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Pervinca Took · 04-11-2020, 02:33 PM

OK, then:

Latinate am I
And one of four.
If Huan had devoured me
He'd have quickly reached death's door?

Urwen · 04-11-2020, 03:21 PM

It's a trick question. Huan can't die, except via Carcharoth.

Pervinca Took · 04-11-2020, 05:13 PM

That's why I used the conditional mood, and a question mark.

Galadriel55 · 04-11-2020, 05:56 PM

First thought was literal poisons - eg Belladonna. But she is not one of four, and I don't remember hobbit family trees enough to thibk of one who is.

What things are in a set of four? Compass points? Farthings? Seasons? It's not a common Tolkien number.

It would have been interesting if bringing to death's door meant to physocally bring Huan to Thangorodrim or the Black Gate, but based on Pervinca's post above this sounds less likely.

Pervinca Took · 04-12-2020, 06:15 AM

You were fairly close with Belladonna.

Urwen · 04-12-2020, 08:10 AM

Spiders?

Pervinca Took · 04-12-2020, 08:13 AM

No.

Urwen · 04-12-2020, 08:36 AM

Found it. Primrose Boffin. She has three siblings and is named after a plant toxic to dogs.

Pervinca Took · 04-12-2020, 09:23 AM

Toxic to dogs is right, and it is a hobbit, but it isn't Primrose Boffin.

3 siblings is right too.

P.S. Besides, the Latin would be Primula! (vulgaris).

Urwen · 04-12-2020, 10:42 AM

Is it yourself, for the same reasons?

Pervinca Took · 04-12-2020, 10:55 AM

Pervinca is Latin, means dogsbane, and has 3 siblings.

Yes.

Urwen · 04-12-2020, 11:30 AM

Well, here is a cheeky one:

Three fathers, one mother
That's who I had
I also had a brother
Who is now dead

Daughter of mine
She stayed around
With remnant of line
In the past lost, now found.

Huinesoron · 04-13-2020, 01:28 PM

Okay, so... being a cheeky one, I guess the answer is not Elrond (the extra fathers being Maedhros and Maglor)?

How about Numenor itself? It came out of the three Houses of the Edain, so could be said to have three fathers (of the fathers of Men). And its daughter is Gondor, which hung around and eventually met up with Aragorn?

Or, indeed, are you Gondor - your brother being Arnor, your fathers being... Elendil, Isildur, and Anarion?

hS

Urwen · 04-13-2020, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Okay, so... being a cheeky one, I guess the answer is not Elrond (the extra fathers being Maedhros and Maglor)?
hS

Oh, but it is. The Mr. Grumpypants himself.

Huinesoron · 04-14-2020, 03:19 AM

Water claimed me,
Earth concealed me,
Wind carried me,
Fire consumed me.

hS

Urwen · 04-14-2020, 03:36 AM

Silmarils? One in earth and fire, one in water, one in the sky?

Huinesoron · 04-14-2020, 03:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

Silmarils? One in earth and fire, one in water, one in the sky?

Nope. There is only one answer.

hS

Urwen · 04-14-2020, 03:59 AM

Hmmm.....I get One Ring vibes, and everything fits except the third line...

Huinesoron · 04-14-2020, 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

Hmmm.....I get One Ring vibes, and everything fits except the third line...

It is the One Ring - which was carried eagleback when Bilbo needed rescuing from a bunch of goblins and wargs.

hS

Urwen · 04-14-2020, 07:34 AM

I just had an inspiration

Long ago was I made
To guard the dead
In the great flood
I went down with the world

I housed one
Of his, but with me
He found another
They're together forever

Urwen · 04-20-2020, 04:47 AM

Do you need hints?

Huinesoron · 04-20-2020, 05:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

Do you need hints?

Umm. My first thought was something Numenorean, but I couldn't get it all to fit together.

That said... Tol Morwen? The main issue is that it's specifically not sunken, but other than that it fits: one of Hurin's family was buried there, and he found Morwen at the stone (and didn't freakin' answer her question, which has always bugged me).

hS

Urwen · 04-20-2020, 05:32 AM

Tol Morwen is close, but not quite there.

Huinesoron · 04-20-2020, 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

Tol Morwen is close, but not quite there.

