Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXIV – The Evil Breath of Morgoth in Dor-lómin, discussion thread

[A Little Green]

Late to the party, but count me in! Also can I say that I love the abbreviation QT as it makes the dead thread sound very cute

[Boromir88]

Yes....let's do it

Thanks Nog!

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Late to the party, but count me in! Also can I say that I love the abbreviation QT as it makes the dead thread sound very cute

I like that much better than my first association...

[Lhunardawen]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

I like that much better than my first association...

Argh, you beat me to this. Also made me wonder if the Evil Breath causes death by cardiac dysrhythmia. (Hush, no bad words on the Downs!)

Originally Posted by Nogrod

One more question about that QT-vote came to mind from your comments. Should it actually be just one hour before the DL they have to vote? In a normal game the action tends to pack into the last hour of the Day - or the last 1½ hours - if the Deadline is good for most people. I wouldn't want to leave it to the very end but would like to leave the Villagers some time to mull the QT vote over before the DL. On the other hand, the later the QT can follow the things folding out the more reasoned choices they can made - and the more fulfilling the game is for them.

Personally won't matter to me; I'll still be voting way before any of the quarantined or uninfected/suspected/probable cases. But if the Living are going to wait for the QT vote I suppose two hours would be better to leave them more than enough time to factor it in? It's bad enough that some people leave out their votes until right before the Day ends without the QT vote adding to the last-minute frenzy.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

The only thing I'm thinking about are the Wolves. Especially given that they are going to be vastly outnumbered by (this time known!) innocents, allowing them to PM (with only other quarantined Wolves, of course) might alleviate the ostracisation-feeling. Then again, it isn't such a big difference, plus if the first Wolf is quarantined alone for a long time, it won't change a thing. Most of all, it would be a narrative problem, how to explain that quarantined people still communicate. Unless you made it so that those awful people are breaking quarantine even inside the quarantine house and meeting with each other when other quarantined ones are sleeping. (Actually, that would be a reasonable narrative explanation... But whichever. Not being able to talk otherwise could give the Wolves an incentive to participate on the QT more actively.)

I like the idea of quarantined wolves being able to PM each other. I don't think it tips the balance too much over to the dark side since their ability to converse doesn't necessarily translate to being able to manipulate the rest of the quarantined, but it would be interesting to see what havoc they can wreak together nonetheless.

I'M STILL A RELUCTANT BADDIE, just so we're clear. But this makes for an interesting story.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

But what about the most junior "dead" being the tie-breaker? This way it would change every Day, and possibly cause more chaos because the tie-breakers would have fresh grudges from the living thread in their minds. Of course, here the problem is that two people die for every lynch (the lynch and the night kill), so not everyone would get a go as the tie-breaker anyway. But I would give the tie-breaker role always to the previous lynchee - if it's the night kill, it cannot be a wolf (which is a little boring), and furthermore it might make sense storywise (the strongest in the qurantine is the one who was quarantined the last without showing any symptoms).

I agree with this (especially the last point haha). It might get boring if it's always the same person who gets to break a tie, not to mention maybe a bit lopsided if the senior quarantined is a wolf. How often do ties occur in the dead thread in the past, anyhow?

Originally Posted by Nogrod

What do you think of tiebreaking among the living / healthy? It has traditionally been either the first to get the votes (basically the "original suspect") or the last one (basically the one who's "under heat" just before the decision"). They have a bit different effect on the game mechanics depending on the situation and I'm quite open to either one. I'd rather not randomize it (will do it, if you insist it being the best way to do it).

I vote for the last one to get to the tie. Agreed, the last-minute frenzy can indeed be telling. I guess this might also better allow the QT vote to be factored into the final count, like for example if it happens that a lot of votes come in before the QT vote is revealed.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

But yes, I'm quite okay with a larger game as well - and am not exactly pushing for added roles (just add more "wolves" if there are more Villagers), but probably the Cobbler.

Possibly unpopular opinion: Could we not have a Cobbler? Not just because I still have a grudge against the role (grumble grumble Estel in Werewolf VII grumble grumble), but also there might be so much to consider already for a supposedly simple comeback game. Or maybe it's just me and my nearly decade-long Werewolf-deprived brain.

Originally Posted by Macalaure

-I'd prefer it if the quarantine vote is only revealed during the death narration. It wouldn't be much fun if a day's play just comes down to waiting to learn who the dead chose and then bandwaggon on that. And you know that's what's going to happen once a gifted is dead.

Hm. Excellent point. I vote for this.

