Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXIV – The Evil Breath of Morgoth in Dor-lómin, game thread

[Pitchwife]

So I'm kind of alive after staying up way too long last night and have read most of what has transpired in the meantime, trying to take notes at first but gave up on that because of Achilles & the turtle (the size of this village is insane).


Why did I pressure Legate rather than G55 re the fake votes? The difference between

1) G55 throwing out an idea to stir up a discussion, and

2) Legate picking it up and going "Oh yes that's a good idea let's totally do that!", when I thought it was a) not helpful and b) needlessly overcomplicating things. But my last note on him, on his reply to G55 in #44, was 'actually sensible?'



Speaking of overcomplicating things, where did this whole idea of waiting for guidance from the QT come from? And why would we 'always have to second-guess' the QT vote, as G55 said in #56? Unless there's a quarantined Seer AND the majority of the Cuties are innocent, the QT vote is just another vote that may be rght or wrong or misguided or driven by evil intentions like everybody else's. No way for us to know.

[Pitchwife]

Mac, really? You find it odd how I pinned the no-vote stuff on Legate, when earlier you yourself found it just as odd how enthusiastic he was about it? Now that I find odd! *ping*

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Mac, really? You find it odd how I pinned the no-vote stuff on Legate, when earlier you yourself found it just as odd how enthusiastic he was about it? Now that I find odd! *ping*

Stop... pinging people!

Actually though, I went to reread your post, and I think I see where you're coming from, so never mind that.

You do seem tense though...

Originally Posted by Kitanna

In the whole Legate, G55, and Pitch discussion I'd wager there's a wolf hidden, setting up two innocents to take the bait. Yet each time I read back, I switch who I think is most likely the wolf.

I don't like this kind of argument. It always feels to me like a wolf seeing a group of innoncents bashing each other and then going "One of them is a wolf!".

I know I'm guilty of contributing to it, but I think we're focusing on this whole LGP stuff too much now.


And why are people scared of me?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

I don't like this kind of argument. It always feels to me like a wolf seeing a group of innoncents bashing each other and then going "One of them is a wolf!".

I know I'm guilty of contributing to it, but I think we're focusing on this whole LGP stuff too much now.

Now this is interesting. I don't think I agree with the first paragraph - I still think there's something suspect going on in the LGP matrix - but as far as I can see, Mac is the main other person with multiple people throwing significant suspicion at them. I can't see a wolf in that position trying to divert attention from the only people diverting attention from them.

... unless that's the point? I dunno; I'd like to hear from some of the people who think Macalaure is dodgy, see how this post affects their thinking. (I would also still like to see more out of G55, and am I wrong, or did Lommy pop up after I said I was suspicious of her, then vanish again as soon as I said that had eased a bit?)

hS (crossed with Boro & Loslote)

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Now this is interesting. I don't think I agree with the first paragraph - I still think there's something suspect going on in the LGP matrix - but as far as I can see, Mac is the main other person with multiple people throwing significant suspicion at them. I can't see a wolf in that position trying to divert attention from the only people diverting attention from them.

I find myself agreeing with Huin pretty frequently. I like his point here about Mac - I didn't pick up on the vibe about Mac that other people did to begin with, though.

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Now this is interesting. I don't think I agree with the first paragraph - I still think there's something suspect going on in the LGP matrix - but as far as I can see, Mac is the main other person with multiple people throwing significant suspicion at them. I can't see a wolf in that position trying to divert attention from the only people diverting attention from them.

I don't think I've seen that many people suspecting Mac to a significant amount (Rikae, of course, myself a bit, who else?), more like saying he's creepy & scary no matter what. Anyway, it's always good for a wolf pack not to get all entangled in the same skirmish but spread themselves out in several combat zones, so to speak.

[Pitchwife]

Right, I've got to run some errands now (properly masked, to be sure!). See you all later.

[Kath]

Originally Posted by Hui

Now this is interesting. I don't think I agree with the first paragraph - I still think there's something suspect going on in the LGP matrix - but as far as I can see, Mac is the main other person with multiple people throwing significant suspicion at them. I can't see a wolf in that position trying to divert attention from the only people diverting attention from them.

Do you mean that Mac is unlikely to be a wolf because if he was, it would be silly to stop people focusing on Legate-Pitch-G55 and draw suspicion onto himself? Also, is Mac that heavily suspected? It seemed more like Legate and G55 were after the discussion pretty much tailed off.

Originally Posted by Pitch

I don't think I've seen that many people suspecting Mac to a significant amount (Rikae, of course, myself a bit, who else?), more like saying he's creepy & scary no matter what. Anyway, it's always good for a wolf pack not to get all entangled in the same skirmish but spread themselves out in several combat zones, so to speak.

Ah, which I think kind of answers my question. Was it just things like Boro saying he often suspected Inzil and is always wary of Mac? I hadn't really considered those kind of mentions as proper suspicions but maybe I was just assuming that.

[A Little Green]

This is hopeless! Every time I finish reading and click refresh before starting to write my post, there’s like 10 new posts to read I'll be back with something more substantial soon, but just to recap first -

Looks like since I was last here, first Huinesoron and Kath (and later Inzil, Kitanna and others) make a fair point about how the fake-vote plan got pinned on Legate while its originator, Gal55, distances herself from it quite quickly. The main people implicated by this (aside from Gal herself) are considered to be Pitch, Boro and Mac, though it’s quite likely at least some of them just started discussing it as Legate’s plan because others already were. Pitch then explains that he focused on Legate because he read it as Gal throwing a random idea around and Legate latching on to it and making it into an actual plan. This seems legit enough. (Not sorry. ) Additionally, Mac gets suspected by Rikae for trigger-happily suspecting Legate when he actually just says Legate is a possible cobbler, and later Legate calls him fishy for “subtly pointing fingers while not accusing straightforwardly” – barely halfway through Day 1. Meanwhile, Boro seems unusually chirpy, Lhuna casts a kamikaze vote and Lommy has progressed to meta-flipflopping.

Whoever said Day 1s are uneventful should have a look at this one.

Edit: x-ed with Rikae, Pitch and Kath

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Why did I pressure Legate rather than G55 re the fake votes? The difference between

1) G55 throwing out an idea to stir up a discussion, and

2) Legate picking it up and going "Oh yes that's a good idea let's totally do that!", when I thought it was a) not helpful and b) needlessly overcomplicating things. But my last note on him, on his reply to G55 in #44, was 'actually sensible?'

I find myself not suspecting you, and that in itself ought to raise alarm bells.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Speaking of overcomplicating things, where did this whole idea of waiting for guidance from the QT come from? And why would we 'always have to second-guess' the QT vote, as G55 said in #56? Unless there's a quarantined Seer AND the majority of the Cuties are innocent, the QT vote is just another vote that may be rght or wrong or misguided or driven by evil intentions like everybody else's. No way for us to know.

As I and others have said. If the majority in the QT are known innocents, we know they won't intentionally avoid going for a baddie, but that's all.

x/d with Pitch and Boro