Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXIV – The Evil Breath of Morgoth in Dor-lómin, game thread

[Lhunardawen]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Anyway, I move we leave Kit alone for now. Let's see how long the wolves can afford to let a Ranger live.

My thinking was more along the lines of she might either know who the Ranger is, or be unable to commit suicide at Night. But I agree with moving on for now.

[Pitchwife]

I re-read some people's posts during the Night, starting with Zil.
Early on he engaged in some discussion of the QT and the fake vote proposal, which he argued against.

#54 Replied to Mac's suggestion that Legate could be the cobbler with the much over-analyzed "Hmm. Perhaps." [Writing this down now, it would actually be funny if Mac and Zil were wolves together!]
#82 Goes on to discuss the pros and cons of looking for the cobbler. Disagrees with G55 about Lommy and Ka. Wavering whether Legate or G55 made him more uneasy.
#86 Suspicion seems to shift to G55 who put out the fake vote idea but 'left it looking like Legate's ball'.
#102 Not suspecting me, that in itself alarming.
#205 Boro was creeping him out, but that has lessened. G55 his main suspicion. Wonders about the G55/Rikae altercation. Questions Brinn about her fear of 'walking into a trap' re her suspicion of G55 and me.
#222/227 Disapproves of Urwen's vote, but would a wolf be so careless?
#228 Doesn't like the feel of the Brinnwagon (which had only two wheels at the time, as Rikae pointed out)
#241 Votes G55; her death could say a lot about Legate Pitch & Rikae
#265/273 reactions to G55's fake reveal


Mostly this reads like usual Zil - laid back, watching, weighing things and being mostly unscrutable. Got to say though, I could totally see him as a wolf deciding to leave Legate alone and go for G55 instead after Mac (and Lommy before, let's not forget that) suggested that Legate might be the cobbler (except they got it wrong).


Also, IF Kit is the genuine ranger and the wolves left her alive in order to frame her (and because they prioritised possibly-seerish Rikae), they would want to make sure to bring the topic up, right? So I think my eyebrow actually stands.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Also, IF Kit is the genuine ranger and the wolves left her alive in order to frame her (and because they prioritised possibly-seerish Rikae), they would want to make sure to bring the topic up, right? So I think my eyebrow actually stands.

Also, if Kit is NOT the Ranger and the wolves decided to sacrifice her in order to draw out the real Ranger, I would implore the real Ranger to NOT come out just to expose her. I agree that I am hugely suspicious of Zil and, to a lesser degree, Lhuna and Pitch for continuing to talk about it. Drawing attention to it doesn't help the village at all.

Longer post to follow, just thought that should be said.

[Lhunardawen]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Also, if Kit is NOT the Ranger and the wolves decided to sacrifice her in order to draw out the real Ranger, I would implore the real Ranger to NOT come out just to expose her. I agree that I am hugely suspicious of Zil and, to a lesser degree, Lhuna and Pitch for continuing to talk about it. Drawing attention to it doesn't help the village at all.

Longer post to follow, just thought that should be said.

No one's asking the real Ranger to come out, and frankly I doubt it needs to be said.

[Eönwë]

Now that the Ranger discussion has been brought out into the public, I have to say that this post makes me feel better about Shasta:

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I think perhaps Kitanna is my best read at the moment. I had fundamentally the same reaction to G55's eleventh-hour Ranger claim as she did.