Oh. Ohhh. Is it the Ladybarrow? (Forgive me; Sindarin isn't my strong point.) Finduilas was buried there, which makes 'he' Turin... not sure who he found there, though?

hS

Urwen · 04-20-2020, 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Oh. Ohhh. Is it the Ladybarrow? (Forgive me; Sindarin isn't my strong point.) Finduilas was buried there, which makes 'he' Turin... not sure who he found there, though?

hS

*activates teaching mode* According to the tale, he found Niniel on the grave. *deactivates teaching mode*

You're up.

Huinesoron · 04-21-2020, 08:55 AM

I passed through one rainbow
To stand beside another.

Nice and short!

hS

Urwen · 04-21-2020, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

I passed through one rainbow
To stand beside another.

Nice and short!

hS

Tom Bombadil's jacket?

Huinesoron · 04-21-2020, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

Tom Bombadil's jacket?

Corr-- no, wait, not correct.

hS

Urwen · 04-21-2020, 09:22 AM

Okay, serious answer it is.

Tuor, passed through Rainbow Cleft and he stood beside Egalmoth at some point, probably.

Huinesoron · 04-21-2020, 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

Okay, serious answer it is.

Tuor, passed through Rainbow Cleft and he stood beside Egalmoth at some point, probably.

That's the one. (And believe me, I considered using something from the Heavenly Arch for my password!)

hS

Urwen · 04-21-2020, 09:40 AM

Metal?

Urwen · 04-21-2020, 09:51 AM

Here is another short one

Blue like the sea
Blue like the sky
When you're around me
There's no reason to cry

Huinesoron · 04-21-2020, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

Here is another short one

Blue like the sea
Blue like the sky
When you're around me
There's no reason to cry

Definitely Bombadil's jacket.

hS

Urwen · 04-21-2020, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Definitely Bombadil's jacket.

hS

Ring-a-ding-dillo.

Huinesoron · 04-26-2020, 07:13 AM

Okay, okay okay, let's try this:

What have roots nobody sees,
Far taller than trees,
Up, up, up they glow,
Yet fell long ago.

hS

Galadriel55 · 04-26-2020, 08:31 AM

The Lamps of the Valar? Illuin and... what was the other one? Ormal?

Huinesoron · 04-26-2020, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

The Lamps of the Valar? Illuin and... what was the other one? Ormal?

If I wanted to quibble, I could say no, and hold out for the pillars the Lamps were mounted on. But since they're only named in a very early and weird text, I'll allow this.

(Besides, it was the answer I thought of when I wrote it!)

Over to you.

hS

Galadriel55 · 04-26-2020, 10:18 AM

Thanks! Will have something up shortly.

Galadriel55 · 04-26-2020, 03:17 PM

Happy riddling!

I was born in place up high
Near growth turned to dust, and steel to rust.
And long ahead my road did lie:
I passed the wall, I hid from all.

And many met me on my way:
The one that came by many caves,
The one that washed the grief away,
The one that's dead upon hard bed.

I always yearned towards the sea,
Till in the war I was no more.
But while I was, I lead with me
A helper great who aided fate.

Urwen · 04-26-2020, 05:04 PM

Tuor again?

I was born in place up high - Mountains of Mithrim
Near growth turned to dust, and steel to rust.
And long ahead my road did lie:
I passed the wall, I hid from all. - Found Gondolin and stayed there

And many met me on my way:
The one that came by many caves, - Gelmir or Arminas
The one that washed the grief away, - Ulmo
The one that's dead upon hard bed. - Turin or Turgon

I always yearned towards the sea,
Till in the war I was no more. - Left Beleriand with his wife
But while I was, I lead with me
A helper great who aided fate. - Voronwe

04-11-2020, 02:33 PM	#3641
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	OK, then: Latinate am I And one of four. If Huan had devoured me He'd have quickly reached death's door? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

04-11-2020, 03:21 PM	#3642
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	It's a trick question. Huan can't die, except via Carcharoth. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-11-2020, 05:13 PM	#3643
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	That's why I used the conditional mood, and a question mark. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

04-11-2020, 05:56 PM	#3644
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,517	First thought was literal poisons - eg Belladonna. But she is not one of four, and I don't remember hobbit family trees enough to thibk of one who is. What things are in a set of four? Compass points? Farthings? Seasons? It's not a common Tolkien number. It would have been interesting if bringing to death's door meant to physocally bring Huan to Thangorodrim or the Black Gate, but based on Pervinca's post above this sounds less likely. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

