Family Tree Trivia

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

And since you mentioned Beren.....

Beren's grandfather's son's grandaughter is who?

First inclination was Rian & Morwen, who I know are Beren's cousins. Looking at the family tree... it seems to be Rian and Morwen.

Wait, though: Beren has two grandfathers, and his other one is named... Beren. So maybe you're sneakily asking about him! His paternal grandfather is Beldir, whose son is Belmir, grandfather of Emeldir Man-hearted. His maternal grandfather is Malach (son of Marach), whose son Magor has... no known granddaughters.

(Steward Beren of Gondor, interestingly has an unnamed grandfather, because his dad inherited the title from his cousin.)

So, three actual Edain for you this time.

hS

[Urwen]

You're on.

[Huinesoron]

Okeydokey, let's try this:

In the first seven generations of the House of Elros (ie, Elros himself and the six generations that followed him - so down to Ancalime's generation):

-How many people's names contain the names of various Valar?
-What is the relationship between the oldest and youngest of these?

hS

[Urwen]

Well....

Vardamir
Manwendil
Aulendil
Oromendil
Nessanie

That would be five. As for relationship, it would be great-great-great grandfather and great-great-great granddaughter.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Well....

Vardamir
Manwendil
Aulendil
Oromendil
Nessanie

That would be five. As for relationship, it would be great-great-great grandfather and great-great-great granddaughter.

I count six, but I admit Vardilme is a borderline case. (I also want to count Cemendur as named after Yavanna Kementari, but that's too much of a stretch.) You're spot on about Vardamir and Nessanie's relationship, so back to you.

(But also, yikes those first few generations were obsessed.)

hS

[Urwen]

All right, something simple.....

Who is Elestirne's husband she grew estranged from?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

All right, something simple.....

Who is Elestirne's husband she grew estranged from?

Okay, first guess is that sounds like it could be a variant of Erendis, which would make the answer Aldarion. (Also, y'know, there's not that many estranged couples in M-e.)

... aaaand it was, but not actually as a variant. I wonder whether there was a bit of the old 'not Angles but angels' joke in there - "Alá Erendis, ono Elestirnë." (As a joke made by a Pope about Old English speakers, this ancient pun falls well within Tolkien's field of expertise, so I may even be right!)

hS