++LHUNARDAWEN for flip-flopping

Originally Posted by Macalaure

-And if the QT lot essentially counts as one villager, can the living lynch the dead thread as a whole, too?

Can we do this? Please? Please?

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Lhunardawen

Argh, you beat me to this. Also made me wonder if the Evil Breath causes death by cardiac dysrhythmia. (Hush, no bad words on the Downs!)

It's ok. We know the counter-curses: defibrillators, epinephrine, amiodarone, mag sulphate, and a performance of the ritual chest compression dance.

Originally Posted by Lhunardawen

Can we do this? Please? Please?

Oh, but you know who's gonna get the Day 1 votes if we allow that...


I am having a bit too much fun, and the game hasn't even started!

[Lhunardawen]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

It's ok. We know the counter-curses: defibrillators, epinephrine, amiodarone, mag sulphate, and a performance of the ritual chest compression dance.

To the tune of Stayin' Alive. Or The Imperial March. Whoops, wrong fandom.

Oh, but you know who's gonna get the Day 1 votes if we allow that...

Does this mean we can lynch the Mod God?


Sorry, chat skwerlz. Happy Deathday, Barrow-Downs!

[Nogrod]

Great to see you Macalaure!

And oh yes, sorry Lhuna, I forgot your seriously disadvantaged position in the global map when thinking of timing things with mostly European / North American crowd. Even if you're probably quite used to it already, it's sad still.

Originally Posted by Macalaure

I'd prefer it if the quarantine vote is only revealed during the death narration. It wouldn't be much fun if a day's play just comes down to waiting to learn who the dead chose and then bandwaggon on that. And you know that's what's going to happen once a gifted is dead.

Ok. This could actually be a problem. Thanks for pointing it out Mac.

If the Seer dies late in the game and has not managed to reveal anything - or has left just some hints about her dreams, then there surely is a possibility of that problem. Although, if she doesn't have a wolf / wolves on her list, then it's not that a big one - and anyway, the wolves cold use the situation to their advantage (the seer has no "known wolf" and the QT votes for an innocent - the wolves leap on that: "let's follow the Seer!"). Hmm... let's think about that as well.


I'm all for the quarantined wolves being able to PM each other (by Night), but not to the living ones.

Also I think two hours before the DL might b better time for the QT-vote - unless 2-3PM - is too early for many Americans.

Let me hear your thoughts on the cobbler-role. We can include or not, just as the majority wishes.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

If the Seer dies late in the game and has not managed to reveal anything - or has left just some hints about her dreams, then there surely is a possibility of that problem. Although, if she doesn't have a wolf / wolves on her list, then it's not that a big one - and anyway, the wolves cold use the situation to their advantage (the seer has no "known wolf" and the QT votes for an innocent - the wolves leap on that: "let's follow the Seer!"). Hmm... let's think about that as well.

Isn't that just classic WW shenanigans?

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Also I think two hours before the DL might b better time for the QT-vote - unless 2-3PM - is too early for many Americans.

No more problematic that the DL itself.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Let me hear your thoughts on the cobbler-role. We can include or not, just as the majority wishes.

My experience has been that it's tremendous fun to be a Cobbler, and notably annoying for the Village who must deal with xem. If Wolves are three, have one. If an extra Wolf is added, I'm fine either way.

[Thinlómien]

I did tell Nog I'd love to have a cobbler, it's true, but I think it really boils down to just being a handy tool to balance the game, it's like half a wolf.

18 players? I'd say four wolves, no cobbler.

19 players? Four wolves and a cobbler, I'd say.

20 players? I would at least consider five wolves (holy schmuck) in which case absolutely no cobbler! Or else, 20 players with just 4 wolves definitely needs a cobbler.

[Kath]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

If the Seer dies late in the game and has not managed to reveal anything - or has left just some hints about her dreams, then there surely is a possibility of that problem. Although, if she doesn't have a wolf / wolves on her list, then it's not that a big one - and anyway, the wolves cold use the situation to their advantage (the seer has no "known wolf" and the QT votes for an innocent - the wolves leap on that: "let's follow the Seer!"). Hmm... let's think about that as well.

Well, could it be that at the point at which the Seer dies, the QT vote becomes revealed only at the narration but until that point it's revealed 2 hours before the LT deadline.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I'm all for the quarantined wolves being able to PM each other (by Night), but not to the living ones.

Agreed!

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Let me hear your thoughts on the cobbler-role. We can include or not, just as the majority wishes.

I must admit I'm not fussed either way.