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Urwen · 06-16-2019, 03:27 AM

Give me nice, warm hints for yours so I can solve yours, and I'll do that for you.

Urwen · 06-16-2019, 03:27 AM

Anyway, the turn is yours.

Pervinca Took · 06-16-2019, 03:36 AM

Just a quick one this time.

It's red and open,
But not sore.

Urwen · 06-16-2019, 03:39 AM

Throat?

Pervinca Took · 06-16-2019, 03:42 AM

It may be just a quick one, but it *is* Tolkien-themed!

Urwen · 06-16-2019, 03:44 AM

The maw of Carcharoth?

Pervinca Took · 06-16-2019, 03:54 AM

Better!

But no, not a maw of any kind.

Urwen · 06-16-2019, 04:06 AM

The house with the red door in the Shire?

Pervinca Took · 06-16-2019, 04:08 AM

I can't think of one of those!

Clever, though.

But not a door.

Think of red things.

Urwen · 06-16-2019, 04:09 AM

Oh, I see. Red book?

Pervinca Took · 06-16-2019, 04:45 AM

Ooooh, that's a good guess! Books can be open, as doors can.

Not what I'm looking for, though.

Now, your last two answers were things in the Shire.

I am thinking of a thing, at a certain time and place. The place *is* actually the Shire, but not for long.

Urwen · 06-16-2019, 04:51 AM

I was so sure it would be Red Book of Westmarch......

Pervinca Took · 06-16-2019, 04:55 AM

Well, the actual answer is pretty cool as well.

Urwen · 06-16-2019, 05:03 AM

I can't think of any other red things which can be opened.....maybe a box of some kind.....

Pervinca Took · 06-16-2019, 05:43 AM

All right, I'll give it to you. It's Sam's emergency can of baked beans.

(Now you know what really kept the Black Riders off ... poo-eeeee!!!) (Sorry, couldn't resist).

No, not really.

It's not a thing that can *be* opened. It is a thing that someone is finally being open *about.*

Urwen · 06-16-2019, 06:47 AM

Narya, the ring of fire. Gandalf wore it openly after Sauron was defeated.

Pervinca Took · 06-16-2019, 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

Narya, the ring of fire. Gandalf wore it openly after Sauron was defeated.

Indeed, and probably for the first time on the way to the Havens, to honour the Ring-Bearers. That is the first (and only) time it's mentioned in LOTR, anyway - when Frodo sees it on Gandalf's hand.

It's also the first time Narya and Vilya are even *named!*

Over to you.

Urwen · 06-16-2019, 07:41 AM

This one plays off Nerwen's latest riddle

Thou shalt guide me
And I shalt be thy guard
And so he spoke
But in the end it was the other way 'round

I was near
I saw it take flight
I shalt be a guard to what I hold dear
He shalt be a guide of my heart

Nerwen · 06-18-2019, 05:28 AM

Well, could this be Merry, referring to Théoden?

Urwen · 06-18-2019, 11:46 AM

When did Theoden say he'll be Merry's guard?

Nerwen · 06-18-2019, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

When did Theoden say he'll be Merry's guard?

Sorry, I'm getting confused as to who is actually being referred to, throughout.

Nerwen · 06-18-2019, 09:48 PM

It's not changing perspective between verses, then?

Urwen · 06-19-2019, 12:36 AM

Nope.

Huinesoron · 06-20-2019, 02:58 AM

It kinda sounds like some combination of Frodo, Sam, and Gollum, but I can't pin them down to specifics.

I wonder whether 'And so he spoke' is necessarily what it sounds like. It could be the speaker of the first two lines - or it could a third party making some kind of speech, as a marker of time.

'I saw it take flight' - what can 'it' be? There's a few flying entities in Middle-earth, but I'm wondering at something like an arrow - or the Ring?

hS

Urwen · 06-20-2019, 03:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

It kinda sounds like some combination of Frodo, Sam, and Gollum, but I can't pin them down to specifics.

I wonder whether 'And so he spoke' is necessarily what it sounds like. It could be the speaker of the first two lines - or it could a third party making some kind of speech, as a marker of time.

'I saw it take flight' - what can 'it' be? There's a few flying entities in Middle-earth, but I'm wondering at something like an arrow - or the Ring?

hS

Arrow is the closest, though there are other similar things that can 'take flight'. 'And so he spoke' does indeed refer to the speaker of first two lines, which are more or less a paraphrase of the book text.

Huinesoron · 06-20-2019, 03:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

Arrow is the closest, though there are other similar things that can 'take flight'.