04-12-2020, 06:15 AM	#3645
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	You were fairly close with Belladonna. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

04-12-2020, 08:10 AM	#3646
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Spiders? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-12-2020, 08:13 AM	#3647
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	No. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

04-12-2020, 08:36 AM	#3648
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Found it. Primrose Boffin. She has three siblings and is named after a plant toxic to dogs. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-12-2020, 09:23 AM	#3649
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Toxic to dogs is right, and it is a hobbit, but it isn't Primrose Boffin. 3 siblings is right too. P.S. Besides, the Latin would be Primula! (vulgaris). __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always." Last edited by Pervinca Took; 04-12-2020 at 09:28 AM.

04-12-2020, 10:42 AM	#3650
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Is it yourself, for the same reasons? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-12-2020, 10:55 AM	#3651
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Pervinca is Latin, means dogsbane, and has 3 siblings. Yes. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

04-12-2020, 11:30 AM	#3652
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Well, here is a cheeky one: Three fathers, one mother That's who I had I also had a brother Who is now dead Daughter of mine She stayed around With remnant of line In the past lost, now found. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-13-2020, 01:28 PM	#3653
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,972	Okay, so... being a cheeky one, I guess the answer is not Elrond (the extra fathers being Maedhros and Maglor)? How about Numenor itself? It came out of the three Houses of the Edain, so could be said to have three fathers (of the fathers of Men). And its daughter is Gondor, which hung around and eventually met up with Aragorn? Or, indeed, are you Gondor - your brother being Arnor, your fathers being... Elendil, Isildur, and Anarion? hS

04-14-2020, 03:19 AM	#3655
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,972	Water claimed me, Earth concealed me, Wind carried me, Fire consumed me. hS

04-14-2020, 03:36 AM	#3656
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Silmarils? One in earth and fire, one in water, one in the sky? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-14-2020, 03:59 AM	#3658
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Hmmm.....I get One Ring vibes, and everything fits except the third line... __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-14-2020, 07:34 AM	#3660
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	I just had an inspiration Long ago was I made To guard the dead In the great flood I went down with the world I housed one Of his, but with me He found another They're together forever __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-20-2020, 04:47 AM	#3661
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Do you need hints? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-20-2020, 05:32 AM	#3663
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Tol Morwen is close, but not quite there. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-21-2020, 08:55 AM	#3666
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,972	I passed through one rainbow To stand beside another. Nice and short! hS

04-21-2020, 09:22 AM	#3669
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Okay, serious answer it is. Tuor, passed through Rainbow Cleft and he stood beside Egalmoth at some point, probably. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia. Last edited by Urwen; 04-21-2020 at 09:27 AM.

04-21-2020, 09:40 AM	#3671
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Metal? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-21-2020, 09:51 AM	#3672
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Here is another short one Blue like the sea Blue like the sky When you're around me There's no reason to cry __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-26-2020, 07:13 AM	#3675
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,972	Okay, okay okay, let's try this: What have roots nobody sees, Far taller than trees, Up, up, up they glow, Yet fell long ago. hS

04-26-2020, 08:31 AM	#3676
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,517	The Lamps of the Valar? Illuin and... what was the other one? Ormal? __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

04-26-2020, 10:18 AM	#3678
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,517	Thanks! Will have something up shortly. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

04-26-2020, 03:17 PM	#3679
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,517	Happy riddling! I was born in place up high Near growth turned to dust, and steel to rust. And long ahead my road did lie: I passed the wall, I hid from all. And many met me on my way: The one that came by many caves, The one that washed the grief away, The one that's dead upon hard bed. I always yearned towards the sea, Till in the war I was no more. But while I was, I lead with me A helper great who aided fate. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

04-26-2020, 05:04 PM	#3680
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Tuor again? I was born in place up high - Mountains of Mithrim Near growth turned to dust, and steel to rust. And long ahead my road did lie: I passed the wall, I hid from all. - Found Gondolin and stayed there And many met me on my way: The one that came by many caves, - Gelmir or Arminas The one that washed the grief away, - Ulmo The one that's dead upon hard bed. - Turin or Turgon I always yearned towards the sea, Till in the war I was no more. - Left Beleriand with his wife But while I was, I lead with me A helper great who aided fate. - Voronwe __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

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