

[Lalaith]

Btw to explain my own thinking (it's quite fun to see it being analysed over on the GT!)
I said at one point that I think I am better at spotting innocents than wolves. This is quite true, and its one of the reasons I get flustered by lynches - I am never sure if we have the right person. WHen in doubt, I look at what the people I've identified as trustworthy are doing. This strategy seems to have worked a bit too well in this game (I mean that it seems to have got me killed. Of course I'm pleased that I helped to kill both the wolves - with apologies to the present company )

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

(Of course I'm pleased that I helped to kill both the wolves - with apologies to the present company )

I'm just having a little lie down!

hS

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Btw to explain my own thinking (it's quite fun to see it being analysed over on the GT!)

It's been great fun watching people debate the deep inner meaning of my votes as part of some grand strategy. Ha!

hS

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

So, toDay I was going to suggest that we followed Boro's lead and go for Eonwe. But now I am confused by his latest post. What do you all think?

Along the same lines. I have been thinking absolutely innocentish about Rune, but it may have clouded my judgment, and it's true he did not stand out at all. Question being what is Boro really saying here. If Boro-seer (?) dreamed of anyone, I could imagine him going after submarines.

Then there are many other conspiracy theories one could throw forward. I think the WWs may distance themselves from each other nowadays a bit more and tiptoe. Problem is that in a village this size, we're also reaching the point where everyone would have suspected everyone at some point in the game - and that makes stuff much less clear.

That also makes current posts much more important, but the village is posting a bit too much and a bit too little for my taste at the same time. Too much often to have to read through very long posts, but too little because there isn't really much of a constructive discussion happening.

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Also FWIW I think the innocent child is Lottie.

Nothing against that possibility, I think. I suspected her heavily at one point, but to be fair, it stopped later because of something I considered rather clear, sadly I don't recall half of what I thought back then.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Also what do you think Boro is saying here? Is he simply saying "I want to vote Rune", or is there some more-layered message in there?

I also like it how on Day 1, everyone was "Legate, what kind of nonsense are you talking about here! What pre-votes! It doesn't make any sense!"

And toDay (while I had given up on that idea ages ago) everyone and their dog seems to be doing it...

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

And toDay (while I had given up on that idea ages ago) everyone and their dog seems to be doing it...

Seriously. Though I think part of their issue with your suggestion was a lot of people thought you meant there would be a fake vote and no real vote. *shrug*
I dunno. I'm trying to skim through everything. I forgot Day started.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Kitanna

Seriously. Though I think part of their issue with your suggestion was a lot of people thought you meant there would be a fake vote and no real vote. *shrug*
I dunno. I'm trying to skim through everything. I forgot Day started.

Absolutely could be. But even those who got it weren't very enthusiastic (apart from a few exceptions).
But let us know once you've caught up

For the record, since it seems to be a thing, "fake votes" toDay thus far:

Boro->Rune
Lommy->Eönwë (with THE Ka and Zil as B-options)
Greenie->Zil (with "THE Ka a strong runner up. I wouldn't actively mind Eonwe, Shasta, Brinn or Kath either.)*
Zil->Brinn
Rune->Zil (secondary being Brinn and Eönwë)


*This is what she has been doing the entire game!!!!! "I could vote for X, but also for Y,Z,A,B...up to W, actually". I seriously can't.)

This tells me that Zil could be lynched toDay without our involvement. If Rune is a Wolf, then it seems like he might be operating with the assumption that it would be a bandwagon to jump on.

Good thing about these votes is that now people can perceive how their voting changes based on what happened if they are forced to pick someone else from their options. (Which was the point of why I was originally arguing for doing that.)

[Rikae]

I definitely think Boro would like us to vote for Rune. Meanwhile he seems to be backing off Steve and though he puts Inzil down as suspicious he leaves him alone for now ... well, if I were a seer trying to find wolves by process of elimination I'd go after the quiet ones first too.

Two other possibilities, Boro is a very insightful ordo or a wolf, but we could trust the real seer to have checked him by now. Although I do feel like he's getting Rune by process of elimination, and not a direct dream, and I kinda hate to vote for someone who's looked very innocent to me all along (Rune, if you're a wolf, excellent work just creating a vague warm fuzzy aura around yourself) but ... yeah, I think it's best to vote for Rune and continue this game with Boro.