Of course! The boomerang-flingers of Far Harad!

hS

Urwen · 06-20-2019, 03:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Of course! The boomerang-flingers of Far Harad!

hS

Huinesoron · 06-20-2019, 07:27 AM

Oh, hang on. Is this Aredhel speaking of Maeglin?

"Thou shalt guide me/And I shalt be thy guard" - Maeglin saying 'hey Mum, let's go visit your brother; look, I've nicked Dad's sword!'
And so he spoke
But in the end it was the other way 'round

I was near/I saw it take flight - Aredhel sees Eol throwing his... dart? Oh, it's a javelin. Is this is the only javelin in Middle-earth?
I shalt be a guard to what I hold dear - she's guarding Maeglin's life.
He shalt be a guide of my heart - um... because she loves him?

hS

Urwen · 06-20-2019, 07:47 AM

Yes. and those are the words Maeglin actually sšpoke in the book. *Youćll be my guide, and I'll be your guard.*

And yes, she loves him. Why would she not?

Your turn.

Huinesoron · 06-21-2019, 02:00 AM

Of course she loves him - I just wasn't sure if you were looking for something more specific.

Right, I've put a lot of work, and a lot of research into this one to make it absolutely perfect. Here goes:

9
7

Go for it!

hS

Urwen · 06-21-2019, 03:54 AM

Is it 9 divided by 7?

Either way, makes me think of 9 mannish rings and 7 dwarven rings......and the line could mean One Ring. In other words, the rings is whose making Sauron had a hand, so to speak.

Pervinca Took · 06-21-2019, 04:59 AM

Or:

3 × 3 ships
1 white tree
7 stones (P)alantiri or stars

brought by the Faithful of Numenor to Middle-earth.

Huinesoron · 06-21-2019, 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

Is it 9 divided by 7?

It is not. Find another way of saying it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

Either way, makes me think of 9 mannish rings and 7 dwarven rings......and the line could mean One Ring. In other words, the rings is whose making Sauron had a hand, so to speak.

One of these 3 things is (very nearly) the right reference.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Or:

3 × 3 ships
1 white tree
7 stones (P)alantiri or stars

brought by the Faithful of Numenor to Middle-earth.

That's really good.

Totally wrong, but really good.

hS

Pervinca Took · 06-21-2019, 05:09 AM

If one of Urwen's was nearly right, could it be 'deathlessness?'

9 Ringwraiths
1 Man becomes immortal (Tuor)
7 Durins, one of them 'Deathless?'

Huinesoron · 06-21-2019, 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

If one of Urwen's was nearly right, could it be 'deathlessness?'

9 Ringwraiths
1 Man becomes immortal (Tuor)
7 Durins, one of them 'Deathless?'

9 is the Ringwraiths.

What does the riddle say about them?

hS

Pervinca Took · 06-21-2019, 06:23 AM

You said find another way of saying it.

Nine over seven?

Nine by seven? (Like dy by dx).

The Nine could have been done in by seven if 5 eagles went for them on Mount Doom, Eowyn and Merry being the other 2.

Huinesoron · 06-21-2019, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

You said find another way of saying it.

Nine over seven?

Nine by seven? (Like dy by dx).

The Nine could have been done in by seven if 5 eagles went for them on Mount Doom, Eowyn and Merry being the other 2.

'Nine over seven' is the riddle.

Halfway there!

hS

Pervinca Took · 06-21-2019, 10:32 AM

Did the Nine cross seven bridges, or borders?

Huinesoron · 06-21-2019, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Did the Nine cross seven bridges, or borders?

They crossed seven something, right enough.

Someone else is also said to have crossed the same seven.

Well, not said.

hS

Pervinca Took · 06-21-2019, 11:38 AM

Rivers?

06-16-2019, 03:27 AM	#2881
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Give me nice, warm hints for yours so I can solve yours, and I'll do that for you. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

06-16-2019, 03:27 AM	#2882
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Anyway, the turn is yours. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

06-16-2019, 03:36 AM	#2883
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Just a quick one this time. It's red and open, But not sore. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

06-16-2019, 03:39 AM	#2884
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Throat? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

06-16-2019, 03:42 AM	#2885
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	It may be just a quick one, but it is Tolkien-themed! __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

06-16-2019, 03:44 AM	#2886
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	The maw of Carcharoth? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

06-16-2019, 03:54 AM	#2887
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Better! But no, not a maw of any kind. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

06-16-2019, 04:06 AM	#2888
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	The house with the red door in the Shire? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

06-16-2019, 04:08 AM	#2889
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	I can't think of one of those! Clever, though. But not a door. Think of red things. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