I know last time I said that it is possible that they are both wolves being cheeky, but it does seem more likely that he was, at least in that instance, trying to bury this discussion by pointing to Kit's post as something anyone might say. Again, it is possible that they are being very bold wolves, but generally, it seems risky to attach so closely to another wolf especially when you've voted in the same way. So whoever Shasta thinks the Ranger is, I think he is trying to protect them here by trying to suppress this discussion that has just been blown open (luckily not enough for any reveals to occur). Thus doesn't necessarily say anything about Kit's role, or even what Shasta thinks about Kit's role - whether he believes/believed that she is a gifted, ordo, or wolf, discussion of the Ranger is dangerous for the real Ranger.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Now that the Ranger discussion has been brought out into the public, I have to say that this post makes me feel better about Shasta:

I know last time I said that it is possible that they are both wolves being cheeky, but it does seem more likely that he was, at least in that instance, trying to bury this discussion by pointing to Kit's post as something anyone might say. Again, it is possible that they are being very bold wolves, but generally, it seems risky to attach so closely to another wolf especially when you've voted in the same way. So whoever Shasta thinks the Ranger is, I think he is trying to protect them here by trying to suppress this discussion that has just been blown open (luckily not enough for any reveals to occur). Thus doesn't necessarily say anything about Kit's role, or even what Shasta thinks about Kit's role - whether he believes/believed that she is a gifted, ordo, or wolf, discussion of the Ranger is dangerous for the real Ranger.

I agree with this. Shasta definitely handled the situation in the best possible way for an innocent, and I don't really see the benefit if he's a wolf. Makes me feel much better about Shasta.

[Eönwë]

Seems fine for now (won't vote unless something changes)

Shastanis Althreduin - As said above, seems innocent or a VERY bold wolf.

Satansaloser2005 - Haven't seen much of her, but what I have doesn't seem suspicious.

THE Ka - She seemed good yesterDay, and hasn't done much to change that.

Huinesoron - Nothing pinging any alarm bells so far. Lots of well-thought-out posts.

Lalaith - Not enough to go on, but nothing seems bad yet.

Lhunardawen - Making good points, seems to generally be on the side of the village.

A Little Green - Seems fine so far.




Wary of (Probably wouldn't vote unless something changes)

Rune Son of Bjarne - Maybe his suspicions and self-proclaimed bias against me have me watch him more carefully/too closely, but I don't suspect him enough to vote for him.

Kath - Something about her recent posts have given me wolfy vibes, so I'm watching her closely.



Dangerous (Could vote, but not my first choice)
Kitanna - Not sure what to think of her now, but I haven't taken her off the hook completely.

Legate of Amon Lanc
Pitchwife
Brinniel
Macalaure
Inziladun


Alarm bells (Would vote)

Thinlómien - She's seemed more possibly wolfy to me toDay. One thing is that she seems to have backed off from Boro without much warning - maybe afraid that a manufactured Boro suspicion was gaining too much traction?

Boromir88 - I don't like his list ignoring non Brinn/G55 voters, or in fact that post as whole - it exonerates him a lot by implication - he's not on the list, and he says that the first vote for someone is innocent (which he did, but isn't available on the list). Also, see Lommy.



To look into (No idea)
Loslote - She hasn't set off any alarm bells yet for me, but I've seen her mentioned as suspicious quite a bit. Boro suspects her for her vote yesterDay (#324), and Lommy thinks she's 'looking at things from a very wolfy pov' (#387). Whether this is real or manufactured suspicion remains to be seen, and I'm going to have to reread her posts to see if I agree.




Note: sorry, I have very limited time again toDay, and hopefully will be able to post more later. I have to leave right now. Unfortunately, this means I have to leave those last few names in the Dangerous section uncommented - some might get upgraded to the Alarm Bells category when I get a chance to look at them more deeply, but I didn't want to put them there without further reflection.



edit: x-ed since Lottie's #404

[Pitchwife]

Legate, I quite agree (hence my initial eyebrow at Zil), but we'd already arrived at most of the points you make at the end of the discussion, so isn't it a bit convenient to make yourself look good by this holier-than-thou sermon?

[satansaloser2005]

In no real order....

Mac seems too paranoid to be true.
Steve's vote seems more suspect the more I think about it.
Brinn gives me no read, which is worrisome, and therefore a bit suspicious.
Lottie is acting quite strangely, and engages in topics I think an innocent Pop would normally avoid.
Urwen no longer matters, so I'm not going to bother reading through her posts right now.


x'd since Pitch because I've been busy