A couple other things of note:
- now Rune is buttering Greenie up. Mmm, buttered Mac n' Green! Why is he doing that?

- Why is Pitch questioning Boro so pointedly out in the open like that? There are a few explanations and I don't like any of them.

[Rikae]

Also, if Mac is right about Lommy and Brinn, then Shasta's psychic abilities are conspicuously absent - except when it comes to me and G55. It might not be fair, but after seeing him in action in many a game, this makes me suspicious of Shasta.

[Macalaure]

I don't necessarily feel like Boro dreamed of Rune either. He might be out of known wolves and just gave us his main unknown suspect.

Nobody else among the living is going for him either, so we would again make Boro stick out somewhat if we go for Rune, with our chances of hitting a wolf possibly being only so-so.

After being suspicious of Loslote yesterDay, he has backed off of her toDay, in #1073 even complimenting a point of hers. Did he dream of her and, to his own surprise, found her innocent?

We had a considerable amount of influence on the voting yesterDay, and with the wolves aware of that, I daresay they are not going to put any wolf-on-wolf stuff into their plusminuses.

Boro for Rune
Lommy for Eonwe, Ka, or Inzil
Greenie for Inzil
Inzil for Brinn
Rune for Inzil

We should trust Boro's suspicion at least so far as to not follow Rune's suggestion. I'm suspicious of Greenie in addition, so I really don't want to go for Inzil toDay.

Following Boro we can trust Lommy, so if we want to avoid picking Rune, then Eonwe or THE Ka could be options for us. The point Boro picked up from Loslote was against Ka, while he's backed off of Eonwe. We would take the focus off him until we get a clearer message, while still providing a meaningful vote.

I hope Boro gets to tell us about his close looks at Ka, Kath, and Greenie before we have to vote.

So what do you guys think about a vote for THE Ka at the moment?

[Lalaith]

So what do you guys think about a vote for THE Ka at the moment?

Possibly. Why her rather than Eonwe?

[Rikae]

THE Ka was the first to follow our vote yesterday, and her reasons looked manufactured. I think she spotted Boro's seerishness and followed his lead. I'm definitely not voting for her.

In fact I really think any vote aside from Rune is likely to backfire badly. We have more power scheming with a seer or even faux-seer than we do just voting like an extra village whose votes carry less weight (*shakes fist at electoral college*).

Let's not outsmart ourselves here. Boro knows he's going to attract attention. Suggesting we vote Rune could even *be* his cover: Rune isn't that likely to be lynched as it stands.

[Rikae]

After all, if the wolves think we erroneously think he's the seer, they'll likely want to keep him around.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Let's not outsmart ourselves here. Boro knows he's going to attract attention. Suggesting we vote Rune could even *be* his cover: Rune isn't that likely to be lynched as it stands.

Actually very clever points overall. Yeah... I think I could go with that.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Rikae

THE Ka was the first to follow our vote yesterday, and her reasons looked manufactured. I think she spotted Boro's seerishness and followed his lead. I'm definitely not voting for her.

Point taken.

And I also see the point that picking anybody else at this point is just as much a shot in the dark as a living vote is.

But there's also a wicked part of me that feels like messing with Boro.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I'm mostly on the boat with what y'all said here. I have been also thinking about Ka. She's kinda in a similar boat where Lhuna was for me. I just hope that with our luck, she isn't the Child or something.

I have been suspicious of Steve since forever, but he could be of course something else. And Shasta has been a horrible submarine of the worst kind. Still, the main problem with all three of these (the middle one maybe the most) is that I have very little actual suspicious points, or, there's a lot that could be either-or.

But I'm up for any of them. Or even following Boro's idea. But the question whether it wouldn't pull too much attention to him is valid. I'm still surprise tho that it hasn't already. So who knows.

(Been thinking otherwise - if there's some terrifying conspiracy and Boro is still a Wolf who bussed Lhuna to make himself live forever, obviously there would come a moment when the real Seer wouldn't let it stand, plus, it's still a long way till the numbers in the village are in such balance that it would be a problem.)

EDIT: X-ed with Rik