06-16-2019, 04:09 AM	#2890
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Oh, I see. Red book? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

06-16-2019, 04:45 AM	#2891
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Ooooh, that's a good guess! Books can be open, as doors can. Not what I'm looking for, though. Now, your last two answers were things in the Shire. I am thinking of a thing, at a certain time and place. The place is actually the Shire, but not for long. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

06-16-2019, 04:51 AM	#2892
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	I was so sure it would be Red Book of Westmarch...... __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

06-16-2019, 04:55 AM	#2893
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Well, the actual answer is pretty cool as well. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

06-16-2019, 05:03 AM	#2894
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	I can't think of any other red things which can be opened.....maybe a box of some kind..... __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

06-16-2019, 05:43 AM	#2895
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	All right, I'll give it to you. It's Sam's emergency can of baked beans. (Now you know what really kept the Black Riders off ... poo-eeeee!!!) (Sorry, couldn't resist). No, not really. It's not a thing that can be opened. It is a thing that someone is finally being open about. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always." Last edited by Pervinca Took; 06-16-2019 at 06:05 AM.

06-16-2019, 06:47 AM	#2896
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Narya, the ring of fire. Gandalf wore it openly after Sauron was defeated. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

06-16-2019, 07:41 AM	#2898
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	This one plays off Nerwen's latest riddle Thou shalt guide me And I shalt be thy guard And so he spoke But in the end it was the other way 'round I was near I saw it take flight I shalt be a guard to what I hold dear He shalt be a guide of my heart __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

06-18-2019, 05:28 AM	#2899
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	I have been summoned Well, could this be Merry, referring to Théoden? __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

06-18-2019, 11:46 AM	#2900
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	When did Theoden say he'll be Merry's guard? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

06-18-2019, 09:48 PM	#2902
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	It's not changing perspective between verses, then? __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

06-19-2019, 12:36 AM	#2903
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Nope. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

06-20-2019, 02:58 AM	#2904
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,972	It kinda sounds like some combination of Frodo, Sam, and Gollum, but I can't pin them down to specifics. I wonder whether 'And so he spoke' is necessarily what it sounds like. It could be the speaker of the first two lines - or it could a third party making some kind of speech, as a marker of time. 'I saw it take flight' - what can 'it' be? There's a few flying entities in Middle-earth, but I'm wondering at something like an arrow - or the Ring? hS

06-20-2019, 07:27 AM	#2908
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,972	Oh, hang on. Is this Aredhel speaking of Maeglin? "Thou shalt guide me/And I shalt be thy guard" - Maeglin saying 'hey Mum, let's go visit your brother; look, I've nicked Dad's sword!' And so he spoke But in the end it was the other way 'round I was near/I saw it take flight - Aredhel sees Eol throwing his... dart? Oh, it's a javelin. Is this is the only javelin in Middle-earth? I shalt be a guard to what I hold dear - she's guarding Maeglin's life. He shalt be a guide of my heart - um... because she loves him? hS

06-20-2019, 07:47 AM	#2909
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Yes. and those are the words Maeglin actually sšpoke in the book. Youćll be my guide, and I'll be your guard. And yes, she loves him. Why would she not? Your turn. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

06-21-2019, 02:00 AM	#2910
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,972	Of course she loves him - I just wasn't sure if you were looking for something more specific. Right, I've put a lot of work, and a lot of research into this one to make it absolutely perfect. Here goes: 9 7 Go for it! hS

06-21-2019, 03:54 AM	#2911
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Is it 9 divided by 7? Either way, makes me think of 9 mannish rings and 7 dwarven rings......and the line could mean One Ring. In other words, the rings is whose making Sauron had a hand, so to speak. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

06-21-2019, 04:59 AM	#2912
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Or: 3 × 3 ships 1 white tree 7 stones (P)alantiri or stars brought by the Faithful of Numenor to Middle-earth. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

06-21-2019, 05:09 AM	#2914
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	If one of Urwen's was nearly right, could it be 'deathlessness?' 9 Ringwraiths 1 Man becomes immortal (Tuor) 7 Durins, one of them 'Deathless?' __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

06-21-2019, 06:23 AM	#2916
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	You said find another way of saying it. Nine over seven? Nine by seven? (Like dy by dx). The Nine could have been done in by seven if 5 eagles went for them on Mount Doom, Eowyn and Merry being the other 2. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

06-21-2019, 10:32 AM	#2918
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Did the Nine cross seven bridges, or borders? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

06-21-2019, 11:38 AM	#2920
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Rivers? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

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