Family Tree Trivia

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

You'll love this one....or not....

Who is Arwen's paternal first cousin thrice removed?

I think she has several, none of whom she lived at the same time as.

Her paternal first cousin is her father's sibling's child - ie, Vardamir Nolimon, titular second King of Numenor. That much I could do without looking at the family tree.

You can't go three generations up from Vardamir (well, you can, but you hit Earendil, who's Arwen's grandad, not her cousin), so you have to go down. Known members of the fifth generation of the House of Elros are:

-Irimion Tar-Meneldur, big fan of stars, not a big fan of his son bickering with his wife.
-Silmarien, unfairly untitled mother of the Lords of Andunie.
-Isilme, the 'and Peggy' of Tar-Elendil's kids.
-Caliondo, grandson of Tar-Amandil, and father of Malantur, Tar-Aldarion's heir apparent until he changed the law to let Ancalime rule (quite right too).
-Cemendur, great-grandson of Vardamir, and grandfather of Hallacar husband of Ancalime.
-Lindisse, sister of the above.
-Ardamir, brother of the above.

That's, what, seven named characters in the fifth generation? I've got to be honest, I didn't expect anywhere near that many. I'm not at all sure I haven't missed a couple, either.

(Does the tree branch out this much all the way down? I kind of want to look into that at some point...)

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[Urwen]

Nope.



I got the information I am after from Sporcle.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Nope.

I got the information I am after from Sporcle.

Are you saying nope, none of those are that type of cousin, or nope, I didn't find the one you're after?

(Maeglin is her paternal fourth cousin thrice removed, incidentally; I know because I checked that first. )

hS

[Urwen]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Are you saying nope, none of those are that type of cousin, or nope, I didn't find the one you're after?

(Maeglin is her paternal fourth cousin thrice removed, incidentally; I know because I checked that first. )

hS

Well, then Sporcle gave me false information.

You have failed me, Sporcle.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Well, then Sporcle gave me false information.

You have failed me, Sporcle.

Ah, but cousinness isn't reversible. The degree of cousin is based on how far back you have to go for a shared ancestor: first is a shared grandparent, second a shared Great-grandparent, etc. Maeglin's granddad was Fingolfin, who is Arwen's ancestor, but he's Arwen's great-great-great-granddad, hence fourth cousin from her side. (The remove is how many generations apart they are; that stays the same.)

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[Urwen]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Ah, but cousinness isn't reversible. The degree of cousin is based on how far back you have to go for a shared ancestor: first is a shared grandparent, second a shared Great-grandparent, etc. Maeglin's granddad was Fingolfin, who is Arwen's ancestor, but he's Arwen's great-great-great-granddad, hence fourth cousin from her side. (The remove is how many generations apart they are; that stays the same.)

hS

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

So clearly they didn't know that.

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